[Closed] Charlottesville

Domestic terrorism.

At first I thought this was a pic of the National Guard that was sent in or something... but no...

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crazy scenes. Just waiting for my pro-trump friend to post on fb justfying it all

It's the South, Confederate country. Alt.Right politicians are trying to get secession from the North and set up as a different country.
Of course, all those living there who aren't white, roughly 50% in many places, will have nothing at all to fear...

Its all about the statues, there was a public meeting about them in Richmond that all went sour last night.
Has Trump tweeted yet. Mrs Trump wasnt exactly strident in her condemnation.

Has Trump tweeted yet.

A fuller version of Trump's response to this terrorist attack:

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence, on many sides. On many sides."

I mean, really? (and yes, you expect shit like this from Trump but a surprising amount of the reporting is ignoring the "on many sides" which is just, well, wrong.

(It's been rightly said that it's early days in the investigation. But the video shows beyond doubt it was deliberate and there doesn't seem any reasonable doubt over motivation)

Trump can't afford to incur the wrath of his right wing supporters so he's playing his usual game and blaming both sides

With a bit of luck the alt right and antifa will wipe each other out.

Trump

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence, on many sides. On many sides."

Sounds like Corbyn on Venezuela.

What I condemn is the violence that’s been done by any side, by all sides, in all this.

I have friends in Charlottesville. Thankfully, they're safe.

With a bit of luck the alt right and antifa will wipe each other out.

While I'd rather no one else suffered, or worse, died, this is about right.

Sounds like Corbyn.

*slow hand clap*

Well, Jamie, it's true. It's the standard, pathetic response of someone not willing to blame the party that is in the wrong. Of someone trying not to admit where the fault lies.

For Trump, the fault is the right wing loons on the march in Charlottesville. For Corbyn, it's the murderous government in Venezuela. Neither is willing to admit it, so we get the mealy mouthed "on both sides" statements.

Wow. These are your concerns flashy? Touching. Very touching.

Nazis. They're called Nazis.

Alt right? That'll be good old fashioned nazi's then?

Let's call 'em what they are eh? A problem if they represent your core support, I suppose

Madness. How the police allow the counter demonstration I do not know. It all just [b]predictably[/b] blows up from there.

As for the car ramming hard to call it terrorism as its an escalation of the fighting. Had the "unite the right" guy just rammed a pedestrian or a gathering without the earlier fighting then yes arguably terrorism

bigjim - Member
crazy scenes. Just waiting for my pro-trump friend to post on fb justfying it all

Come on, own up....
Which friend is that? Jamba, ninfan or chekw?

jambalaya - Member

Madness. How the police allow the counter demonstration I do not know. It all just predictably blows up from there.

As for the car ramming hard to call it terrorism as its an escalation of the fighting. Had the "unite the right" guy just rammed a pedestrian or a gathering without the earlier fighting then yes arguably terrorism

You strange, sad little man.

Actual Nazis are actually killing people. That's a pretty massive red flag.

This place amazes me sometimes...so is this mess Corbyns fault too. How has Trumps refusal to call out violent racist thugs got anything to do with Corbyn.

With a bit of luck the alt right and antifa will wipe each other out.

Thats right people taking to the streets to condem racist thugs deserve to be wiped out. What a massive arse you are.

As for the car ramming hard to call it terrorism as its an escalation of the fighting

I'm sure ISIS share that view

How the police allow a counter demonstration I do not know

Yeah.... best to let the white supremacists just get on with their tacitly government endorsed threatening racism unhindered eh?

Jambalaya - Member
Madness. How the police allow the counter demonstration I do not know. It all just predictably blows up from there.

As for the car ramming hard to call it terrorism as its an escalation of the fighting. Had the "unite the right" guy just rammed a pedestrian or a gathering without the earlier fighting then yes arguably terrorism

You're warped fella. take a break.

Guessing you reckon the mosque bomb was just a bit of a giggle too? No doubt they shouldn't have built the mosque where people were intending to put a bomb..

as for the car ramming hard to call it terrorism

I'll just leave this here...

[b]Terrorist Attack 200 meters from our home in Paris[/b]

That's the same line Jamba uses to justify the use of lethal force on stone throwing Palestinian youths.

CFH has a point.

When will our 'leaders' start calling out wrong for being wrong, no matter what side it's from and without concern for their own poitical aspirations?

Just caught up on this situation. What a sad, sorry state of affairs. That this sort of thing still goes on is extremely sad. I've never really grasped racism, we're all just people trying to get on and live our lives. Very naive of me I know.

At first I thought this was a pic of the National Guard that was sent in or something... but no...

It is beyond madness that a group of people can go on a march and feel that they need to be wearing bullet proof vests, military clothing and carrying assault rifles, never mind being allowed to do so.

How the police allow the counter demonstration I do not know.

Awaits response on the NoI 'Destroy Israel' march with interest... Mind you Jamby does have a problem with the concept of democracy. It's a one time only "Will of the People" Volkish kind of thing with him...

CFH has a point

Last time I checked Corbyn wasn't the 'leader of the free world' voted in on a campaign based on hatred and lies. When the Red Brigrades are marching in the shires I'll maybe revise my opinion...

@metalheart

I was generalising about ALL political leaders, as you well know. But your over zealous Corbyn defence makes my point quite well, thanks.

You strange sad little man

You're warped fella

Classy stuff.

]CFH has a point

True but not a popular one it seems. Probably something to do with balance.

Thank goodness he has you.

True but not a popular one it seems. Probably something to do with balance.

Maybe. Maybe something to do with choosing to criticise Corbyn rather than, or as well as, those who sell weapons to the Maduro regime, or those who condemn "both sides" in the Yemeni civil war while selling weapons to one side etcetera etcetera ad nauseam

t some people are going to be jobless Monday morning

There's a name and shame site

https://mobile.twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/896423173914230784?s=04

"neither is..."

Was the giveaway, easy to miss, I guess.

No need to worry lifer, they are both big boys and generally polite too. .

I worked in this part of the world in the 90s in manufacturing and energy with many "locals" there were many who were deeply and openly racist, you cant judge these altright people by our standards, they are not well educated, travelled or tolerant. In many cases the only experience that they have of foreigners is shooting them in Iraq or Afghanistan. I worked with a guy from Texas who was well travelled described the South as a third world country with electricity.

I think that Charlottesville itself is fairly liberal and has been invaded by rednecks because they wanted to take down a statue of General Lee.

Yup, normally very liberal when I used to work there off & on about 10yrs ago

Repeatedly voted as one of the 'Top' places to live in the USA (suspect they might review the [url= https://livability.com/best-places/top-100-best-places-to-live/2017 ]2017 listing[/url])

I was generalising about ALL political leaders, as you well know. But your over zealous Corbyn defence makes my point quite well, thanks.

Well, I wasn't defending Corbyn. But carry on.

I'd rather we start with the ones that have actualy been elected to lead their respective countries first though (rather than a minor one that, in all probability, never will).

It's amazing the loyalty a subscription will buy. Some folk are very easily bought.

Most large city's in the South are reasonably liberal, however that's not where the good ol boys live or work.

£3? Or is that $s

Didn't the governor also threaten to close down the cinemas showing Gone With The Wind 24/6 *

[*Obvious not on the Sabbath ]

deadlydarcy - Member
It's amazing the loyalty a subscription will buy. Some folk are very easily bought.

RIP Heather Hyer

Usual suspects spouting utter rubbish,
surprised at you Flash, that was a pretty shameful post.

It is beyond madness that a group of people can go on a march and feel that they need to be wearing bullet proof vests, military clothing and carrying assault rifles, never mind being allowed to do so.

I blame the blues brothers

Whilst I am used to the CPt doing whatabouterry [ and only discussing the left] on any thread where right wingers are being criticised he has slumped to new depths of credibility with bring both Corbyn and Venezuela into this debate.

Pretty please could you either criticise right wingers [ what I term discussing the topic] when they do something or STFU as your whatabouterry is beneath you and this forum. Imagine if I just responded to any Corbyn post by discussing irrelevant right wingers in another country....would you be impressed by this or view it relevant?

A fuller version of Trump's response to this terrorist attack:

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence, on many sides. On many sides."

Flashy clearly hit a nerve with the loons. His comparison is clear and justified, and the subsequent vitriol directed his way is also entirely predictable. The loons' angry denials doesn't change reality it only reinforces how disconnected they are. Left wing violence is the inconvenient truth and Corbyn's support for violent marxist regimes is a valid comparison to draw on a thread about political violence.

entirely predictable.

Yup. Some things you can set your watch by.

Marco Rubio thinks Trump should be calling out against white supremacist terrorists:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/charlottesville-protest-trump-condemns-violence-many-sides

His position on Corbyn re Venezuela, however, remains unclear.

#boycottpost-its

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right hook

No need for a picture of an ironing board

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/venezuela-2

😀

But agree RIP Heather - condemn all violence and murder

No way Trump wrote that tweet

Spot on.

Unless he's had plenty of covfefe obviously.

surprised at you Flash, that was a pretty shameful post.<THIS!

😆

Madness. How the police allow the counter demonstration I do not know. It all just predictably blows up from there.

- Some swivel eyed right winger.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

- Some black dude writing from a gaol in Birmingham, Alabama.

CFH has a point
True but not a popular one it seems. Probably something to do with balance.

His point is a fair one its his timing and the whataboutery that is way off.

Possibly, AA, but then so is the predictable reaction (even if the myopic lack of balance is ironically amusing)

"Shameful" - 😯

even if the myopic lack of balance is ironically amusing

teamhurtmore - Member

Classy stuff.

Yes, in fact considerably classier than his post deserved. But I can see why you've decided to respond to our posts rather than to comment on his.

Having seen the video of the armed white supremacists in Charlotteville I think it took some courage to turn out to protest against them.

His point is a fair one

Except of course that the neo-nazis and KKK supporters are [b]claiming legitimacy from the election of Donald Trump[/b]... after all, [i]they[/i] got him elected... (or so they claim). Might explain why he can't just come out and condemn them.

Which makes his point completely irrelevant.

And besides, have you [i]seen[/i] his shoes?

But I can see why you've chosen to respond to our posts

Well that's excellent news and progress. Let's see how/if you have taken it in...

rather than to comment on his

My comments are very clear. Condemn all violence and murder- you can read them up above. But spoiler alert - they are balanced, so might not go down too well. CFH tried a version earlier but his went down like a cup of cold sick. "Shameful" apparently....

And besides, have you seen his shoes?

Has Trump?

after all, they got him elected...

The only person who got Trump elected was Hillary. Very few people voted for Trump. Less voted for Hillary.

Are you sure about that?

Err righto

Has Trump?

covfefe

It would appear so...

What's flashy been paying for?

All 500 of them?

There are only 500 neo-nazis and KKK supporters in the US? You sure about that?

Re. the actual votes cast in the last US election, go check and see who won the popular vote. Was it 3 million more that voted for Hilary (using your logic though, they were only voting [i]against[/i] Trump...)?

What's flashy been paying for?

Fashion crimes against humanity.

The only person who got Trump elected was Hillary. Very few people voted for Trump. Less voted for Hillary.

To be fair, more voted for Hillary, just in the wrong places (whether they all had a right to vote is a different issue, of course)

Having seen the video of the armed white supremacists in Charlotteville I think it took some courage to turn out to protest against them.

Don't forget, if the protesters had had cars they could have run the attacker over before he drove into them

When i rode across the us 20 years ago the only place we were hassled was charlotesville. The locals thought it q entertaining to drive past us shouting in their pickups. I couldnt understand a word they were shouting but they didnt seem v friendly. We carried on...

Our pet right wing nut jobs are now talking about Hilary. 😆

To be fair, more voted for Hillary, just in the wrong places (whether they all had a right to vote is a different issue, of course)

500 rednecks had nothing to do with it.

Don't forget, if the protesters had had cars they could have run the attacker over before he drove into them

They should just have borrowed an ICBM off NK, problem solved...

Fair enough. Compare how many voted for Obama with Hillary and you'll see the problem. It wasn't an increase in the Republican vote,[i] [u]there was a collapse in the Democrat vote.[/u][/i]

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Third time lucky, maybe?

Jamie, don't be going dragging [i]facts[/i] in to it. It just confuses the poor dear.

This was posted on Facebook by a friend of mine. The source is a locked post made by a friend of his. I'm reposting with permission.

[i]"I think I'm out of social media spoons for the weekend. Before I go, I just want to be sure we're all clear on what just happened.

A rally was organized called "Unite the Right" in Charlottesville, VA to show support among the various "right wing" groups. The groups included white supremacist groups like Identity Evropa, men's rights activist groups like the Proud Boys, white nationalists like the Traditionalist Worker Party, and literal actual National Socialists. Not "oh I don't like their ideas so I'll call them Nazis". Actual self-described Nazis. They went out, bought torches, and marched through the University of Virginia last night with nearly no police presence, and openly assaulted (and admitted on twitter to assaulting) a small group of peaceful unarmed anti-Nazi protesters. A number of prominent Republicans (e.g. Orrin Hatch) condemned the rally, but the president remained silent.

The group of Nazis and their supporters marched again today, again with little police presence. David Duke, former grand wizard of the KKK spoke at the rally saying "We are determined to take this country back. We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That's what we believed in. That's why we voted for Donald Trump, because he's going to take our country back, and that's what we're going to do."

The anti-Nazi protesters were at a separate location, to avoid conflicts. Then a white supremacist got in his car, drove to them, and drove his car into the crowd of peaceful anti-Nazi protesters, injuring 19 and killing 1 of them.

Again prominent Republicans condemned hatred, white supremacy, and Nazis. After the violence, the president finally made a statement, condemning "this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". To my mind, it should be clear that the hatred and bigotry is isolated to one specific side. This was literally a group of Nazis and Nazi supporters. Every other condemnation I have seen from both Republicans and Democrats has directly called out Nazis and white supremacists (although mostly overlooking the men's rights activists). All of them except the one, who seems to think "many sides" are at fault. This is where our country is.

I would like to post this publicly, but honestly, I'm afraid. I don't feel confident that I would be protected. I don't think that I can rely on the people of this country."[/i]

Don't worry Cougar, there's only 5 hunner of em, Elefie says so, must be fact.

Next time, antifa just needs to take their cars....

The anti-Nazi protesters were at a separate location, to avoid conflicts. Then a white supremacist got in his car, drove to them, and drove his car into the crowd of peaceful anti-Nazi protesters, injuring 19 and killing 1 of them.

Again prominent Republicans condemned hatred, white supremacy, and Nazis. After the violence, the president finally made a statement, condemning "this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". To my mind, it should be clear that the hatred and bigotry is isolated to one specific side. This was literally a group of Nazis and Nazi supporters. Every other condemnation I have seen from both Republicans and Democrats has directly called out Nazis and white supremacists (although mostly overlooking the men's rights activists). All of them except the one, who seems to think "many sides" are at fault. This is where our country is.

So this is the occasion where it's now OK to burden an entire community with collective responsibility for the 'lone wolf' actions of an individual and expect community leaders to condemn the actions and apologise on the communities behalf?

Interesting