F1 2020 (spoilers abound)

how long before they appeal? 3…..2…..1…..

15 points and 400K for the brake ducts – how much for the rest of the car?

I hope they have replacement parts ready to fit…

Car is legal, so they can run it as is, it’s just how they came to to design that Has attracted attention

I hope they have replacement parts ready to fit…

Racing Point have broken sporting regulations, not technical regulations. So the cars can run as is.

Mercedes admitted they had supplied information about the front and rear brake ducts of their 2019 car, but this was allowed because these were not listed parts at the time.

The FIA decided that the front brake ducts of the Racing Point were legal as, although they had been copied from Mercedes, they had been used on the 2019 car.

But a rule change between 2019 and 2020 added brake ducts to the category of so-called “listed parts” that teams have to design themselves.

Stewards found that Racing Point had used computer design data legally supplied by Mercedes to Racing Point in 2019 to design their rear brake ducts with “minimal changes” and fit them to their 2020 car.

As the parts had not been used on the 2019 car, they were not permitted to be used in 2020, because they were a Mercedes design, not Racing Point’s, and had not been an integral part of last year’s car.

The FIA said that had Racing Point asked whether they could use the 2019 Mercedes rear brake ducts on their car this year, they would have been told they could not. But they did not ask whether this was allowed.

so if they’d used the rear ducts last year, it would be OK?

As I understand it, they were allowed to buy brake ducts until this year, so they were using the Merc ones last year. They obviously copied them, the question is how they went about it – did they look at them and then try to recreate the function without making an exact copy or did they just measure them up and reproduce them exactly?

The rest of the car was copied by taking photos to get the general layout and proportions. However, they would have had to test everything in the windtunnel and tweak it, so the two cars are probably very similar rather than actually being identical in any way.

Edit: much better explanation above.

Hulkenberg was fourth fastest in practice this morning.

It would be an absolute fairytale result this weekend would be for him to win that elusive podium.

how long before they appeal? 3…..2…..1….

Horner reckons Renault will appeal cos the punishment is too lenient

loving that! Get in, Hulk!

Good grid as well, Gasly ahead of albon 👀

Hulk’s CV looking good.
Vettel’s CV not looking good.
Renault seem to have figured out their car. Looking hopeful for Alonso next year, won’t be able to battle the Mercs, but Alonso vs Verstappen, Leclerc, Sainz, and Norris in the midfield should be excellent.

Totally Hulktastic.

Great Q3 from the Hulk!

Hulk to Racing Point next year Vettel to leave F1 will be the new prediction lol

I don’t get the love for Hulkenberg….seems to me he’s a mediocre mid-pack driver who stayed around way too long

Who after driving a car for about 2 hours total after being ways from the sport with all its difference in between put it in 3rd place?   I’d say that’s pretty commendable…

I don’t get the love for Hulkenberg….seems to me he’s a mediocre mid-pack driver who stayed around way too long

One last day in the sun and he’s making the most.

Why are they all where masks outside and observing 2ms distancing? What’s the point they are trying to make?

Why are they all where masks outside and observing 2ms distancing? What’s the point they are trying to make?

Because they’re responsible and trying not to be like the **** who think everything is hunky dory now?

Who after driving a car for about 2 hours total after being ways from the sport with all its difference in between put it in 3rd place?

Yeah but in f1 since 2010, no podium, never picked up by a top team, just trundles around in the middle. Waste of a seat.

Yeah but in f1 since 2010, no podium, never picked up by a top team, just trundles around in the middle. Waste of a seat.

Being a consistently good driver is a waste of a seat? Stroll is a waste of a seat.

Being a consistently good driver is a waste of a seat? Stroll is a waste of a seat.

He isn’t constantly good though, he is constantly average at best. A persistent bottler who was always overlooked by the main players.

I don’t get the love for Hulkenberg….seems to me he’s a mediocre mid-pack driver who stayed around way too long

I think he’s generally recognized as a decent driver, often fairly quick, but never quite managed to reach the podium due to bad luck and mistakes on his own part. His qualifying performance was impressive, that’s why he’s getting all the love today.

He isn’t constantly good though, he is constantly average at best. A persistent bottler who was always overlooked by the main players.

Who would you have put in the seat?

Enjoyed that, great drive by Max wonder what’s going on with the merc, temperature related i guess.

Savouring the ferrari/vettel shitstorm that’s brewing 😁

Bottas sounded like a broken man in the interviews 🙁

something really fishy about the merc tyre choice, they could have quite comfortably qualified on the hard tyre (horners jaw is still scrapping on the ground after Bottas banged in a 15 dead on it last week) and went instead on a tyre they disregarded (and didn’t use last week in the race) as a race tyre in more adverse conditions and used it to start, most bizarre.

LH walking off with P1 trophy

Really?!! Wow. Shades of Vettel there.

Really?!! Wow. Shades of Vettel there.

Reported.

Not allowed to post negative comments about Hamilton here. Not even about his rap career

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really

Ha ha!
He’d have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for that pesky kid!

Savouring the ferrari/vettel shitstorm that’s brewing 😁

The radio comment from Vettel telling his team they’d screwed up putting him back in traffic. I SO wanted the reply to be that he wouldn’t be there if he’d managed to start without spinning it…

something really fishy about the merc tyre choice, they could have quite comfortably qualified on the hard tyre (horners jaw is still scrapping on the ground after Bottas banged in a 15 dead on it last week) and went instead on a tyre they disregarded (and didn’t use last week in the race) as a race tyre in more adverse conditions and used it to start, most bizarre.

Pirelli supplied tyres that are one step softer this week

Pirelli supplied tyres that are one step softer this week

yes I know, merc ran medium in quali 2 (and were still 1 sec faster than the competition) last week which was the hard this week. The medium this week which they ran in quali 2 (and hence their start tire) was considered last week to be an unsuitable race tyre.

Different minimum tyre pressure rules from Pirelli this week.

surely that just changes everyones times up or down. relative times should remain pretty similar.

Tyre wear will depend on downforce. Mercedes, because they have the most powerful engine were carrying a lot more of it than either Red Bull or Ferrari. Coupled with the higher pressures and track temperatures, this will put high strain on the centre of the tyre at the rear and the inside edge on the fronts.

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surely that just changes everyones times up or down. relative times should remain pretty similar

Softer tyre = more sidewalL movement = more heat = more blisters

Softer tyre = more sidewalL movement = more heat = more blisters

exactly, so why did mercs run last weeks softest compound tire in quali 2 this week ? when they had a second over the pack running the harder compound.

exactly, so why did mercs run last weeks softest compound tire in quali 2 this week ? when they had a second over the pack running the harder compound

They thought they’d have pulled out half a pit stops gap in the time it took for that to go off then run hard/hard to the end.   But that didn’t account for max – or everyone else – being as close to them as he was.  So, this weeks medium / last weeks soft was a disaster which went away even sooner than expected, and max tyres lasted much longer than Mercs to compound the issue.

Then even worse, the hard performed even worse than their expectations.  What they expected in stint two was the pace Lewis had at the end of the race, but that didn’t materialise

Apparently Merc ran lower downforce to avoid overloading the tyres like last weekend, but that made the car slide more. The higher tyre pressures meant the middle of the tread was overheating, plus the thicker tread on new tyres retains heat more. They also adjusted the setup to try to avoid overloading the front tyres, but that just made the rear tyres overheat instead. The Red Bull was easier on tyres, so Max could push hard right after his pitstops, whereas the Mercs just blistered their tyres when they tried to match him. It says a lot that finishing 2nd and 3rd is seen as a disaster.

^ That makes sense