F1 2021 – spoilers here

Daffy
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Well aware of this. Still of the same opinion.

So your response to a gross injustice would be to support those guilty of visiting that injustice upon you? All for the sake of looking classy? Interesting.

I prefer people with principles and convictions that you can hold them to rather than those who bow to others perception of them.

Each to their own.

But if you base your behavioural compass on what the FIA/RB/Max have done, isn’t that the polar opposite of “classy”? To me, honouring the agreement to appear that he signed up to at the beginning of the season, and ignoring the issue of other people’s behaviour is pretty classy.

There’s no right or wrong I guess. As you say, each to their own. 🙂

Hamilton is also obviously forgetting that in Imola he crashed into the gravel trap and was a lap down until Bottas also crashed and the safety car came out which allowed Hamilton to catch up and get second place

You don’t get it do you. Nobody’s complaining about there being a safety car, or Max getting a ‘free’ pit stop for new tyres, or the gap Lewis had built up getting wiped out, or anything else that happened that normally happens under a SC. All that is part of F1, sometimes it goes for you, sometimes against.

The issue in Abu Dhabi is that everyone made strategic decisions based on the well established SC rules as prescribed by the regulations. And then Masi deviated from the two regulations that dictate what happens once the danger has been removed, in both cases giving an advantage to Verstappen that he would not have had if the regulations had been followed. Like they are every other time.

If Latifi had crashed two laps earlier, and the hazard cleared in the same time, the normal process would have been followed and you’d have had one or two laps to go with Verstappen right back up behind Hamilton. And that would have been fine. Unlucky, frustrating and bitterly disappointing for Hamilton, sure, but also fair and in accordance with the rules. So they’d have had nothing to complain about, it would have been a 100% legitimate victory for Max based only upon ability, strategy and fate. As it was, Masi did not apply the rules correctly, but instead misapplied them – knowingly, as his post race comments from Eisel confirm – in such a way to give a massive advantage to Verstappen.

Don’t feed the troll!!

Hamilton is also obviously forgetting that in Imola he crashed into the gravel trap and was a lap down until Bottas also crashed and the safety car came out which allowed Hamilton to catch up and get second place

You don’t get it do you

I know! It’s so weird what happened I can’t help thinking it’s some sort of betting scam or he’s been paid/persuaded to make Max win if the opportunity came about.

The conditions were so specific that I really can’t imagine that any sort of pre-meditation can be suspected. Masi was under pressure, got grief off both teams, felt the burden of past indecision and made a bad call, IMHO. Was Latifi bribed to throw it off the island with 5 to go so Masi could engineer the W? No chance.

How did Latifi actually crash? Can anyone post the footage so we can start a conspiracy theory about how he did it on purpose.

There must be some weird movements or something….

The conditions were so specific that I really can’t imagine that any sort of pre-meditation can be suspected. Masi was under pressure, got grief off both teams, felt the burden of past indecision and made a bad call

Exactly. He made a mistake. The problem is that the FIA cannot admit that it was a mistake.

How did Latifi actually crash? Can anyone post the footage so we can start a conspiracy theory about how he did it on purpose.

From memory he’d gone off line and picked up a bunch of dirt on his tires then binned it at the next corner

How did Latifi actually crash? Can anyone post the footage so we can start a conspiracy theory about how he did it on purpose.

Latifi was fighting for track position with Schumacher, he went off the track after wheels touched and picked up debris: Here.

Schumacher

The same guy that wants to preserve his Dad’s legacy? Makes you think…

That legacy was NEVER about supporting anyone else… 😉

Makes you think…

It’s harder to make me think than most people expect.

Did anyone lose a theoretical chance of improving their championship position or the constructors position due to the safety car fiasco? Anyone behind Verstappen who had been lapped (and subsequently not allowed to unlap) didn’t have the opportunity to gain places on the cars who did unlap themselves. Then there was the issue of blue flags for unlapped cars behind Verstappen.

Did anyone lose a theoretical chance of improving their championship position or the constructors position due to the safety car fiasco?

Don’t think so—I think the only drivers/teams that close on points were Leclerc and Norris, but they had the two Alpines between them on track. So it was only about the race result for everyone else. If I were Sainz I think I’d have been a bit more vocal about having been denied the opportunity of going for second or first. Conversely, Bottas probably wishes he’d had a few backmarkers holding station behind him 😉

I see Bernie’s dissed Toto and Lewis, so that must mean they’re doing something right.

Ecclestone criticises Hamilton and Wolff over FIA championship awards absence

Has anyone published Jacques Villeneuve’s hot take yet? I expect that’d be good comedy value.

So Mohammed Ben Sulayem is the new FIA president – wonder what he’ll bring to the role as, compared to Mosely, Todt was most noteable for his silence. The FIA President has a pretty broad remit and I think Max was too close to the management of F1, but as an incoming president I’d certainly want to spin up the PR machine to improve the public image of F1 at the moment.

What a way to start your tenure…🙄….

Classic. Asked to clarify whether he was saying Hamilton would be penalised for not attending the gala, he said: “Forgiveness is always there. “But rules are rules“.

You couldn’t make this crap up.

I bet Toto wishes he had gone ahead with the appeal now!

Wow what a muppet, it would have quite happily faded from the news cycle but he’s just stoked the fire again. I guess there’s just more political games going on behind the scenes.

Ben Sulayem said Bernie Ecclestone had not been involved other than to introduce the pair

Hahahhahahahahhahaaaa good one (about Bernie’s wife being made a VP)

I’m backing the Mercedes’ lawyers over the FIAs any day of the week. That quote won’t age well.

Read the fricking room! How can anyone be so tone deaf.

I could see Lewis quitting if they fined him…or even reprimanded him

Aside from the total lack of self-awareness over the “rules is rules” comment, when you have to start denying that Bernie’s had his fingers in your pie on your first day in the job then basically you’ve f**ked it.

Bernie’s had his fingers in your pie

Eeewwww 🤢

What’s that a reference to? Missed that story

Ah, the man who spent many years running F1 with the son of Britain’s most famous fascist… nothing unexpected (and to be fair, Bernie has always had this view of knighthoods), but it’s not a great look for the sport.

Ex @F1 chief Bernie Ecclestone on @LewisHamilton’s knighthood: “Only people who have really done something for the country should be knighted.”

The same tool who mocked Hamilton’s BLM support and said racists at the track in black face were just joking.https://t.co/a5TTDeyIzF

— Omid Scobie (@scobie) December 17, 2021

Those grapes appear somewhat sour.

Article 6.6 of F1’s Sporting Regulations states: “The drivers finishing first, second and third in the Championship must be present at the annual FIA Prize Giving ceremony.”

Doesn’t say which Championship though 🙂 ‘The’ Championship could be any if you fail to apply any context to any previous statements, clauses, or decide to interpret the rules in a different manner to previously or consider the conduct of the past 50 previous iterations of the same event 🙂 Easy get out I would think, and I assume Merc would just say it’s a ‘misunderstanding’ by the FIA.

Article 6.6 of F1’s Sporting Regulations states

But I’m with you on making every effort to work it up the FIA

But I’m with you on making every effort to work it up the FIA

Posted 4 minutes ago

I assume in reality at some point in the regulations it will clarify that the term ‘the championship’ means ‘the F1 championship’ but as I say, ignoring everything else in the regs, as the FIA/stewards/race director have in their interpretation, then we have ‘the’ meaning ‘any’ championship, and applying further knowledge we have gained, we also know that ‘any’ doesn’t mean ‘all’. Confusing myself now 🙂

It says F1 in what you quoted 😀

It probably defines the championship, but maybe it doesn’t say which annual FIA Prize Giving ceremony? 🙂

Doesn’t define the year of the championship, does it? Let’s assume it means 2013 🙂

Doesn’t define the year of the championship, does it? Let’s assume it means 2013 🙂

Likes 👍

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2021_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_5_-_2020-12-16.pdf

1.2 These Sporting Regulations apply to the whole calendar year referred to in the title, and to the
Championship taking place within that calendar year (“the Championship”). Any changes made
by the FIA for safety reasons may come into effect without notice or delay

Doesn’t he say there both can and can’t be forgiveness? Clear as mud.

“I will forgive anything. But Christian has told me that doesn’t mean I will forgive all the things.”

That rainbow helmet has come back to haunt Lewis…

Mercedes have trapped the FIA into saying ‘rules are rules’ and will quote that back to them in the context of Masi not following them.

The rules can be open to interpretation but Masi is on record earlier this year saying All cars should unlap themselves under safety car, opposing the word “any” that is stated in the rules, so he knows full well he broke his own interpretation/understanding of the rules, the race would have then finished under safety car.
Hamilton would have been better off behind Verstappen on new rubber instead of being a total sitting duck.

Interesting listening to the conversations of the drivers and pit walls of the affected cars. It’s clear that everybody 1. understands the rules are being changed on the fly, and that 2. lots of the drivers are really clear that it’s being manipulated (not just Hamilton)

I’ll not say that he has to go, but I don’t see how Masi can stay in his job frankly, I doubt the teams or drivers have either respect of confidence left.

The key thing is whether they need to protect Masi because, if they throw him under the bus, he is likely to say that conversations with FIA higher-ups about delivering an entertaining conclusion to the season influenced his decision-making during the race.