CFH tried a version earlier

Only he didn’t. All he did was trot out the “what about Corbyn” reflex, regardless of the total irrelevance of Corbyn to anything about this event.

But you knew that.

expect community leaders to apologise on their behalf?

Where did you read anything about apologising?

And this ladies and gentlemen is what you get when you elect a President for whom Morality and Respect are meaningless and irrelevant. What did we expect when the very President operates on the principal of selfishness and self aggrandisement?

Shall we check Doc?

For Trump, the fault is the right wing loons on the march in Charlottesville. For Corbyn, it’s the murderous government in Venezuela. Neither is willing to admit it, so we get the mealy mouthed “on both sides” statements

But you knew that 😉

Third time lucky, maybe?

Are you suggesting that Bimbler’s post on the Trump thread is inaccurate?

Shall we check Doc?

Please do. When you come up with anything that contradicts what I said, feel free to jump in again.

Try the bit in the quote box, it’s what CFH actually said, but you knew that 😉

You’re just repeating yourself. Boring.

And you keep making unfounded accusations. Even more boring. Actually not, revealing more like.

If anything, that’s what’s shameless.

Zzzzzzz

The subject of this thread is an event which occurred in the US, and a statement regarding that event by the President of the United States. What relevance to that does a comment of any sort by the leader of the British Labour party have?

In any case, why does discussing of what Trump says have to be “balanced” by something else? Perhaps we should criticise the sports reporters for not “balancing” their report of Chelsea vs Burnley with some reporting of a match that Chelsea won?

No, I’m afraid that CFH just couldn’t help himself and for some reason you have chosen to attempt to defend the indefensible. Foolish.

Nice late edit – very telling that you felt the need.. Sorry for distrusting the nap.

Foolish to point lies out, correct – who cares about facts, eh ?? 😯

who cares about facts, eh ??

Not you, apparently.

With a bit of luck the alt right and antifa will wipe each other out.

While I’d rather no one else suffered, or worse, died, this is about right. [/quote]

No it isn’t about right, and to pontificate like that while sitting comfortably thousands of miles away is shallow and arrogant.

I don’t like the aggressive and violent nature of the militant anti-fascists, but to see them as just the left wing equivalent of the self-styled Nazis and white supremacists, and to say that they are no better than each other is very simplistic narrow thinking.

As far as I am aware the anti-fascists only exist and are only present in Charlottesville as a response to the white supremacists march. Do you really think it would reflect better on America and the American people if there were no protests against the white supremacists? I think it would be much worse to see a march like that passing off without any protest or objection.

Part of the left has a long tradition of aggressive and even violent opposition to Nazi and racist movements, e.g. the Anti-Nazi League protests against the National Front, but to say that they are no better than the extreme right wing that they oppose is absurd when you consider the origins of the motivation for their protests, e.g. slavery and racism/racial discrimination in the USA and World War 2 in Europe.

Unfortunately, moderates don’t seem to want to take up the baton to object to the white supremacists (maybe they are scared, I certainly would be), but for moderates to sit at home and denounce those who have the courage of their beliefs to oppose fascist behaviour is pretty pathetic, and suggests that the quote of Martin Luther King posted by deadlydarcy above was absolutely on the money.

What a remarkable coincidence

Are you suggesting that Bimbler’s post on the Trump thread is inaccurate?

No idea. Just correcting the mistake in your post.

As far as I am aware the anti-fascists only exist and are only present in Charlottesville as a response to the white supremacists march.

Counter argument, the only reason the white supremacists are marching is the removal of a statue of General Lee, now, whether General Lee is someone to be respected and erect a statue of is a complex question, but you could easily relate the removal of an existing statue as an act of cultural vandalism against the peoples of the south, the removal is an overtly political act, with huge social and political overtones, in other places such deliberate actions have been prosecuted by the ICC as war crimes and acts of genocide.

Do you really think it would reflect better on America and the American people if there were no protests against the white supremacists?

Do you really think it would reflect better on America if lawfully authorised expressions of freedom of speech were prevented from being held due to the risk of violence by people who oppose it?

think it would be much worse to see a march like that passing off without any protest or objection.

Why not let them protest in peace? Isn’t acceptance of others right to hold different opinions part of freedom of speech and democracy?

Part of the left has a long tradition of aggressive and even violent opposition to Nazi and racist movements, e.g. the Anti-Nazi League protests against the National Front,

Yes, they do, even promoting violence against people they don’t agree with, “punch a nazi” for example.

but to say that they are no better than the extreme right wing that they oppose is absurd when you consider the origins of the motivation for their protests, e.g. slavery and racism/racial discrimination in the USA and World War 2 in Europe.

Ah, right, violence is acceptable when it’s in support of a cause you believe is righteous?

a statue of General Lee

You lost. Get over it.

Posts with more 5 or more quotes?

I’m out.

p.s 10 pages. From page 4 onwards only thm, jy, ninfan and DrJ.

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I do love a nice car statue

You lost. Get over it.

😆

Nah, Jamie, I’m out. The BS is straying too far from the truth now – you might say verging on the shameless

a statue of General Lee

it runs deep north and south

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLYsg_EeDo[/video]

You lost. Get over it.

Go tell the ACLU

http://www.nbc29.com/story/36112221/aclu-rutherford-institute-represent-kessler-in-lawsuit-filed-against-charlottesville

No idea. Just correcting the mistake in your post.

I can’t work up the enthusiasm to check whose graph is correct, so I’ll assume it’s yours.

So, Trump won on his own merits after all. Americans are a whole lot dumber than I imagined.

Carry on.

Ninfan, I know you like play devil’s advocate, and sometimes it does serve a purpose in questioning and challenging lazy assumptions and ‘groupthink’, but in this case? Read what you have written – you yourself can see the gaping flaws in your counter arguments.

Counter argument, the only reason the white supremacists are marching is the removal of a statue of General Lee…such deliberate actions have been prosecuted by the ICC as war crimes and acts of genocide.

I realise it may have been amusing for you to construct that Alice in Wonderland justification, but remember this is about real people’s lives, and not just something for your entertainment and diversion. Imagine what it must be like being a black person living in Charlottesville and seeing that statue everyday, and the implicit message its continuing existence and presence communicates to every black person in the South. The status quo argument is absurd.

Do you really think it would reflect better on America if lawfully authorised expressions of freedom of speech were prevented from being held due to the risk of violence by people who oppose it?

No, which is why I did not say that.

Why not let them protest in peace? Isn’t acceptance of others right to hold different opinions part of freedom of speech and democracy?

They have the right to hold those opinions. They do not have the right to have the expression and promotion of those opinions go unchallenged. Again imagine if you were a black person and that was happened, and people instead told you that you should not make a fuss and just let the march pass off without any objection/protest/counter argument.

Ah, right, violence is acceptable when it’s in support of a cause you believe is righteous?

No, I said nothing of the kind. I merely pointed out the origins of the militant anti-fascist campaigners, i.e. they came into being as a campaign against some of the worst actions in human history (the Nazis/WW2 and slavery in the USA), and to say they are as bad as each other is a ridiculous statement when you consider what the white supremacists etc. stand for.

I dunno, what is it with you right wing nut jobs and your fetish with the flags of defeated ideologies?

Imagine what it must be like being a black person living in Charlottesville and seeing that statue everyday, and the implicit message its continuing existence and presence communicates to every black person in the South

Imagine what it must be like being a Muslim and having to look up at two great big statues of Buddha every day?

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YIA5kZJPENE[/video]

It’s still deliberate cultural genocide

Only read this page and not surprised to see the usual suspect trolling/tugging hard.

what is it with you right wing nut jobs and your fetish with the flags of defeated ideologies?

Aw shucks. Our pet right wing nut job is on to Corbyn again. 😆

The other obsession.

More what abouts by ninfan. Did you borrow off the masters of what abouts, the communists? Is that a picture from your favourite photo album? 😆

The other obsession.

Well he has to try and distract people from that far right terrorist attack that happened.

Pretty bad example Ninfan the video refers to a group from outside the area which destroyed the statues apparently against the wishes of the local people on the video.
In Charlottesville the elected city council are removing the statue if folk don’t like it they can elect a different council.
Currently public opinion within the town seems divided although I should point out the plan was to relocate the statue not destroy it.
NYT

whether General Lee is someone to be respected and erect a statue of is a complex question,

Not really, unless you are pro slavery like he was.

but you could easily relate the removal of an existing statue as an act of cultural vandalism against the peoples of the south, the removal is an overtly political act, with huge social and political overtones, in other places such deliberate actions have been prosecuted by the ICC as war crimes and acts of genocide.

Maybe the people who rename Colston Hall will end up at The Hague??

Just in case anybody was wondering, looks like the alleged murderer really is a white supremacist neo-nazi.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/charlottesville-james-fields-charged-with-was-pictured-at-neo-nazi-rally-vanguard-america

Still can’t confirm Corbyns involvement with respect to all this but as soon as I’ve worked it out I’ll be right back…

Maybe the people who rename Colston Hall will end up at The Hague?

Well the ones who renamed Almondvale as The Tony Macaroni Arena certainly should

Still can’t confirm Corbyns involvement with respect to all this but as soon as I’ve worked it out I’ll be right back…

It won’t get better until he condemns someone.

condemns

Weren’t they the previous coalition?

unless you are pro slavery like he was.

Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves, but I don’t see anyone blasting ther likenesses off Mount Rushmore

Just in case anybody was wondering, looks like the alleged murderer really is a white supremacist neo-nazi.

Again, actions of an individual are not representative of the beliefs or values of the wider peace-loving national socialist community, yadda yadda, lone wolf, etc.

Different times, man.

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