German Market . . . .

Yawn.

A lot of people don’t realise there is still this infrastructure in our towns as we have got so used to seeing it.

It’s not ‘still’ there, we actively design it in. There was a whole piece on the One Show a while back with a town planner discussing all the various layers of protection built into public spaces.

The other thing is are our intelligence agencies doing a better job than on the continent? There was rumour that the EU are concerned about the lack of communication on intelligence once Brexit happens, as the UK is a big player.

If you can’t link something it’s not even a rumour, it’s fiction.

“I’d be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees”

The Saudis don’t appear particularly keen…

ninfan – Member

…what was the intel that led to this, and was Germany party to that intel?

what was the intel – not sure
was germany party to it – directly, maybe, although the media identifies bomb links and UK suspects, rather than some pan-europe truck driving horror.
Germany are, after all on a high terror alert so indirectly, yes they will have been aware.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/12/counter-terrorim-arrests-made-over-significant-plot-to-attack-uk-isis-

bill oddie – Member

Its a horrible thing but it is too easy to blow this stuff out of proportion and start pointing fingers. Far more likely to be killed or severely injured in an RTA.

Shitting your pants about refugees carrying out attacks is a waste of time.

I’m sure that would be of great comfort to the relatives of the people just murdered. It’s also a stupid comparison. There aren’t groups of people celebrating a road traffic accident. There aren’t groups of people conspiring to carry out another more extreme road traffic accident. People don’t aspire to kill others in a road traffic accident in order to guarantee their place in heaven. It’s entirely plausible that there could be a similar attack on another European city tonight.

Intent matters.

Deaths in Europe from extremism

ETA, IRA, RAF, Neo-Nazi’s. Lone wolf attacks e.g Anders Breivik (killed 77 – 2011). Don’t forget that Europe is perfectly capable of creating its own extremist psychos. (or wars for that matter)

So we don’t need to import any. I wonder how many people ETA, the IRA, and Neo Nazis have killed in the last five years as opposed to Islamists.

freeagent – Member

“I’d be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees”

The Saudis don’t appear particularly keen…[/quote]

They’re far too busy blowing up schools and hospitals with the billions of pounds worth of cutting edge british bombs they’ve acquired over the years. Better leave them alone, the customer is always right.

loddrik – Member

It’s a religion of peace you know….
Indeed it is, Lodders, thanks for pointing that out. Not sure it’s needed when we’re discussing terrorism.

captainsasquatch

Not sure it’s needed when we’re discussing terrorism.

*Islamic* terrorism. Now would be a good time for you to mention that you work with muslims, you haven’t mentioned it in about a week.

Id be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees

Really?

Read the comments section on any news article regarding refugees. Grim.

*Islamic* terrorism. Now would be a good time for you to mention that you work with muslims, you haven’t mentioned it in about a week.

You’ve remembered, why bother?
Have we speculated on which religion is responsible for the Zurich attack on Muslims yet?

TMH Farage is absolutely right. Her leading part in the current security disaster will be her legacy. Brenden Cox is wrong, holding politicians responsible for their gross policy errors is entirely appropriate.

Yes, it might be that one of the 900000 people she saved turned out to be a wrong ‘un. That’s terrible. It doesn’t mean that the act of compassion was wrong, though.

Well it’s a minimum of 4 terrorist killers so far in Germany (never mind the Bataclan terrorists who used the migration to arrive in Northern Europe), one of which had already been in jail in Cyprus for throwing a woman over a sea wall onto rocks and went on to arrive in Germany as a refugee before murdering a 19 year old volunteer. Admitting 1m people with virually no checks

As Stewart says we all want to help refugees, its a matter of how. I struggle to see how people from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Morocco and Tunisia are refugees and unable to return to their own countries and safety.

welshfarmer – Member

jambalaya » ……….
Farage is right to say this disastrous policy will be Merkel’s legacy

Is he? Should try looking at his own legacy[/quote]

Farage is right.

Indeed Farage is right again. The left wont see it though, as usual.

Have we speculated on which religion is responsible for the Zurich attack on Muslims yet?

No we haven’t but I speculate it’s unlikely that the Bible (Old or New Testament) played any role whatsoever. I would speculate he was probably someone of far right political views – someone of German ancestory responding to the Berlin attacks ? Could be wrong of course.

the vast majority, living in a state of perpetual fear,…it’s almost like someone is planning this isn’t it?

someone of German ancestory responding to the Berlin attacks ?

We should obviously start vetting Germans who enter this country, shouldn’t we? That hotbed of terrorism. It seems silly to bang on about Muslims because of a few terrorists and say nothing about the Germans. In all fairness they were pretty bloody quick if that was a response.

Could be wrong of course.

Of course.

“I’d be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees”

How about most Daily Mail readers, UKIP voters, Brexit voters, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and his voters, EDL, BNP (is that still even a thing?) and most London Cabbies?.
How about every member of the UN who wants nothing to do with standing up and helping the people of Aleppo.
How about our fiends, families and neighbours who, despite what they say, secretly want nothing to do with refugees

There are lots of people who want nothing at all to do with refugees.

Whilst on a rant, I will also say that I object to the suggestion that people are wrong to shy away from places like markets as to do so would mean that the terrorists has won.

I am pretty sure that any deranged ISIS terrorist / lone wolf / nutter would regard killing my children as a greater success that me keeping them away from a market for a day. It is difficult to imagine ring leaders sat in a cave in Syria or Saudi or Iraq patting themselves on the back saying ‘Durka Durka, look, franksinatra isn’t going to market, success!’

So please don’t suggest that me keeping my kids away from vulnerable places hands the baddies any sort of victory. It does not. Instead it shows that I am doing what I think is best for my kids.

No alternative solution proposed by Captain Hindsight Farage though. Yes some countries could have done more to help out. The leader he has focused his attention on is the one who was most willing to be compassionate. It was a difficult decision and I could empathize with a call either way.

@ Jambalaya – That wasn’t directed towards the grieving families of the victims, interesting that you thought it was though. I would of thought it fairly obviously wasn’t….unless you are just points scoring and don’t really care about them, but you wouldn’t do that would you?

TMH Farage is absolutely right. Her leading part in the current security disaster will be her legacy.

No he’s not and I doubt it.

But I will not forget how easily we (the UK) turned our back willingly on the plight of those less fortunate than ourselves. Like many things that can be associated with Farage and his ilk, it made me feel ashamed and slightly grubby.

He is the lowest common denominator of politics – in good company at the moment sadly.

captainsasquatch – Member

loddrik – Member

It’s a religion of peace you know….

Indeed it is, Lodders, thanks for pointing that out. Not sure it’s needed when we’re discussing terrorism. [/quote]

I think it is a very valid point to make.

If as many as 1.0% of all Muslims were terrorists then we would almost half a million Muslim terrorists in Europe.

However luckily far more than 99% of Muslims aren’t terrorists, so we only have to deal with a tiny handful of “Muslim terrorists” in Europe.

Which is a fair point to make to the usual and very predictable knuckle-draggers.

Farage is right.

‘Coz Islamaphobia is cool, right?

Farage is right.

‘Coz Islamaphobia is cool, right? [/quote]

No because he welcomes economic migrants like chewkw with open arms.

The word refugee is being thrown around quite a bit. Genuine question…

How many of the 900,00 were actual refugees from Syria and how many were economic migrants from other nations?

There is a difference and it doesn’t seem unreasonable to point it out.

the vast majority, living in a state of perpetual fear

Are they though?

captainsasquatch – Member

Farage is right.

‘Coz Islamaphobia is cool, right? [/quote]

Yes, he is right about Merkel for not checking.

ernie_lynch – Member
No because he welcomes economic migrants like chewkw with open arms.

You point is ?
You lost me there I am afraid. Please explain.

Looking at the location on Apple maps, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this whole thing was simply a case of truck hijack, then going way too fast down a dual carriageway that turned left sharply before the market and the driver simply failed to make the turn. In that case, of course the hijacker, having already killed co-driver, would do a swift exit from the scene.

Rachel

Looking at the location on Apple maps, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this whole thing was simply a case of truck hijack, then going way too fast down a dual carriageway that turned left sharply before the market and the driver simply failed to make the turn. In that case, of course the hijacker, having already killed co-driver, would do a swift exit from the scene.
Rachel

I would be very surprised were this to be the case.

because?

My assessment of probabilities. Merkel is treating it as a terrorist incident. The German refugee situation. It’s a truck full
of steel beams, nothing special as far as cargos go. The driver was brutally murdered. How many times have trucks left the ototrway and hit the marketplace by accident? I’m assuming none or it would be in the news.

And now the Police aren’t even sure if the suspect was the driver. Feel free to carry on with the speculation though.

because?

Because Jamba says different, and incidents like this prove that we should block imigration en masse. He have nothing to fear if it were a simple hijacking.
Let’s just hope the police don’t release any info saying that the Pakistani/Afgan/Libyan, or whatever he is, isn’t really a suspect.
Bring back the death penalty and it’ll stop these innocents from perpetrating crimes.

This terrorist was from Pakistan although he claimed he was Afghan. Pakistan not Syria or Iraq

Been released, insufficient evidence

Been released, insufficient evidence

They’ve missed a trick. He was Pakistani, and no doubt Muslim, what more could they possibly want ?

We prosecuted and convicted random Irishmen when the IRA had a bombing campaign in the UK. It worked a treat in boosting otherwise low public morale.

I think it could have been this fella.

He’s a finger waving Muslim. Eh? Eh?
Where was he lastnight? I don’t know.

jambalaya – Member
TMH Farage is absolutely right.

Literally the whole point of Brendan Cox’s reply was that if politicians should be accountable for their acts then farage and Vote Leave have responsibility toward the hate and division the referendum campaign stirred up- a huge factor in Jo Cox’s murder by a terrorist.

Farage is a shameless **** and a coward.

Literally the whole point of Brendan Cox’s reply was that if politicians should be accountable for their acts then farage and Vote Leave have responsibility toward the hate and division the referendum campaign stirred up- a huge factor in Jo Cox’s murder by a terrorist.
Farage is a shameless **** and a coward.

I imagine that small point will either be:

A. Conveniently ignored.
B. Utterly missed..

The sooner Farage fxxks of to the US, the better.

Confused, didn’t the evidence show us quite clearly that Thomas Mairs preoccupation with far right politics and racism long predate Nigel Farages involvement in politics?

The Southern Policy Law Centre published letters he wrote to white supremacist magazines in 1991 and 1999, whilst there is evidence that he attended BNP meetings as far back as 2000

UKIP wasn’t founded till 1992, and Farage only became UKIP leader in 2006

Of course, one would suspect that inconvenient facts like that will be either:

A. Conveniently ignored.
B. Utterly missed..

Confused, didn’t the evidence show us quite clearly that Thomas Mairs preoccupation with far right politics and racism long predate Nigel Farages involvement in politics?

Confused as he didnt kill anyone until the referendum campaign. You know the thing that pretty much took place due to Farage spooking the Tory leaders.