EU Referendum – are you in or out?

doomanic

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I made the mistake of reading some comments on FB earlier today. The level of ignorance and bigotry is both astounding and depressing.

agree completely, proper WTF? stuff out there, amazing how after nearly 3 years some people have managed not to learn anything about the process

As for May running down the clock…. its been her strategey for months now, she simply has no other plan

My taxi driver to the airport last week brought up Brexit. He said he’d vote remain but now would vote leave “due to the way the EU had treated us”.

During the conversation I raised the lie of the £350 million a week to the NHS. His response was “ok so the number was wrong but was it a lei?”. Err yes…

Remain was all project fear but if we stayed in the EU we would have to join Euro and EU Army in 2 years.

We are doomed. They believe everything they read on Facebook but never once fact-check anything.

“due to the way the EU had treated us”.

The great myth, what it should be telling us is how very hard it will be to negotiate anything going forward and the negotiating power of the EU. You are with us or against us.

Next up a deal with the US

Some Labour MPs have moved on to the only answer left now…

I'm feeling like I might stage some revolution this week take over parliament, engage my Nan's voice and tell everyone to pack in their nonsense. Rescind article 50 and get on with mending the very broken system. Grow a backbone Theresa May serve your goddamn country.

— Jess Phillips MP (@jessphillips) February 24, 2019

Meaningful vote delayed with a promise it’ll happen by 12 March. Ridiculous. So then there will be 17 days to go. This is no way to run the country. It is high time to revoke Article 50 and end this pathetic brinkmanship. https://t.co/6GeKBWlt1k

— Alex Mayer (@alexlmayer) February 24, 2019

…all the other options have been left on the table long enough to now be useless.

17 days to drive the country off a Cliff or slam the brakes on and save us all from disaster

I genuinely don’t know what they’re going to do.

But regardless of your brexit view, if you think the tories have handled this well, and you would still vote for them, you are so monumentally thick that you will get all you deserve in the forthcoming maelstrom

“due to the way the EU had treated us”

And that is an insulting and dangerous narrative that May has allowed to fester. Frankly the fact that the deal offered included passporting of financial services actually shows that the EU has been rather generous in their offer, Frankly if I was in the EU’s position I would never have allowed that.

Unfortunately the leadership of both parties have allowed these continued insults to be constantly thrown at our closest allies, and have turned friends into enemies. Those that have been toted as friends by the erg nutters are going to rape the **** out of our country,

What happens if Mays majority resigns?

We need* a government to be in place on 29th March, no matter what happens… May can’t be safely toppled now, even if she doesn’t have a “majority” (you can argue that is already the case). Parliament can keep giving her instructions, she can keep ignoring it. Unless they vote to chuck her out, which they can’t, because then we’d have no government at a time when we absolutely have to have one. That’s our democracy. Flawed you say?

*If we need to stop/delay Brexit, that requires an executive to change the law and notify the EU. If we carry on and Leave without a deal, we need an executive to sign off on multiple measures and side deals with the EU to keep the UK functioning. If we are to Leave with a deal, we need an executive to implement changes to the law that our new temporary status as a non-member under the umbrella of the EU requires.

And that is an insulting and dangerous narrative that May has allowed to fester.

This is a mess the brexiteers created, all the EU have said is that we can’t keep the benefits of membership after we leave (well some like passporting etc they have).
The brexiteers campaign was all about pretending there were no benefits to membership. Still now they cling on to that & would rather see a no deal Brexit than admit that they lied.
It’s a story millions have bought into in the polarised debate.

It’s why if we do crash out with a deal it will all be the ‘EU’s fault’ when things go bad.

Wot I want to no is why are the WTO punishing us wiv these tarifs.

Oh gawd still at it!!

Wot I want to no is why are the WTO punishing us wiv these tarifs.

Unelected boorocrats, who voted for the head of the WTO?  Out now!  We were ruling the world before the WTO existed,  so we don’t need to follow their rules.  Spitfires, passports…

agree completely, proper WTF? stuff out there, amazing how after nearly 3 years some people have managed not to learn anything about the process

The vast majority have no interest in thinking beyond the memes they see on Facebook on a daily basis. And they have no reason to – they’re not politicians. You can argue that it is actually in their interest, but that’s just the way it is.

Which is why the referendum should never have taken place. It should only have been carried out if the government had a plan, and the confidence that it could be executed in a way that would be beneficial.

What we actually had, was a vote surrounded by misinformation, posing a very complex question to a public who did not, and still do not, understand it. Taking all the responsibility away from those that do.

Even now, the public is blamed for it. It’s all their doing. They voted for it, etc. Fact of the matter is, our government should never had such an option on the table that would lead to the political instability we have right now. Brexit isn’t even the issue any more, it’s very much about the handling of it.

But regardless of your brexit view, if you think the tories have handled this well, and you would still vote for them, you are so monumentally thick that you will get all you deserve in the forthcoming maelstrom

Many people will still vote Tory just to keep Corbyn out. I don’t remember any other time in my life when people felt they had no party to vote for. And that they would vote for (arguably) the most disastrous party in living memory, purely because they fear the opposition may be worse.

Strange times.

Oh gawd still at it!!

I see the trolls pop back in regularly, still no positive news from Phil though

I see the trolls pop back in regularly, still no positive news from Phil though

Didn’t get enough of a bite this time around, though.

Expect the phrase ‘pant wetting’ to make an appearance soon.

Tiresome stuff.

Now, where is the killfile, again?

Brexit isn’t even the issue any more, it’s very much about the handling of it.

There is something in that too – even a logically minded Leaver* ought to be appalled by the sight of massively important policy decisions being settled by a game of parliamentary chicken.

*Yes, I know……..

We need* a government to be in place on 29th March, no matter what happens… May can’t be safely toppled now, even if she doesn’t have a “majority”

May can be given the heave-ho at any point. The remaining Cabinet members would simply appoint an acting PM. The government carries on until it loses a Motion of No Confidence (twice).

TBH, what would work better is the Queen stepping in, and telling that Parliamentary shower of arseholes that she’d take it from here, thanks.

Brexit: Theresa May under pressure to consider Brexit delay

It looks like the EU bureaucrats have just woken up to the reality.

Slay the EU beast (EU bureaucratic system) while it is on the run.

They actually said that a delay would be “the rational thing to do”, thus ensuring that that’s the very last thing that this bunch of headbangers will countenance doing

From Sky:

Speaking at a news conference at the end of the EU summit with Arab leaders, European Council president Donald Tusk is asked about the possibility of extending Article 50 and delaying Brexit.

He says: “Prime Minister May and I discussed yesterday a lot of issues including the legal and procedural context of a potential extension.

“It’s, for me, absolutely clear that there’s no majority in the House of Commons to approve a deal.

“We will face an alternative – a chaotic Brexit or an extension.

“The less time there is until 29 March the greater the likelihood of an extension.

“This is an objective fact, not our intention, not our plan but an objective fact.

“I believe in the situation we are in an extension would be a rational solution, but Prime Minister May believes she is still able to avoid this scenario.

“I can assure you, and I did it also yesterday in my meeting with Prime Minister May, that no matter which scenrio will be, the EU27 will show maximum understanding and goodwill.”

It looks like the EU bureaucrats have just woken up to the reality.

Slay the EU beast (EU bureaucratic system) while it is on the run.

Verbal numberwang.

Trouble is tho May isn’t rationale and sees Brexit as her legacy and screw the rest of us.

It does seem that even if May asks for an extension, it will be 6-8 weeks, so nothing really changes and she will keep carping on about listening and co-operating while doing neither, and just bringing the same deal back again. The EU have a more realistic view of extending by a couple of years.

On the plus side May is saving TV news channels some money as they can just replay soundbites from months ago. So there’s a positive money saving side to brexit, knew I’d find one eventually.

The EU have a more realistic view of extending by a couple of years.

Im not sure that the EU would want that, we’d probably end up with Tommy robinson as an MEP, theres enough kipper freeloaders in Brussles already, I can see us getting an extension up to the euro elections.

to mittigate the worst effects of no deal (from their point of view) would anyone in the EU trust May to get any deal through parliament now?

An extension would have to be tied to the realisation that the UK needs to change or flex on some things. If not it’s pointless.

Oh gawd still at it!!

I know. Its nuts isnt it? When will the maybot realise she isnt getting anywhere?

we’d probably end up with Tommy robinson as an MEP, theres enough kipper freeloaders in Brussles already

They rarely bother turning up though and when they do just throw some insults as opposed to properly causing political chaos. So the tosser would just be a minor irritant.

Farage has one of the worst attendance records doesn’t he? When he does show up, he often just rants something unrelated to the debate, in order to have it shown by his Russian buddies on RT.

If ever you needed proof that he’s in it for the money…

On the plus side May is saving TV news channels some money as they can just replay soundbites from months ago. So there’s a positive money saving side to brexit, knew I’d find one eventually.

Ha ha that’s probably 800million quids worth …she says the same shit over and over

I often find that the killfile improves my forum experience considerably.

In other news, the interim head of the Institute of Directors has apparently “lost all faith in the political process” regarding Brexit.

All this because a minority of Conservatives want to use Brexit as the instrument to abolish “red tape” – the things we have in place to ensure that employees are treated fairly, that pollution is minimised and that businesses who pollute are taxed accordingly.

Extension it is then. Only question is for how long.

Just what we need – more uncertainty.

They really are not fit to govern

Oh, looks like there could be another brexit bonus…
Government planning a “hardship fund” for no-deal Brexit

Is Corbyn finally going to cave into pressure? Or just mumble something trite

Big announcement planned

Is it busses?
In before binners….

As one reply to the tweet siad its the hope that kills you.

not understand

could be the second coming of Christ and it still wouldn’t matter what announcement Corbyn makes he simply makes up the numbers

Oh, looks like there could be another brexit bonus…
Government planning a “hardship fund” for no-deal Brexit

Will it supplement my dole money or is it for those of us that can’t get dole money.

Asylum…seeking is my next attempt reckon i could get that using political persecution by my government as my claim?

Has he bought a new hat?

One of his courgettes has won a prize?

Has Corbyn had a rebellious flashback and defected to the independent group?

Some government cabinet-member Brexiteer cockwomble (don’t ask me which one, they all sound the bloody same) was being interviewed by Emma Barnett this morning on Five Live

She asked him repeatedly about the hardship fund for people ‘immediately impoverished by the fallout from a no deal Brexit.

He did what they all do when confronted by reality – totally refused to answer and just blathered on about the sunny uplands once Mays Deal had been voted through

All vey reassuring