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  • igm
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    So is economic activity leaving the UK for the US because of Brexit better or worse than economic activity leaving the UK for the rest of the EU?
    Or is it just bad either way?
    Vultures circling?

    captainsasquatch
    Free Member

    So is economic activity leaving the UK for the US because of Brexit better or worse than economic activity leaving the UK for the rest of the EU?

    Doesn’t matter either way to Jamba, he’s sorted and screw the rest.
    Merry Christams suckers.

    slowoldman
    Full Member

    Doesn’t matter either way to Jamba, he’s sorted and screw the rest.

    I’m pretty sure that sums it up. “What’s good for (my) business”?

    igm
    Full Member

    He claims not, so let him answer.

    Nipper99
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    But I thought a free trade deal with the US was going to be our saviour.

    captainsasquatch
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    kimbers
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    zippykona
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    jambalaya
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    Captain you do keep ploughing this furrow that Brexit is good for me. It’s not, it will hold down house prices and by the time we are out and seeing the Econmic benefits I will be retired.

    But I thought a free trade deal with the US was going to be our saviour.

    We don’t need a free trade deal with anyone nor do we require a saviour. They are a nice to have. Most countries do just fine without.

    captainsasquatch
    Free Member

    Captain you do keep ploughing this furrow that Brexit is good for me. It’s not, it will hold down house prices and by the time we are out and seeing the Econmic benefits I will be retired.

    Do I? Sure I’ve never mentioned it before, but knock me out.
    So it holds down prices in the UK. How does it affect those with properties abroad?

    Nipper99
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    We don’t need a free trade deal with anyone nor do we require a saviour

    priceless 😀

    jambalaya
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    As an aside The The are one of my favourite bands. This is the day when things will surely change. This is the day when things fall into place. June 23, 2016

    Many here seem to imply Brexit will be good for me personally or I voted for personal gain. All part of the Pantomime Villan characterisation. Nope. Voted for the long term future of the country.

    captainsasquatch
    Free Member

    So it holds down prices in the UK. How does it affect those with properties abroad?

    jambalaya
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    That will be driven by EU, personally I think they are going to be affected far more negatively by events to come inc Brexit and Greek/eurozone debt crises. Property impacted negatively in both places with France worse than the UK

    priceless

    My gift to you. Always good to end Christmas day with a smile 🙂

    captainsasquatch
    Free Member

    That will be driven by EU, personally I think they are going to be affected far more negatively by events to come inc Brexit and Greek/eurozone debt crises. Property impacted negatively in both places with France worse than the UK

    You’re full of it Jamba, and inconsistencies… Fin.

    igm
    Full Member

    Jamba – you didn’t answer my question (below for reference) which you might like to given there was a strong implication in one of your earlier statements that the US not France or Germany stealing UK business due to Brexit was good. Care to set the record straight, because it did make you sound anti-UK as well as anti-EU.

    So is economic activity leaving the UK for the US because of Brexit better or worse than economic activity leaving the UK for the rest of the EU?
    Or is it just bad either way?
    Vultures circling?

    Klunk
    Free Member

    Farages chums are looking to stab us in the back….

    that wasn’t on the side of the bus.

    Nipper99
    Free Member

    There was an interesting program on BBC World re the expectation of US rustbelt Trump voters that Trump will reindustrialise the US. Not sure how that will work without a massive dose of protectionism.

    br
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    Did I not say a few pages ago that Trimp and his ilk were protectionist and that he’d favour no one but the USA?

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    Don’t worry, Nige will ride to our rescue.with his special relationship

    The rust belt Turkeys have had their Christmas – all downhill from here for them. Poor fools. At least they (will) have some N chums here to cry into their beer with.m

    mt
    Free Member

    Just been listening to Mervyn King, ex BoE boss on R4 this morning. Very enlightening views on the EU for some I suspect, he seemed somewhat positive about Brexit, I suppose now he’ll be regarded as incompitent by the remaoners.
    What I found most shocking was that he made no mention of a Free Yorkshire, very ill informed I thought

    Lifer
    Free Member

    Very enlightening views? It was just the usual fluff.

    jambalaya
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    @mt I will try and catch that. He is one of the high profile figures able to speak freely (as he’s retired) about the benefits of Brexit. He wasn’t tied up in all the “party line” nonsense during the campaign. I am coming round to the idea of a Free Yorkshire, in part just to piss off the SNP 🙂

    jambalaya
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    Nipper Trump intends to be protectionist in regard of low cost producers like Mexico and China

    @igm sorry didn’t see the question originally. Losing business is losing business so same really, once outside the EU we will be able to react more nimbly to competitive pressures. I believe London will retain it’s position in the financial markets and from what I see very little business is really dependent upon passporting and UK banks are withdrawing from EU markets as they are heading south. Banking a country with 20% unemployment is a good way to loose a lot of money

    BTW that “source” as I understand it is not someone in the Trump government elect, just a quote from an “advisor”. Clickbait headlines again

    Lifer
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    jambalaya – Member
    BTW that “source” as I understand it is not someone in the Trump government elect, just a quote from an “advisor”. Clickbait headlines again

    You understand wrong.

    He’s the pick for Commerce Secretary, who Trump apparently wants to oversee trade policy. But a cursory google would have cleared that up.

    DrJ
    Full Member

    regarded as incompitent by the remaoners.

    Ironing, etc.

    ninfan
    Free Member

    Interesting to see the front page of the Times there

    How sad it is that if it was a headline that didn’t suit the STW remainders point of view they would be the first to start jumping up and down shouting “Murdoch controlled media” and “Right wing Tory press”

    DrJ
    Full Member

    You understand wrong.

    He’s the pick for Commerce Secretary, who Trump apparently wants to oversee trade policy. But a cursory google would have cleared that up.

    Of course, but you miss the point. In using energy to debunk another of Jamba’s lies you allow the conversation to drift away from the real issue. Apparently this is the new face of politics – the dead cat taken to its logical conclusion. Fill the air with so much fabrication that anyone can say anything.

    DrJ
    Full Member

    How sad it is that if it was a headline that didn’t suit the STW remainders point of view they would be the first to start jumping up and down shouting “Murdoch controlled media” and “Right wing Tory press”

    How pathetic to see you exercised about what might or might not have happened in an alternative totally hypothetical situation.

    phiiiiil
    Full Member

    That Times page also mentions at the bottom that two electricity interconnectors from France that were intended to be part funded by the EU are now more uncertain due to changes to the European energy market due to Brexit.

    If we do end up with the Christmas blackouts that papers have been going on about for ever, could Leave households be cut off first? 🙂

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Lifer, you are correct, I’m wrong on that point. He is in line for a post (just read the Sky piece). He made the comment in June at a meeting of bankers/finaciers in Cyprus. Seems an obvious statement to me. Malta and Ireland have been pursuing UK business, UK domiciled organisations may need a bookingboffice / brass plate. Cyprus will throw its hat into the ring. Why not.

    As I said it’s really not a big deal. Not least as it was a comment made in June tailored to the audience at a private meeting in Cyprus.

    mt
    Free Member

    Mis that did ya Dr J. Sorry. Thall still be welcome in Yorkshire, it’s goin to cost you a lot o beer though.

    Lifer
    Free Member

    It demonstrates how much access to the single market benefits (in this instance) our financial services, without it we’re not as competitive.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Too many bullshit comments since I last read this thread, so I’ll just pick one…

    We don’t need a free trade deal with anyone nor do we require a saviour. They are a nice to have. Most countries do just fine without.

    List these countries with no free trade deal with any other country… if that is “most”, then it should be trivial to give us a nice long list of successful economies that do all their export business without trade deals…

    molgrips
    Free Member

    I suspect countries without free trade deals didn’t start off with them.

    Is there a country that built a modern economy on free trade then removed it?

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Mervyn was spot on IMO. Brexit is a tremendous opportunity and the EU has so many massive issues (eg euro and migration) Brexit is really the least of their worries.

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    Merv was only saying that it’s isn’t the end of he world (true) and we can look forward to things like…… Wait for it……

    ….agricultural reform and better relations with RoI. Why did no one stress this before? We are saved…..

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Brexit is a tremendous opportunity…

    Opportunity for what, and for who?

    I’m waiting for a list of countries without trade deals that are doing nicely without them…

    …lots of mugs people really believe that we are leaving the EU, with its 50 odd trade deals, so that we can get more trade deals with better terms than the EU can get us… they’d all be intrigued to hear that we don’t really need trade deals at all. It’s a good line to move to though, I’ll give you that… it might be wise for government ministers to start downplaying the importance of trade deals before they start failing to sign any worthwhile ones to replace the ones we lose in 2+ years time.

    br
    Free Member

    Very enlightening views on the EU for some I suspect, he seemed somewhat positive about Brexit,[/I]

    I read what he had to say as we either need to be fully in or fully out, as the middle ground doesn’t give us the protection nor opportunity at a reasonable price (both financially and politically).

    He’s also not wrong about there been ‘opportunities outside of the EU’, I’m pretty sure there are, but are there enough to replace what we have at the moment?

    thecaptain
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    Wait, what?

    We don’t want trade deals after all? I thought the whole point of leaving was that the rest of the world (well, Australia perhaps) was desperate to set up great trade deals with us but membership of the EU was tying our hands!

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