EU Referendum – are you in or out?

Argentinian beefs would be £11.20 under the current regime, my mental arithmetic let me down.

International driving permits – see also green cards for insurance which need to be issued a month in advance. Only insurers are refusing to issue them until they know what is going to happen.

The key here is the answer to the question who gets the Tariff. The government will be getting more income and how they spend that income is up to them
They could try and help low earners (raise lower taxes rate to apply at £20,000, they could reduce VAT, they could give benefits to low earners) or they could just use it to give more tax breaks to the rich. Now, who do you think would do what…

I expect once the British farmers have gone out of business the farms
will be sold to foreign companies and promised tariff rebates.
It’s the Tory way.

Do you think that a foreign organisation telling us what taxes we should levy impinges on our sovereignty?
Mr garages office describe the wto as the good guys which seems at odds with…

Its main policy will be that Britain shall “cease to be a member of the European Union and shall not thereafter make any treaty or join any international organisation which involves in any way the surrender of any part of the United Kingdom’s sovereignty”.

What will change will be who does it make sense to buy from. A simplistic example helps illustrate the point, say you can land Argentinian beef in the UK for £8 per unit and Irish Beef at £10 a unit

The trouble with simplistic economic examples, is that they often ignore inconvenient factors, or exclude other reasons (other than cost) why consumers might not be keen on say; foodstuffs from countries with less controls than the EU. For example:

Food safety or quality labels are rarely used in Argentina. There is no label certified by the government.

Could be a strong reason why Argentinian beef is so cheap. Although often the price differences also reflect the different names for bits of cow in America vs Europe. (Sirloin, tenderloin and rump, for example are all different across the pond, a sirloin in the US is the same as rump here). It makes no sense from an economic, environmental, safety perspective to import beef from half way around the world, when we can get it safely from our neighbours and grow it ourselves, and at the same time, (almost an added bonus if you like) keep land productive, and farmers out of food banks.

Could be a strong reason why Argentinian beef is so cheap

American and Argentinian beef are also grain fed and pumped full of hormones, it is absolutely inferior to standard European beef. And there is also lower animal welfare standards. In the US grass fed beef (as virtually all european beef is) is a premium product.

The consultancy companies are doing OK out of Brexit.
100M last year and contracts renewed.

Just follow the money.

All this farming related tariff stuff is very interesting … but it misses that the EU could just decide to say that UK produce is not exceptable ’till we make concessions and fit in with their way of thinking over fisheries, common minimum standards for RoW imports, payments for budget commitments etc. They could literally say no food stuffs enter the EU (or more likely rEU minus Ireland) that contain any significant proportion of UK produced ingredients. Very little we could do about it, with no major trade deals, no Withdrawl Agreement and nothing agreed at WTO yet. That those over here talk of “talking tough” and “who blinks first” with such a large neighbour suggests that they expect the “other side” to be reasonable and avoid a trade war at all costs. If the EU decides to act differently, those tough “Brits” might be hiding away in their off shore third homes, and making use of their other passports, before too long…

And how upset will a yellow vest be with no job and no food?

The people who have big issues are UK farmers exporting to the EU, sheep farmers having the biggest proportion of exports, their goods will be subject to the very high EU external tariffs.

Yep, and Tory MP’s are going around telling farmers it will be the French imposing the Tariff out if spite.

The key here is the answer to the question who gets the Tariff. The government will be getting more income and how they spend that income is up to them

Well the first point is who pays it,in that case it’s the UK consumer. Lets take a vote on putting VAT up to 25% and putting it on food. It will hit people indiscriminately, then rely on the government to compensate the worst affected while paying for all the post brexit infrastructure we need to pay for, paying off the EU bills and trying to maintain spending commitments with all this industry closing.

zippykona

And how upset will a yellow vest be with no job and no food?

No problem. A week of no food, and they’ll not have the energy to make too much fuss.

Give it another 2 to 3 weeks, and the Tory eugenics pogrom will be declared a success at getting rid of the underclasses.

Don’t panic captain mannering

The EU it seems are offering our brexiteers and their ilk massive sums of money to relocate to European lands…the irony eh

All this farming related tariff stuff is very interesting … but it misses that the EU could just decide to say that UK produce is not exceptable ’till we make concessions and fit in with their way of thinking over fisheries, common minimum standards for RoW imports, payments for budget commitments etc. They could literally say no food stuffs enter the EU (or more likely rEU minus Ireland) that contain any significant proportion of UK produced ingredients. Very little we could do about it, with no major trade deals, no Withdrawl Agreement and nothing agreed at WTO yet.

Yep…..

rules of origins a kicker.

Once we’re ‘out’ we are very likely to be in serious trouble as our asses can be well kicked and no veto.

Gonna have a lot of bitter people having that bitterness targeted somewhere other than the politicians.

Stating the bleeding obvious, but a good, if depressing, article by one of those pesky ‘experts’.

The Japanese aren’t daft – that’s why they’re getting out of Brexit Britain

“British Conservative ministers are regarded by many Japanese as alien creatures locked in a 19th century time warp”

And that’s even more damning coming as it does from a group as collectively bonkers as the Japanese.

Postponed again FFS! Can we hope that more tories grow a pair and quit?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/theresa-may-postpones-meaningful-vote-on-final-brexit-deal

And still she claims she’s not running down the clock to back them into a corner. If this is the “democracy” that leavers hold so dear then I am missing something.

Postponed again FFS! Can we hope that more tories grow a pair and quit?

It’s a straight choice for a lot of Tory and Labour MPs. Face down the racists in their constituencies or take the country over a cliff edge to hang on to their seats.

If recent experience is anything to go by, expect a sharp downwards feeling on 30th March.

And still she claims she’s not running down the clock to back them into a corner.

This has been obvious since November. The WA will be presented unchanged to parliament by the government, with some words of reassurance about the all UK CU backstop (that the UK asked for) only once the only options are for MPs to either accept it or take a share in the blame for a no deal exit. Is that March 12th? I expect it will be the week after that, unless enough MPs feel pressured into publicly reassuring their voters that they will support the WA next week. It’s a good plan… unless you consider both possible outcomes as awful for the UK, which most MPs, and probably most people in the UK, do.

And still she claims she’s not running down the clock to back them into a corner. If this is the “democracy” that leavers hold so dear then I am missing something.

Good innit…

This has been obvious since November.

It’s been obvious since some time around July 2016.

They’ve pretty much blown 3.5k – 12k jobs out the water in swindon and still they’re playing games.

Still set the leaving date in law as that was the most important.

It’s like ‘game of thrones’ the little people are decimated on the whim of a few.

It’s been obvious since some time around July 2016.

I’m not sure it was even “obvious” who would be PM at this stage, back in July 2016.

So, what businesses are left in the UK to leave by March 11th?

Anyone up for a spot of rioting yet?

I’m a 54 year old man, and even I feel like I could be persuaded…

Had some absolute Tory nugget being interviewed by Andrew marr yesterday and I literally had my head in my hands. He was asked what would happen if the eu didn’t back down and he just completely avoided the question.

His argument was absolutely ridiculous. He even came out with the old ‘Britain voted overwhelmingly to leave the eu’..dear Lord man it was 4%, if you ran it again tomorrow half the selfish old gits that voted to leave would be dead by now and you’d lose..yet he was banging on about democracy.

Absolutely pathetic. I just wish there was a way of holding these cretins to account..and I don’t mean voting them out..actual accountability for f..ing up our entire nation.

HAVE you completely abandoned sense and reason over Brexit? Find out how you rate on the ‘Brexit thickness scale’ by seeing if you hold any of these views.

‘Politicians need to work together’

How exactly do you expect people to ‘work together’ on entirely incompatible things? You wouldn’t expect Mary Berry to work with James Dyson to bake a plastic cake that sucks up dust. Thickness level: 1

‘We must respect the referendum result’

A quick analogy: you book a family holiday to Somalia because it’s sunny and cheap. However, upon googling it you realise you will probably die. Then you pack your shorts anyway and hop on a flight to Mogadishu. Thickness level: 2

‘We have to leave to prevent riots by the far-right’

Utterly weird logic in which you immediately bow to a questionable threat you should resist anyway. Like letting a five-year-old drive off in your car because he threatened to duff you up. Thickness level: 3

‘Just get out now’

Repeated ad nauseum on BBC Question Time. Unfortunately the subtext is: “I have no interest in understanding this huge **** mess I voted for.” Thickness level: 4

‘The EU is going to collapse’

Brexiters arrive at this conclusion by wishfully overestimating the importance of, say, the ‘gilets jaunes’. It’s like thinking Marvel is going to stop making superhero films because your mate Dave fell asleep during Ant-Man. Thickness level: 5

‘We’ll sort something out’

When optimism intersects with stupidity. We probably will ‘sort something out’, but what? Being murdered ‘sorts out’ your old-age care arrangements, but it’s not ideal. Thickness level: 6

Daily Mash hits it out of the ballpark.

That March 12th date is just think of a number. A couple of days before, she’ll just postpone it again.

She wants a vote at the 59thminute of the eleventh hour between her deal or economic Armageddon.

There really aren’t the words left for me to truly express my utter contempt for our entire ‘political class’

God knows how many lives are going to be massively negatively impacted by this shambles, and to them its all just a bloody game!

mickmcd

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Anyone up for a spot of rioting yet?

TBH, I might sit these ones out, it’s going to be a bit like when you go and see a really popular metal band and half the kids trying to get into the pits have never been to a gig before so they just end up falling over all the time.

The moment that everyone realises that the UK approach to demos and civil disobedience is to cancel all the leave and send all the police we have, even from hundreds of miles away, to deal with a single event, is going to be interesting. It more or less works for a couple of cities for a couple of days but a big, marginally aggro demo with a dab of counterprotests in the biggest cities on the same day and the wheels’ll come off completely. There’s 20% less police than there was in 2011…

Mefty, I’m disappointed

Argentinian beefs would be £11.20 under the current regime, my mental arithmetic let me down.

After an easily spotted factual error, one is supposed to double down, insist one is correct and that any challenge is undemocratic.

An admission of fallibility isn’t going to help here.

The EU it seems are offering our brexiteers and their ilk massive sums of money to relocate to European lands

All 17 million of ’em? Good we’re saved.

Anyone up for a spot of rioting yet?

If society has broken down can we smash into bike shops? just asking for a friend like…

How utterly arrogant to try and force the whole country into her deal, rather than sitting down with everyone and trying to work out a way forward. It’s absolutely awful.

I made the mistake of reading some comments on FB earlier today. The level of ignorance and bigotry is both astounding and depressing.

molgrips that is very polite of you.

Matthew Parris has a profile of our glorious leader in the Times today. It’s behind a paywall but there’s an extract here.
Death Star

Unfortunately for us all, that profile of her sounds equally as applicable to the leader of the opposition.

They share exactly the same character traits.

Both are the very last thing this country needs right now

I made the mistake of reading some comments on FB earlier today. The level of ignorance and bigotry is both astounding and depressing.

The Graun has very accurately nailed a lot of the alt right shit that is going on on social media.

I had a joust with a couple of knuckledraggers, one was giving all the crap about being anti all established politics and imploring me to step back from my lefty media brainwashing.

A quick skim through both their timelines revealed loads of anti-Muslim sentiment and sharing of Hatey Plopkins verbal evacuations.

I shared back the Graun article on the alt-right likes of Yaxley-Lennon and strangely things went a bit quiet. I was on the verge of getting a carpet chewing Downfall style rant from one of them, but I think his mates told him not to blow the gaff.

These shitstains are out there.

They were berating a remoaner (sic) for daring to suggest that revoking A50 was the best thing for the county. Their argument centered arounf the “FACT” that we’d have to re-apply and lose our Veto, join Schengen, Accept the Euro, let Turkey join and for a European army. About the only thing they didn’t mention was the RAF pilot’s post that was discredited yonks ago.