Charlottesville

@thm Clarification please – who are you blaming then ninfan or them?

I agree it almost ends like this rather than an intelligent debate on complex issues.

I get it Toryboi, you’re a troll….a particularly repugnant troll….

But when it’s so easy to shoot your sh1t full of holes I can’t resist!

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Theresa May now condemning Trump for his failure.

Jamie

Especially for jimjam. He’s had enough and started tagging walls out of frustration.

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I am surprised the mods have not closed this down yet.

Sometimes we like to watch the world burn, that and it’s not broken any rules other than a few individuals.

The PM said: “I see no equivalence between those who propound fascist views and those who oppose them.”

If Maybot can say it, I think that says it all.

As an aside. In 6 months time The Donald won’t be president. Calling it now.

It’s nice to be reminded occasionally that even Maybot isn’t quite as shit as Trump.

As an aside. In 6 months time The Donald won’t be president. Calling it now.

I said this six months ago…

It’s nice to be reminded occasionally that even Maybot isn’t quite as shit as Trump.

Took her long enough though.

But then again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-refuse-charlottesville-neo-nazi-violence-us-president-uk-prime-minister-a7896036.html

teamhurtmore – Member

It’s called maintaining a tradition

Which one?
You refusing to make a point and chipping in with sarcastic comments every few pages?

Ninners trolling for attention whilst pushing the Devil’s Advocate stance as far as possible?

You must be so proud that these ancient traditions still survive…

that’s what they said six months ago.

that’s what they said six months ago.

Yeah. But that was them. This is me.

You can trust me.

Honest.

Ah, so do we now have to condemn Maybot, or risk being seen as endorsing her views on Trump?

usty Spanner – Member
teamhurtmore – Member

It’s called maintaining a tradition

Which one?

I think it’s the one were ye make perceived lofty observations every now and then in support of the local ring wing loonball in the hope that they buy ye a sub! 😆

Have we done the Vice HBO report yet?

If not, pull up a poof, open a packet of Seabrooks and enjoy.

Remember

Fear leads to anger
anger leads to hate
hate leads to nazis

Have we done the Vice HBO report yet?

3 times now but was worth reposting.

Well been watching US and Canadian news this morning as I trudge through Van airport after no sleep and nobody is supporting Trump’s views there – well except for the KKK and the nazi’s but they are just an oppressed minority.

The worst bit is how completely unsurprising it is that he has managed to isolate himself so much, no fresh Approval polls this week so be interesting to see if it drops further.

As an aside for the amount of show security on borders and airports once again they miss the fact that the biggest threats already live there and are proud to be Americans in whatever way they see fit.

FFS Donny is at it again:

http://newsthump.com/2017/08/16/donald-trump-says-rebel-alliance-must-also-take-blame-for-violence-as-death-star-had-all-the-required-permits/

Fear leads to anger
anger leads to hate
hate leads to nazis

So Nazis are the Dark Side? They won’t like that.

ninfan – Member

Funny that, because if you were near me and suggesting punching me in the face was appropriate then I’d run you over with my car to get away from you

This post exposes ninfan on so many levels.

He likens himself to a murdering nazi.
He suggests a wholly illegal course of action.
He defends the actions of a murdering nazi.
He repeats the lie that the murderer was acting in defence.
He uses the murder of an innocent woman to try and score points.

What a despicable being.
I wouldn’t ban him for being despicable mind, I’d ban him for being a trolling liar.

If the issue really is freedom of speech, where is the condemnation of a group of people (nazis) that want to deny that right (amongst others)?

It’s utter hypocrisy.

The alt-right don’t like star wars because it’s got a multicultural agenda

Or whatever insecure tosh they like to arouse themselves over
http://www.nme.com/news/donald-trump-alt-right-supporters-boycott-new-star-wars-movie-rogue-one-1902965

Which is even funnier as Rogue 1 was the first decent star wars film in decades !

Even Theresa the Appeaser has had to condemn Trump, dark times for the sith !

Trump’s interview yesterday was pure paranoid fantasy, there may be something tactical there he’s trying to cling onto that core tea party vote who hide behind the free speech bobbins because really they agree with the guys waving swastikas and flaming torches around.

So Nazis are the Dark Side? They won’t like that.

It’s the better uniform thing all over. The baddies always look cooler.

Wheres the ‘are we the baddies’ Nazi sketch when you need it.

Ninfan quite clearly, hasn’t actually read Mein Kampf, here is what THE authority on Hitler has to say.

The historian Ian Kershaw points out that several passages in Mein Kampf are undeniably of a genocidal nature.[10] Hitler wrote “the nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated”,[11] and he suggested that, “If at the beginning of the war and during the war twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the nation had been subjected to poison gas, such as had to be endured in the field by hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers of all classes and professions, then the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain.”[12]

So his understanding of Mein Kampf is like his understanding of freedom of speech, it is non existent.

undeniably of a genocidal nature

That wasn’t the allegation though was it? It was “they are an ideology based on mass murder” which it doesn’t

You appear to have forgotten that the removal of the statue and renaming of the park is also undeniably an act of cultural genocide as well

Here he is promoting actual genocide, because after all no one remembers the armenian genocide.

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/hitler.html

You honestly arguing hitlers and nazisms aims weren’t genocidal? 😆

btw mein kampf was written in 1925, in case you didn’t notice, he got a wee bit bolder in the following years! 😆

hitlers and nazisms aims weren’t genocidal?

Straw man

Are you claiming that cultural genocide isn’t an inherent form of genocide? The ICC think it is: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/feb/28/iccs-first-cultural-destruction-trial-to-open-in-the-hague

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ninfan – Member

You appear to have forgotten that the removal of the statue and renaming of the park is also undeniably an act of cultural genocide as well

There we have it.
Pulling down a statue and renaming a park are akin to murdering six million Jews.

That wasn’t the allegation though was it? It was “they are an ideology based on mass murder” which it doesn’t

You can’t create a “master” race without removing the “inferior” ones, so yes it’s an ideology based on mass murder.

You’re not equipped for this.

ninfan – Member
your point
Well, the comment above was that the Nazis “stated primary aim is to murder large groups of people”

So, if it’s not in mein kampf, then where is it stated?

Here’s yer question ninfan, I answered it. Why you changing the subject?

Do you accept that Nazism is inherently about mass murder/genocide or not? a simple yes or no will do.

ninfan – Member

Are you claiming that cultural genocide isn’t an inherent form of genocide?

Strawman.
No he wasn’t.

It of course isn’t, so you’re wrong anyway.
It’s often a part of genocide, but you don’t have genocide without mass murder.
That’s part of the definition.

Pulling down a statue does not equate to mass murder.

Again, you’re ill equipped.

Are you claiming that cultural genocide isn’t an inherent form of genocide? The ICC think it is: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/feb/28/iccs-first-cultural-destruction-trial-to-open-in-the-hague

No – genocide isn’t mentioned.

I don’t think ninfan actually understand Nazism at all – I think he just gets a stiffy over all those jack boots & their snazzy flags!

The extent to which a large number of posters on this thread are making it about ninfan, rather than the events in Charlottesville and USA is depressing.

teamhurtmore – Member
It’s called maintaining a tradition

Who’s joining me in a protest march if we’re forced to abandon our tradition of politics threads turning into a trollathon by ninfan?

Troll lives matter.
Troll lives matter.
Troll lives matter.

You appear to have forgotten that the removal of the statue and renaming of the park is also undeniably an act of cultural genocide as well

Do you know when this statue was elected and by whom?
Clue: it wasn’t Confederates, so I’d like to know whose culture it is that you think is being eradicated?

undeniably of a genocidal nature

That wasn’t the allegation though was it? It was “they are an ideology based on mass murder” which it doesn’t[/quote]

Am I reading this correctly? You’re arguing that their ideology isn’t based on mass murder, they’re just a bit genocidal? So… what, that makes it all alright then, does it?

Honestly, how can you have a sensible debate with someone who will insist for six pages that something isn’t black and then when presented with proof that it is actually undeniably they will proudly proclaim that it’s actually obsidian?

something isn’t black and then when presented with proof that it is actually undeniably they will proudly proclaim that it’s actually obsidian.

I didn’t know he worked for Apple 😉

There seems to be some question about what Hitler wrote. Maybe we could ask The Orange One …

Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, “Heil Hitler,” possibly as a family joke.

Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed.

https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner