Clarkson 'n-word' furore!

I just think it is quite fun watching Clarkson squirm

Exactly Molgrips.

You appear to be attempting to apply logic to a politically correct mind molgrips, a rather futile and pointless exercise, imo.

To be honest, I think pussy-footing around the word ‘black’ is regressive in itself. In my view, we should work towards skin colour being completely irrelevant, and this kind of thing actually makes this aim a lot harder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness_(race)_in_the_United_States#Criticism_of_color_blindness

http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2012/08/teaching-about-racism-in-post-racial.html

http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2014/03/colorblind-racism-and-white-racial.html

You appear to be attempting to apply logic to a politically correct mind molgrips, a rather futile and pointless exercise, imo.

You could say that, another might say that he is naive.

Christ on a bike. They’re words.

i like the way you can sometimes get called a racist if you don’t like someone and they’ve got something to prove ( probably because they don’t like you either to be fair, which is fair enough really – the not liking you part) Also in my observations whilst commuting such racism issues are not just a one way street, although they are usually presented in such a way ( not anything to do with me should I add)

And yes racism is wrong.

Anyone been listening to 5Live with Steven Nolan last night and tonight? No reasonable debate whatsoever. I’ve heard the clip a few times and it doesn’t sound like he said the word, even so they chose not to broadcast it just in case. What’s the problem?

It’s not publicly broadcasted so he is entitled to his views! 🙄

I mean racism is all over the place if you are willing to look deeper in the society or ourselves.

Be honest we only like ourselves and we cannot force others to accept others …

🙄

What’s the problem?

He did say it along with other racist words that were broadcast? Which means he’s a dickhead that shouldn’t be receiving public money?

Tom_W1987 – Member
If you think the use of the word slope, in the context that Clarkson used it was okay (he should have been fired for that, the N-word was the icing on the cake)…then I hope you don’t use it on the trails within earshot of me or my wife (Asian).

What would you do, or think you would do if this happened?

Ooh, internet tough guy, that’s impressive.

What about slope style tom? Red black or blue slope? I suppose if you had a wee on the slope it would be a … oh no better not or it’ll all kick off on the Internet

Me I just dont like Germans, is that racists ?
Or come to think of it a the moment Russians.

Well yes it sounds quite bigoted to dislike entire nations, did you really have to ask ?

Don’t like Germans why’s that?

It’s the whole Porsche thing like JC isn’t it?

Ro5ey – Member

Don’t like Germans why’s that?

It’s the whole Porsche thing like JC isn’t it?

No I’ve been skiing in Austria, so maybe some of them were Austrians hard to tell they all look the same.

Good thread this. Well done everybody. Really great work. I mean it. Really.

I hate marzipan and naggers.

so maybe some of them were Austrians hard to tell they all look the same.

Ability to identify those you dislike has always been a perennial problem for bigots, the nazis got round the problem with ingenious use of yellow stars and pink triangles. I guess there can’t be much worse for a bigot than to have to accept someone on face value.

I genuinely never heard of the word “slope” as an ethnic slur before: I just had to look it up.

I now think we should petition the IOC to change the name of the Slopestyle event to “mucking about on the side of a hill”.

Edit: 8)

I now think we should petition the IOC to change the name of the Slopestyle event to “dicking about on the side of a hill”.

Careful dicking suggests it’s for men only you sexist pig, I hope Tom_W doesn’t here you say that.

I think I may be becoming STWer-ist.

I’d heard the word slope used as a racist slur before; I believe it’s more commonly used in America but given the way it was used on Top Gear it was clearly supposed to have “naughty” undertones. If casual 1970s style racism is what passes for humour these days on top gear then they need to have a word with themselves.

As for this thread, I’m puzzled as to why, where Tom_W says he and his wife find the use of the word slope highly offensive because of her race, that people are taking the piss out of him.

As for this thread, I’m puzzled as to why, where Tom_W says he and his wife find the use of the word slope highly offensive because of her race, that people are taking the piss out of him.

Because people didn’t agree with his pov he called them racists. I’d wager his wife didn’t find Clarkson’s use of the word “slope” offensive. I’m asian, couldn’t GAF.

Should I be upset about the use of white for surrender flags? Is there an insinuation that white people are cowardly that I didn’t know about?

Is it ok to say that someone’s in a dark place when they are depressed? Cos that could also be offensive, equating dark with bad.

you may wish to consider that white means/represents peace and black means evil/baddie in our culture to understand the reason. I dont think it is inherently evil and I dontthink it is that racist but it is interesting.
Is it the worst thing in the world no – but it may mean white is peaceful rather than cowardly so it is not actually negative. I am struggling to think of a term with the word white in it that is actually negative though I am sure the hive mind can come up with something.
White noise??

What about slope style tom

Its almost as if words can have different meanings – why are you struggling with this? You can say slope if you wish to describe an actual slope you cannot use it if you wish to describe an Asian
Its not really complicated to get this.

I’m puzzled as to why, where Tom_W says he and his wife find the use of the word slope highly offensive because of her race, that people are taking the piss out of him.

+1

you can clearly say the word slope you just cannot say it in relation to an Asian.

I shall slope of now ….oh look a third meaning for the word and one which will not offend Tom or his wife.

There can be no comparison between describing a downward gradient as a slope and using it to refer to an Asian.
Are some of you really struggling to get this?

Careful dicking suggests it’s for men only you sexist pig, I hope Tom_W doesn’t here you say that.

Its ok its not been said often enough.

I’d wager his wife didn’t find Clarkson’s use of the word “slope” offensive. I’m asian, couldn’t GAF

He can probably speak for his wife better than you can
Some white folk find clarkson racist some do, some asian find slope offensive some dont
However TG clearly new both meanings or there is no “joke”.

He can probably speak for his wife better than you can

I don’t doubt he can. However, speaking from experience, his reactions are eerily familiar; playing the race card for someone else so they can get into a shouting match. Seen it happen too many times 1st hand.

I genuinely never heard of the word “slope” as an ethnic slur before: I just had to look it up.

I’m sure that’s true but Clarkson obviously had. The joke doesn’t work otherwise.

I dont agree with the implication that you need to be the victim of the slur to speak out

Shall I ignore sexism when my misses is a victim??

He is playing it, as you term it, because he objects to it.

I think we can all agree some folk like arguing 😉

I am struggling to think of a term with the word white in it that is actually negative though I am sure the hive mind can come up with something.

A whitey. As in..”Oh, man – I smoked sooo much I pulled a whitey.

A whiteout – blizzard. Tenuous, I know…

Because people didn’t agree with his pov he called them racists. I’d wager his wife didn’t find Clarkson’s use of the word “slope” offensive. I’m asian, couldn’t GAF.

Are you the official spokesman for all asian people?

I now think we should petition the IOC to change the name of the Slopestyle event to “dicking about on the side of a hill”.

Is this meant to be a joke (if so it’s hilarious), or are you really not able to understand the difference between the word ‘slope’ used in different contexts?

Threads like this make fascinating reading. Interesting that a mod that was previously involved in a racial slur debate on here is now taking this piss out of tom_w on this thread.

For me it’s a simple as…..don’t say or use the n word. Trying to intellectualize or diminish its use is quite frankly naive at best given historical events.

Threads like this make fascinating reading.

I wouldn’t call basic human behaviour fascinating, it’s quite common to join the pack after an attack not to mention that shit rolls down hill.

What I find fascinating is why threads like this run for so long or, indeed, what their purpose is. As usual, no one’s viewpoint will be changed.

It’s all just bluster and posturing, IMO

Threads like this make fascinating reading. Interesting that a mod that was previously involved in a racial slur debate on here is now taking this piss out of tom_w on this thread.

Actually I shouldn’t have used Tom as it adds to the confusion so I’ll give you that, I was really just playing on the ‘dicking’ word being sexist. I shouldn’t have used Tom’s name you’re right there.

….are you really not able to understand the difference between the word ‘(insert word of choice)‘ used in different contexts?

Exactly. And the answer from both perspectives is clearly not (with certain words having a greater degree of exclusive right to cause/take offence)

Are you the official spokesman for all asian people?

I did I say I was? Has anyone come out and said as a [insert person of ethnic minority] I am offended by what Clarkson didn’t say to me?

Count me out of here. Some are far too touchy.

or are you really not able to understand the difference between the word ‘slope’ used in different contexts?

No of course he isn’t, he was making the point that words have their own meaning as well as having had racist connotations added later.

I am struggling to think of a term with the word white in it that is actually negative though I am sure the hive mind can come up with something.

Whitewash and white flags spring to mind. However it’s fairly obvious to me that we use dark or black for negative things because the dark is slightly scary, because we can’t see potential predators who can still see us. Darkness is associated with fear and negativity. That has naff all to do with race obviously. But blackness doesn’t have to be negative. Black tie looks good, as does a little black dress, and I just built a black bike that looks awesome. So it’s perfectly possible to not link the two. Can’t help thinking this is indeed people looking for a link where none exists.

Can’t help thinking this is indeed people looking for a link where none exists.

what the the term slope and the n word are offensive?
whitewash refers to cleaning things up to cover stuff up and was then used to other things
Interesting reference from wiki

Its first reference dates back to 1591.[1] Whitewash is a cheap white paint or coating of chalked lime used to quickly give a uniform clean appearance to a wide variety of surfaces, for instance, the entire interior of a barn. In 1800, the word was used in a political context, when a Philadelphia Aurora editorial said that “if you do not whitewash President Adams speedily, the Democrats, like swarms of flies, will bespatter him all over, and make you both as speckled as a dirty wall, and as black as the devil.”

so there you have it the fella jesus was white , as is god and the devil is black….. bloody christians eh 😉

It is a good example though all the same and you have a point that sometimes it is just innocent use but due to our past history we are sensitive to the use
I doubt many folk would ask for n word black as a paint colour then again we have never had honky white as a colour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-27360884

A veteran BBC local radio DJ has lost his job after playing a song on his golden oldies show containing a racist word.

BBC Radio Devon DJ David Lowe, 68, said he was unaware that a 1932 version of The Sun Has Got His Hat On included the n-word.

Who else knew??

In the original 1932 version of the song, the second verse contains the lines

He’s been tanning **** out in Timbuktu
Now he’s coming back to do the same to you

Excuse me for not reading the whole thread but have we covered the fact that black people can use the n-word without being accused of being racist or Sacha Baron-Cohen can make anti-Semitic jokes in Borat ? It wasn’t so long ago that blasphemy was taken very seriously, now it seems fine to make anti Christian jokes on tv at will ?