Farage and Clegg Round two here we go !

Didn’t watch the debate but if Farage promised to send all this European pollution and Saharan sand back where it came from, he gets my vote.

The lefty, hand wringing, tree embracing, back stabber loving, STW big hitters telling me not to.

One thing I don’t understand about the right wing viewpoint is mentioned in the above. ‘Tree embracing’ used as a pejorative statement, as if taking care of the environment is a stupid thing.

I can’t say I understand a worldview that has no respect for nature or our surroundings. Barking mad.

Damn EU, trying to remove transaction/import taxes, allowing people to move about without visas, cracking down on cartels that rip us off, keeping farms running through difficult times, funding business regeneration in our economically devastated ex-mining towns, cracking down on international criminals and terrorists, using collective power to stop China and the USA from smashing up our industries with insane tariffs. Oh, and that little thing about stopping European countries from repeatedly devastating their populations with wars over borders. Damn EU.

The lefty, hand wringing, tree embracing, back stabber loving

You mean people with brains and the ability to use them?

And WTF is a ‘back stabber’?

dazh – Member

And WTF is a ‘back stabber’?

People with brains and the ability to use them

I think derekfish is referring to ed beating dave in the leadership election
derek was obviously a big fan of Tony and/or extraordinary rendition and is sulking that the blairite milliband didnt get to lead the labour party 😀

Sadly I did get taken in by Blair in the ‘it can only get better’ days such a great opportunity wasted by a vacuous idiot manipulated by a mad woman and some evil advisers..

I know he met Thatcher but was she really one of his advisers?

Like Cleggy, JY, you need to read all of that report in which they insist in order to remain they want to see EU reform.

What context is this and who are they?

As to the Motor Industry, you may not have been old enough to spot the distinct lack of British Made cars on French roads

Perhaps I am not wealthy enough to go to France for holidays…perhaps I prefer the surfing here eh DUDE

or the obstacles placed in the way of British manufacturers wishing to market to Europe,

The obstacle was that they were crap and so crap we would not buy them never mind the French.

Clearly the fact that other EU countries make cars shows the EU did not destroy this manufacturing base so it was incorrect to claim this

Sadly I did get taken in by Blair in the ‘it can only get better’ days such a great opportunity wasted by a vacuous idiot manipulated by a mad woman and some evil advisers..

Ah I see, Tony was just a puppet. Well that’s OK then.

Ah right, I thought he was talking about gays for a second 😀

Derek, I too have little liking for Ed Miliband, but that’s mainly because he has proven completely incapable and unwilling to grow a pair of balls and take on the established corporate oligarchy (half measures on energy companies and Rupert Murdoch aside). If your problem is that he is not tory enough like Blair, then I think you’ve been voting for the wrong party.

yS could show videos of Farage v Clegg

BT could show Sturgeon v Lamont

Anyone could show edinburgh v farage and I’d watch it

Jaguar were never crap, Rover had their moments but generally were OK, not to mention Aston, then Range Rover, plenty went to the states why not in equal quantity to Europe? British leyland well you have a point, but back then they were just one. You forget just how many brands we had, there’s no point going over it all again, but the fact is National Commercial protectionism is still as rife today in France and Germany as it was back then.

As to the other thing you fail to realise as to why the multinational car company owners are so keen to stay here is because of our ‘flexible’ labour laws, no 6 month, 12 month or zero hour contracts in France or Germany.

I had never voted Tory in my life until the Clegg involvement with the Libdems and the Gordon Brown tenure with Labour, but by then it was already broken and i was stupid enough to think maybe a dose of Tories might fix the opposition, it didn’t and now we have total disenfranchisement of my class, which is the self employed new working poor and sadly the only person who seems to be making the right noises is Farage.

Here, this was who I supported, back in the day. a fine mess it is now.

National Commercial protectionism is still as rife today in France and Germany as it was back then.

I’m not buying this. As others have said, the answers as to why Germany and France still have successful automotive industries are probably because they made conscious decisions and policies to support them through R&D, tax incentives, training, labour protection laws, and constructive industrial relations. Of course it’s much easier for us to accuse them of fixing the market, but then when have the hubristic British ever been good at admitting that they were either second best at something or that they completely ballsed it up when they had the chance of doing something similar?

And even if it were true, how are you going to stop them if you’re not at the table when they’re setting European trade policies? The alternative is something much darker and threatening than a german speaking bureaucrat waving a bit of paper.

the fact is National Commercial protectionism is still as rife today in France and Germany as it was back then.

Repeating a fabrication does not make it true
Please present some evidence for this statement both for then and now

HoratioHufnagel – Member

What would happen if we redefined countries as groups of people who share the same ideals, rather than groups of people who happened to be born in the same place?

Farage can have all the little englanders to create their own backwards paradise with no foreign people, no equal rights for women or gay people, no cycling allowed, no NHS, double the size of the army, no ugly windfarms (to be replaced by coal), virtually no welfare system, no belief in man-made climate change (even Daily Mail and Telegraph now agree on that ) and all of the wealth in the hands of the top 0.0001%.

i’d check all this by reading their policies, but they’ve deleted them off their website, replaced by a list of populist “issues”.That’s excellent.
It means you can spout BS about your misconceptions of the “Racist Party”

How dare they insist kittens be murdered.
Wait, they don’t want kittens to be murdered!? Well they should want that ‘cos they’re bastards, right!? 🙄

I don’t like career politicians with their PR machine spinning non-stop but rather prefer a straight talker.

Junkyard – lazarus
the fact is National Commercial protectionism is still as rife today in France and Germany as it was back then.

Repeating a fabrication does not make it true
Please present some evidence for this statement both for then and now

Go, try and set up an ebay account to sell your bike in Germany.

Try and start a trade exhibition for whatever sector you are in, in Germany.

You can use your UK ebay account to sell bikes across the whole of Europe (or the world for that matter) ebay expects you to open an account in your country of residence. Thats not EU rules or German protectionism preventing you.

Which German law prevents you from putting on an Exhibition there?

derekfish – Member

I started life politically on the far left……………… and I ended up SDP

Oh the classic stereotypical middle-class transient revolutionary ……. I love it !

😀

MSP – Member

Which German law prevents you from putting on an Exhibition there?

Here have a butchers at this Go to the bit about Mercantile trader, then the Mercantile Register.

It’s the usual catch 22 scenario you can’t be a trader unless you’re on the register, but you can’t be on the register unless you are a trader, which requires hoops to be jumped through, meanwhile a German Company will set up whatever it is your trying to do, then another law cuts in which persuades the companies you are trying to attract to your ‘show’ that since the German National is now offering the same thing, then that show should be favoured.

+1 for derekfish, particularly his earlier posts, before the usual massed ranks of the hand-wringing, liberal left STW contingent turned up! 🙂

Ah, you mean regulations which expect certain trades to have certain qualifications, same as the UK has corgi regs and NICEIC registered electricians.

They have to prove that the local requirements are specific and that another equivalent qualification from another nation is not suitable. I can see that it this has been a problem in the past, and may still be entrenched into some peoples mindsets. Thankfully the good old EU is clamping down on this, and if you come across such restrictive practices you should report it.

It was even quite some time ago that Germany was forced to accept beers brewed in other countries that don’t meet the old purity laws. The EU forced them to change, and if they can get them to back down on that. then all hail the EU.

I don’t understand why people have to become far left or right completely. You don’t have to stick to a particular ideology you know. Mixed and match them as non are actually perfect. Common sense must prevail otherwise we are just going to be slaved to crazy thinking. 🙄

MSP – Member
Ah, you mean regulations which expect certain trades to have certain qualifications, same as the UK has corgi regs and NICEIC registered electricians.

They have to prove that the local requirements are specific and that another equivalent qualification from another nation is not suitable. I can see that it this has been a problem in the past, and may still be entrenched into some peoples mindsets. Thankfully the good old EU is clamping down on this, and if you come across such restrictive practices you should report it.

It was even quite some time ago that Germany was forced to accept beers brewed in other countries that don’t meet the old purity laws. The EU forced them to change, and if they can get them to back down on that. then all hail the EU.

This isn’t fitting gas or electrical, neither is setting up a car distribution franchise, Exhibition organisation is largely unregulated, even in Germany, unless of course you are not German, it’s not just exhibitions it’s whole rafts of protectionism that theoretically the Single market was to have swept away, but didn’t and now time has moved on, globalisation not to mention the internet other than pressure that gets applied by German companies, I could go on with other instances of their actions to support the Euro, keeping prices here artificially high, even when purchasing far eastern based manufactured finished goods.

Now and again you folk should accept that there are some of us that are not here just for the sake of a Junkyard style argument purely for the sake of it and just want to explain the realities, but like Clegg your politically motivated minds (God knows why, are you all card carrying trotskyites?)refuse to accept genuine albeit anecdotal proof, these things really happen, they have happened to me and my friends who have tried to trade with Europe against the grain (The grain being they ship to us).

Whatever, I am going to get such a warm feeling when good old Nigel is downing a pint or two after slam dunking Clegg in the May Elections, and I’ll be like Arnie to gloat here I’m fairly sure..

Just for the record though, who are you in all conscience going to vote for then?

For Liberal Democrat insert STW. 😉

I don’t believe in EU or EURO. 😆

I don’t need Farage to tell me that but I like the way he speaks to the eurocrats in their face. Good entertainment that.

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For Liberal Democrat insert STW

Please don’t encourage them, I’m already tired of their predictable response to any discussion. 🙂

This isn’t fitting gas or electrical, neither is setting up a car distribution franchise, Exhibition organisation is largely unregulated, even in Germany, unless of course you are not German, it’s not just exhibitions it’s whole rafts of protectionism that theoretically the Single market was to have swept away, but didn’t and now time has moved on, globalisation not to mention the internet other than pressure that gets applied by German companies, I could go on with other instances of their actions to support the Euro, keeping prices here artificially high, even when purchasing far eastern based manufactured finished goods.

Now and again you folk should accept that there are some of us that are not here just for the sake of a Junkyard style argument purely for the sake of it and just want to explain the realities, but like Clegg your politically motivated minds (God knows why, are you all card carrying trotskyites?)refuse to accept genuine albeit anecdotal proof, these things really happen, they have happened to me and my friends who have tried to trade with Europe against the grain (The grain being they ship to us).

Whatever, I am going to get such a warm feeling when good old Nigel is downing a pint or two after slam dunking Clegg in the May Elections, and I’ll be like Arnie to gloat here I’m fairly sure..

Just for the record though, who are you in all conscience going to vote for then?

Ah so the law you posted was completely unrelated to your claims, well done on presenting a pointless argument while claiming that you are not here for an argument 🙄

You have still to back up any of your claims with any evidence, instead just resorting to name calling. Basically you are exactly what Farage wants as a core supporter. You will just blame anything and everything on “Johny foreigner” without any thought or perspective to reality.

Please don’t encourage them, I’m already tired of their predictable response to any discussion.

I can see how evidence might bore the xenophobes, who would rather just spew nonsense.

No, the law was what ‘they’ cited in their objections, you don’t really read much if it gets in the way of your dogma do you? It’s actually not an argument from where I’m seated, I’m just presenting a view backed by real world experience of dealing with Europe, take or leave what you will from it. Reeling out leftist or pro EU bollox isn’t actually going to change anything that has happened to me now is it?

haha “my dogma” I LOLed

No, the law was what ‘they’ cited in their objections, you don’t really read much if it gets in the way of your dogma do you?

Well you haven’t actually written what happened in your imaginary world experience or who are they? The lizard people?

You just keep making these claims of protectionism no specific evidence to back it up, no matter how much you are asked for it. If your claims are based on reality, the way you are coming across it just sounds like you were unable to deal with trading in another country, and you want to blame them for you own failings.

You know what? The more you go on, the more I’m beginning to believe it was Gay Marriage that brought all that bad weather recently, not to mention this air pollution, and that is going to influence my vote come May. 😉

chewkw – Member

I don’t need Farage to tell me that but I like the way he speaks to the eurocrats in their face. Good entertainment that.

Yeah but the thing is, while he’s doing that, he’s supposed to be representing the people that elected him. Instead of actually doing his job he uses his platform to grandstand and mock while achieving nothing at all. It can be amusing to watch but it’s a slap in the face to his voters. Or it would be, except they see him doing it and think “Right on nige, you give em what for” because they mistake words for actions.

p8ddy – Member

One thing I don’t understand about the right wing viewpoint is mentioned in the above. ‘Tree embracing’ used as a pejorative statement, as if taking care of the environment is a stupid thing.

It’s like “do gooder”. You scumbag, you did some good!

Northwind – Member

chewkw – Member

I don’t need Farage to tell me that but I like the way he speaks to the eurocrats in their face. Good entertainment that.

Yeah but the thing is, while he’s doing that, he’s supposed to be representing the people that elected him. Instead of actually doing his job he uses his platform to grandstand and mock while achieving nothing at all. It can be amusing to watch but it’s a slap in the face to his voters. Or it would be, except they see him doing it and think “Right on nige, you give em what for” because they mistake words for actions.

Unfortunately, everyone knows the fact is that there is nothing he can do really as a lone ranger hence his way of mocking the system is perfectly accepted and entertaining. I think he is just be a realist here.

He knows (we/I know) he is facing zombie maggot bureaucrats alone so why not make the best out of it since nothing he says is going to make an impact at all. Be himself and fire away. I would do the same but I may perhaps say “Your mama Mr/Ms Zombie Maggot Bureaucrat …”.

The only way he can make an impact is to rely on (or to make) the British public to wake up to the fact they are zombie walking into bureaucratic maggot system.

Perhaps he can force a vote/referendum to get out from the zombie maggot system. Any govt that fails to do so will be deselected etc … Which I hope will gather momentum as time goes by and hopefully one day we are out to take charge of our own lives again.

What? I hear standardisation coming from the EU/EURO camp etc. What? You cannot cope with others’ standard? If you want to survive in business then adopt rather than whinging all the time. If you don’t want to invest in UK other will and I am definite that the world is not restricted to few countries only. Standardisation? … what a lot of zombie maggot brain residual.

You/we are already half way through our evolution into zombie maggot species so why the hurry to make it an even worst by joining the EU zombie maggot system? Greater number in zombie maggot strength? (you do know zombie maggot is used as target practice for Benelli M4 ya?)

🙄

He’s not a “lone ranger” though, there are other euroskeptics, he chooses not to work with them either. Basically he’s embraced the whole process and become a part of the system he claims to hate, and helps to keep the whole system chugging along nicely.

The brain of an anti those foreign chaps UKIP supporter.

Graeme, Graeme, Graeme. Here winding up the singletrackers again? How many posts before you admit you were just on another troll-fest?

Northwind – Member

He’s not a “lone ranger” though, there are other euroskeptics, he chooses not to work with them either. Basically he’s embraced the whole process and become a part of the system he claims to hate.

Either way it is a win win for his personal profile and that is what most politicians tend to do. The EU zombie maggot system is a platform for him to improve his own profile while the system itself is slowly evolving to infect the globe with stronger zombie maggot disease. (Big EU zombie maggot is not beautiful but can only be beautiful if I am the zombie maggot overlord. 😈 ) The self interest is there for everyone to see and if we sleep walk into this disease then we are ready to be harvested by Bennelli M4.

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MSP – Member

The brain of an anti those foreign chaps UKIP supporter.

I am an alien zombie maggot no doubt about that and I do admit some of their supporters do have zombie maggot brains with bad infestation. But make no mistake ( 😆 a phrase commonly used by a presidential dude) if they think all foreign zombie maggots are easy walk over they need to think twice for sure. (a favourite of certain F1 drivers).

I love that diagram of the “socialist brain” derekfish !

I know it’s American but the tiny “sense of humor cell” is so true also of British lefties. The smallest part of the brain, that’s hilarious !!! 😀

I can’t think of one single left-wing/liberal comedian – can you ? And yet Britain is spoilt for choice when it comes to hugely successful right-wing comic geniuses such as Jim Davidson.

Yep ……. I’ve never met a leftie with a sense of humour.

Roy Chubby Brown – he’s good too. Would probably go down well at a UKIP convention.

these things really happen, they have happened to me and my friends

What things? Can we have some specific examples with a little detail? It’s all very vague.