EU Referendum – are you in or out?

There are 11 net contributors to the EU budget, out of 27 countries I think that’s disgusting and that’s why I voted out…. Nothing about racism, immigration etc just the simple fact that 16 countries are a drain.

Source:
http://english.eu.dk/en/faq/faq/net_contribution

Aren’t the EU just going to give the UK a bum deal. May has said she’d rather walk away with no deal. Surely it’s in the EU’s favour to let the UK walk out without a deal?

What then? Leaving the EU is supposed to benefit the country.. How will leaving with no deal benefit the UK?

deviant I see you fallen for the basic brexie error of scapegoating the EU for the failings of our own government.
Brexit secretary Davis said last week before MPs that he doesnt expect immigration to fall after brexit, its almost as if youve been lied too…….

Skilled migrants? Welcome here all day long, families with no skills or intention to work can be turned back please.

Skilled migrants? Welcome here all day long, families with no skills or intention to work can be turned back please

How does that match the skills shortage?

population discontent and the rise of far right parties…

Yes good work Deviant, summed up the UK as it currently stands, UKIP and the swivel eyed loons of May and the rest of them.

What then? Leaving the EU is supposed to benefit the country.. How will leaving with no deal benefit the UK?

Because we’ll take our German based military with us and our intelligence services that the EU rely on….. Scary thought for Merkel with Putin on her doorstep.

Theres more than one way to skin a cat, like in said earlier this will get ugly…..they need our contributions, our Intel and our military.
They are strong bargaining tools.

There are 11 net contributors to the EU budget, out of 27 countries I think that’s disgusting and that’s why I voted out…. Nothing about racism, immigration etc just the simple fact that 16 countries are a drain.

Presumably you’d also want Wales, Scotland and NI out too – or infact, everywhere but the South East?

But taking back our military and Intel won’t help anyone..

How will walking away with nothing help the UK?

For Deviant: Reducing the supply of low skilled labour will result in more investment in automation. It has to. This may well, and should, mean fewer low skilled jobs, but it won’t help those who are only up for doing low skilled jobs. I can’t see them earning more, beyond trying to keep up with a rising cost of living.

Because we’ll take our German based military with us and our intelligence services that the EU rely on….. Scary thought for Merkel with Putin on her doorstep.

😯 Through the looking glass now! So you’re willing to risk the destabilisation of Europe and the expansion of a corrupt, kleptorcratic and authoritarian state to win some bargaining chips in a trade dispute? Are you completely unhinged?

There are 11 net contributors to the EU budget, out of 27 countries I think that’s disgusting and that’s why I voted out…. Nothing about racism, immigration etc just the simple fact that 16 countries are a drain.

it’s even worse here. Out of 12 UK regions, there are only 2 net contributors!!!!111

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossvalueaddedgva/bulletins/regionalgrossvalueaddedincomeapproach/december2016

Genuine question: why is it ok when Scotland or Yorkshire needs support but not Slovakia?

like in said earlier this will get ugly…..

How stupid you’d have to be to vote for things ‘getting ugly’ eh? 😕

There are 11 net contributors to the EU budget, out of 27 countries

If there were 27 net contributors then the EU would be sitting on an ever growing cash mountain. They have to *spend* the contributions somewhere.

What then? Leaving the EU is supposed to benefit the country.. How will leaving with no deal benefit the UK?

We will be in control. REJOICE.

Genuine question: why is it ok when Scotland or Yorkshire needs support but not Slovakia?

I’ve had a sudden premonition of what’s going to be next on the agenda for the South East based. Tory Right Lunatic element once this whole Brexit thing is out of the way ….

I’ve had a sudden premonition of what’s going to be next on the agenda for the South East based Tory Right Lunatic Fringe once this whole Brexit thing is out of the way ….

I really, really need to move out of Surrey.

kimbers – Member

deviant I see you fallen for the basic brexie error of scapegoating the EU for the failings of our own government.

Two posts earlier:

kimbers – Member

good job that germanys doing so well, that must really upset all the EU haters

😆

Futile thread is futile.

elliptic – Member

If there were 27 net contributors then the EU would be sitting on an ever growing cash mountain. They have to *spend* the contributions somewhere.

Low tax wages for EU staff and cushty pensions? 🙂

Futile thread is futile

Yet you can any keep away….

TBF i have no clue what point you are trying to make tho sbob

Sorry, thought it was obvious.
It amused me that in one post you’re saying a country’s failings aren’t because of the EU, yet the post you wrote just before alluded to another country’s success being because of the EU.

🙂

I am sure the world can then refuse to supply nuclear fuel as no legal framework, i am sure they can refuse to sell military spares, remind me where are Typhoons made? How about blocking access to all European satellites etc etc etc.

No winners.

I suppose we could just start a nuclear war with France just to be sure that there are no winners?

sbob, no real contradiction, the UK is richer than it was because of the EU, but Germany has been far better. That Germany has done better points to the Germans using the EU better than the UK*

*which when the UK has tended to use the EU as a whipping post isn’t hard.

are we all done yet?

no.

a mere 100,000 London jobs in Euro clearing? more double that with the ripple effect.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/uk-jobs-merkel-juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit

families with no skills or intention to work can be turned back please

Isn’t this what Germany does? Despite being in the EU?

There are 11 net contributors to the EU budget, out of 27 countries I think that’s disgusting and that’s why I voted out

How much do you earn? Are you a net contributor to the UK economy? I am. Should I find all those who are net recipients disgusting?

Should I find all those who are net recipients disgusting?

I think the general idea is that you should, yes. 🙂

There are 11 net contributors to the EU budget, out of 27 countries I think that’s disgusting and that’s why I voted out

There’s much more to the EU than a spreadsheet. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Darcy, might need to ask your opinion on flooring later 🙂

That Germany has done better points to the Germans using the EU better than the UK

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It does absolutely nothing of the sort.
There are so many possible reasons, to come up with the above is quite frankly ridiculous.

Useful as another example of the blinkeredness of STW’s Europhiles though.

I really, really need to move out of Surrey.

Surrey voted remain.

Surrey voted remain.

As did London, but they’re both still in the South East!

It does absolutely nothing of the sort.
There are so many possible reasons, to come up with the above is quite frankly ridiculous.[/I]

+1

And having worked across a number of sectors in Germany plus lived there you’d have to say its because they work better, not harder, just BETTER.

And having worked across a number of sectors in Germany plus lived there you’d have to say its because they work better, not harder, just BETTER.

I worked in Germany for a massive internationally known firm whose services you’ve probably all used, and they were definitely NOT better at working. They were an absolute joke. A British ex-pat who worked there was adamant that the concept of German efficiency was a myth, and that they had no common sense at all.

That was software though – I can imagine what works well in manufacturing would not work well in software.

good job that germanys doing so well, that must really upset all the EU haters

Artifically low exchange rate is a massive boost for the worlds largest/second largest exporter. EU/EEC generally accepted to be a Franco / German club. Always has been. I mean if it didn’t work for Germany what would be the point ?

Whose really projecting Project Fear??

Simple comparison about where the risk vs opportunity lies. As we’ve discussed when the eurozone crises really hits its going to affect the UK very badly. My point is that the less entangled we are in the EU the better, the less dependent we are on European trade the better.

So while May is in Saudi, desperately trying to sell them more bombs to blow up Yemeni civilians

that bastion of decency and integrity, Lian Fox is meeting international pariah Rodrigo Duterte, whom he claims we have ‘shared values’ with – thats what grovelling for a trade deal looks like

truly a proud day for the brexies

Simple comparison about where the risk vs opportunity lies. As we’ve discussed when the eurozone crises really hits its going to affect the UK very badly. My point is that the less entangled we are in the EU the better, the less dependent we are on European trade the better.

So….

You’re using a hypothetical situation which has poor consequences for the UK…..as an example of how you’re not employing “Project Fear” tactics….

Hmmm..

I think you’ve come up a bit short there old son.

Facts, Jamba, we like facts round here….not wishful thinking combined with smoke & mirrors!

French Presidential debate tonight. Plenty of euroscpetism on show and not just from Le Pen.

Remind me where those “plenty of eurosceptism” candidates are in the polls. Populist nationalistic isolationism that is taken to pieces each time Macron replies. Macron is the one with all the answers, now we’ll go along and vote, and see if that shows up in the result.