[Closed] Charlottesville

I'm going to say it one more time, ninfan...

I'm not left wing!!!

Quack, quack

fakenews y'say?

So, stories coming out now that his car had been surrounded by antifa protesters attacking him and he was trying to get away. Unverified but seems like a realistic scenario.

Quack, quack

Wat?

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He's using the blackadder defence! 😆

I'm not left wing!!!

fakenews y'say?

You quoted it yourself:

Unverified

You know, like rumours regarding Donald's collaboration with Russia

Wat?

If it walks like a duck...

@dissonance invented and inserted the word 'credible' of his own accord

and i apologised and stated why I would assume that.
Now. Are you going to provide links to these stories? Since the only place I have seen it claimed is in that video clip (vice i think) from one of the white supremacist leaders.
So I am curious if you have it from any source other than someone like that.

fin25 - Member
You're a rubbish troll, ninfan.

He most certainly is not.

You know, like rumours regarding Donald's collaboration with Russia

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If it walks like a duck...

Let's follow your logic, ninfan.
You're calling me a lefty for being anti-Nazi.
Does that make you a Nazi for defending them?

I'm not left wing!!!

Everyone that disagrees with ninfan is left wing, by default.

I suspect he'd happily call the KKK and nazis "lefties" if they questioned him.

[quote=ninfan ]@aracer accused me of not answering his question, even though I answered it two posts later

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where is it the Nazis stated primary aim to murder large groups of people

There's a video posted 3 times or more on this thread in which the leader of one of the Nazi/White supreemacist groups says that the group are not non violent. Why not watch it Zulu eleven

[quote=GrahamS ]I suspect he'd happily call the KKK and nazis "lefties" if they questioned him.

Nah - I reckon even ninfan would find it tricky adopting a position to the right of the KKK. He'd just switch stances and troll them as a communist.

leader of one of the Nazi/White supreemacist groups says that the group are not non violent. Why not watch it Zulu eleven

Violent ? mass murder. Regardless, it's a logic fail - one group is violent, therefore all right wing groups are inherently violent - we're back to the muslims example here, aren't we?

The claim was that mass murder was a primary stated aim, if that's the case then it should be mighty easy to show where it's stated, shouldn't it?

@aracer, cite it yourself, I told you where it is.

Are you going to provide links to these stories?

Look up Taylor Lorenz on Twitter, a journo from The Hill who posted, at the time, that that was what the police had said to her at the station.

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So, on that basis, do you accept that it was true when I said that, and let's be clear exactly what I said at the time:

[i]So, stories coming out now that his car had been surrounded by antifa protesters attacking him and he was trying to get away. Unverified but seems like a realistic scenario. I assume that if confirmed the usuals will stop calling it murder or terrorism and instead condemn the protesters who attacked him?[/i]

[quote=ninfan ]@aracer, cite it yourself, I told you where it is.

I was hoping you might go back and check to work out why you're wrong. But if you insist on me pointing out your complete inability to even keep track of what you've posted yourself, then the question I asked on the last page was:
"what is the retaliation you're referring to, and what does it have to do with this thread?"
I gave a link to the post I originally asked it in:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/charlottesville/page/9#post-8654333

Your post 3 after that (I'll forgive you for not being able to count) is:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/charlottesville/page/9#post-8654339

I'll even quote it in full for you, and you can see if you can find where your reply to me is:
[quote=ninfan ]

that particular event (resulting in zero harm or arrests), nah. trifling

I'm all for the right to demonstrate in support of a cause (with same caveats as above) but it's utterly inappropriate, even in the US, to do so while tooled up for WW3 - that's public intimidation, not demonstration

A group fighting for the same rights as other citizens in their society or a group wanting to subjugate/oppress a group within their society.... Yeah, fair comparison

You know what's sad?

There are lots of really smart, interesting people on this forum, but they don't get a chance to contribute because these threads just turn into a shouting match thanks to certain people.

(and yes, it's always the same people, and yes they disagree with anything just to get attention, often the thing they've just said themselves. And when asked a direct question, they just "Trump" answer by talking total b****ks)

If i were less of a lefty liberal id's say ban 'em for life from here...... 😆

ninfan, I already backed down from the whole mass murder/stated aim thing, I amended my post accordingly.
The fact that you keep going on about it makes you look a bit silly, or a bit Nazi...

@aracer, I was referring to your tumbleweed post, which I answered two posts later. That's the one I saw when I followed your link. So, yes, I gave been answering your questions - unfortunately you now appear to be hopping up and down demanding that I answer questions that I've already answered, repeatedly.

Look up TAylor Lorenz on Twitter, a journo from The Hill who posted that was what the police had said to her at the station.

Done. I'm guessing you meant the tweet that she later deleted because she said a bunch of 4chan trolls were misrepresenting what she said?

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That was based on what two police officers that did not witness it or watch the videos had said to her.

Its like a TJ thread of old this him insisting he has answered the question repeatedly and yet reluctant to provide the proof to all the doubters

Nothing personal to either TJ or ninfan here just an observation of history repeating itself first as farce and then as tragedy

That was based on what two police officers that did not witness it or watch the videos had said to her.

You now appear to be upset because I commented based upon what she said at the time and subsequently deleted (me cautioning that it was unverified) rather than what she said afterwards.

Look up Taylor Lorenz on Twitter, a journo from The Hill who posted, at the time, that that was what the police had said to her at the station.

[quote=ninfan ]@aracer, I was referring to your tumbleweed post, which I answered two posts later. That's the one I saw when I followed your link.

When you followed my link? I'll give the link again and you can check where it goes:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/charlottesville/page/9#post-8654333 <- I also quoted it to avoid any doubt "what is the retaliation you're referring to, and what does it have to do with this thread?"

You're not very good at this internet thing are you (I suppose there is an alternative possibility to you being completely and utterly incompetent, but I find that impossible to believe)?

So, yes, I gave been answering your questions - unfortunately you now appear to be hopping up and down demanding that I answer questions that I've already answered, repeatedly.

Questions plural? You answered one of my questions when prompted the 3rd or 4th time. I'm now "hopping up and down demanding" you answer the follow up question which you've repeatedly avoided answering. You can try again if you like:

what is the retaliation you're referring to, and what does it have to do with this thread?

You now appear to be upset

Sorry to tell you, you don't upset me ninfan.

I commented based upon what she said at the time (cautioning that it was unverified) and subsequently deleted rather than what she said afterwards.

Okay so here's a tweet she made [i][b]at the time[/b][/i]:

Just wanna clarify that 2 officers who I spoke to who said act might not have been intentional were not on the scene. Had not seen video yet

-- https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/896462280904364032

And the one immediately after that says:

I'm at the police station now interviewing officers and other witnesses. Every witness here claims the act was deliberate

-- https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/896447579730452481

I wonder why you only focused on the one tweet of an unverified story?

[i]And you all wonder why the [s]left[/s] right gets accused of #fakenews?[/i]

Ninfan yes you were telling the truth about the stories at the time .
You could have linked to the tweet and saved yourself a lot of grief.

The statement from the officers doesn't shed much light on what actually happened.

what is the retaliation you're referring to,

Right, to be clear, It would seem there was a whole variety of retaliation to the antifa attempts to prevent and counter protest the (licenced) protest meeting in the park by a variety of 'right-wing' groups, including KKK, Nazi and Nazi-influenced groups and various others, including more moderate right-wing groups. Such retaliation appears to have involved throwing things, hitting people with sticks and use of CS and pepper spray. It even appears to have involved the sexual assault of a flower:
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No doubt such incidents would not have taken place had people not tried to prevent other people from protesting

and what does it have to do with this thread?

Because flowers need protecting from creepy white blokes, obviously

Ninfan yes you were telling the truth about the stories at the time .
You could have linked to the tweet and saved yourself a lot of grief.

Yes, and I'm sure all the people who incorrectly accused me of lying will apologise.

[quote=gordimhor ]You could have linked to the tweet and saved yourself a lot of grief.

😆 - the trouble is if he'd done that, the follow up tweets had already been there for a couple of days at the time he made the original post, hence shooting down his point. Unless by "stories coming out" he meant "stories which have already been debunked by the original author"

Though of course that is always assuming that he was aware of that particular tweet at the time rather than having finally found his "evidence" 3 days later...

[quote=ninfan ]So, on that basis, do you accept that it was true when I said that, and let's be clear exactly what I said at the time:

No - at the point you made that post 3 days ago it was already untrue.
Linky to ninfan's post for the benefit of those capable of clicking on internet links: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/charlottesville/page/4#post-8651688

[quote=ninfan ]Yes, and I'm sure all the people who incorrectly accused me of lying will apologise.

😆 I'm sure it will all come out in court 😆

Anyway, having finally got an answer to that one:

[quote=ninfan ]What we have witnessed here, repeatedly, is double standards - constant justification of violence by the political left because 'nazis are bad, m'kay' (along with calling everyone they don't like a nazi) but shock and horror when the direct result of that is retaliation.

What exactly is it that people are expressing shock and horror about?

(I'll set an alarm clock for a couple of days time)

It would seem there was a whole variety of retaliation to the antifa attempts to prevent and counter protest the (licenced) protest meeting in the park by a variety of 'right-wing' groups

Those attempting to stopping them entering the park were not all "antifa" (whatever that actually is).
For example in the [url= http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html ]Slate link[/url] DrJ posted earlier the eyewitness describes how his local faith group, led by their reverend, stood with linked arms to try to block the way to the park. A group of 20-45 white supremacists approached with shields and batons and batons and pushed through - only then did some antifa guys show up and ask if they could help hold the line.

Yes, and I'm sure all the people who incorrectly accused me of lying will apologise.

Not inclined to, no.

You said there were [i]"stories coming out now that his car had been surrounded by antifa protesters attacking him and he was trying to get away"[/i]

But the only story (singular) you can point to is a single tweet made at the time, which was clarified with further tweets also made at the time, and doesn't say anything about a car surrounded by antifa protesters attacking the driver.

#fakenews

To be fair he then immediately went on about non-existent people chasing the car prior to the incident, usual troll grade cobblers

doesn't say anything about a car surrounded by antifa protesters attacking the driver.

To quote:

[i]"His car was being swarmed by protesters and some of them were getting violent (like the guy who punched me/threw me down)"[/i]

Actually:

[quote=ninfan ]Yes, and I'm sure all the people who incorrectly accused me of lying

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Oh so you can actually read other tweets then - so how come you missed the ones immediately after that when she said this wasn't eye witness and the police hadn't seen the videos yet?

And you made your accusation at a point when we had video footage of the attack which funnily enough doesn't show a car swarmed by protesters, it shows a car with no one near it, speeding towards a crowd of protesters:

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immediately after that

I'm wondering if there's a reason why I didn't read the tweets that came after I read the tweets that I read?

Edit for your edit:

it shows a car with no one near it, speeding towards a crowd of protesters:

What happened before that? All the videos I've seen begin no more than three or four seconds earlier than that... I presume you accept that it's possible that we don't actually have access or footage of the entire series of events

Yes I'm also wondering that.

Probably because I don't own a Tardis in order to go forward in time and read the tweets that she made after the tweets that I read

[url= https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/white-nationalists-are-taking-genetic-ancestry-tests-but-don-t-like-what-they-find-a3614171.html ]Bwahahahahaha.[/url]

De-evolved, I'd say.

😆 😆 😆

[quote=ninfan ]I'm wondering if there's a reason why I didn't read the tweets that came after I read the tweets that I read?

Yeah, I'm also wondering that, particularly given that the tweets which you did read, and the tweets which you apparently didn't read were all made at least 24 hours before your post on here.

Though I suppose it's an easy mistake to make when you're relying on a 3rd hand source which has reporting bias which fits in with your own preconceptions https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/

What happened before that? All the videos I've seen begin no more than three or four seconds earlier than that... I presume you accept that it's possible that we don't actually have access or footage of the entire series of events

Why don't you tell us, ninfan - you're the one making unsubstantiated claims here. Something which plausibly fits in with the available videos would be handy...

So you read that tweet. Decided that must be the real story. Then several hours later posted it on here and didn't think to go back and see if your "unverified" story had been verified? Even when the immediate response to your post was [i]"You only need to watch the footage to know that is a big load of bullshit."[/i]

i.e. footage containing images like the screenshot I posted above showing no one anywhere near the car.

You're missing a trick anyway, the [i]real[/i] right-wing nutters (who started at [i]"it was a liberal in the car"[/i]) have already given up the [i]"it was self defence from being attacked"[/i] argument and have now moved on to the good old [i]"false flag - didn't actually happen"[/i] argument.

[quote=ninfan ]Probably because I don't own a Tardis in order to go forward in time and read the tweets that she made after the tweets that I read

You needed a tardis to read tweets which had already been posted (at least 24 hours earlier) at the point you made your post?

Wow. I was amazed there were 25 pages here, I mean there's not much for any reasonable person to argue about. It's pretty clear that nazi scum are a bad thing for everyone.

And then I looked at it and saw it's just Ninfan trolling.

I presume you accept that it's possible that we don't actually have access or footage of the entire series of events

Of course.

But at the point of that still image we can see that there is no one near him or his seemingly undamaged car. He has a clear street behind him, but instead of reversing he is heading straight towards a a large crowd of people with no signs of braking.

Even if his car [i]was[/i] under attack at some unseen point prior to that footage, which is possible, at the moment pictured he has escape options and he chose to plough into a crowd instead.

Granted he may be someone like you that thinks the mere suggestion of a punch is a perfectly good reason to run someone over - but most sane people would disagree with that.

this is fabulous 😆

https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/897933282834354176

I'm wondering if there's a reason why I didn't read the tweets that came after I read the tweets that I read?

My guess is that you read the tweet cut and pasted on some far right supremacist website (that is in your favourites folder) and they had cherry picked what suited their narrative and ignored the truth.

So you weren't aware of the deletion and the subsequent retraction.

Close ?

Well to be fair it's not a far right supremacist website, neal (I was curious), but it has sufficient reporting bias (and I CBA checking the history to see what the page said at the time ninfan originally posted, I suspect it might have been even more biased) to suggest that the contributing posters weren't entirely neutral - it certainly doesn't contain the later tweets:

https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/

Assuming that is he was using it for reference at the time rather than desperately casting around for anything to support him later

Oh and of course when he reversed, seconds after the attack, it was back up an empty street with no signs of a crowd that could have been swarming his car:

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https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/897933282834354176

Blimey - nazi tears? - what a snowflake.

I presume you accept that it's possible that we don't actually have access or footage of the entire series of events

[s]I'm closing this indefinitely for a mark of respect to the tragedy in Barcelona.[/s]

Reopened.

3:58....brilliant...lol

for many San Franciscans, an unwelcome visit from members of the “alt-right” is an opportunity to fight back in the spirit of the city by the bay – with flower power, drag queens, a little creativity, and an assist from the animal kingdom

I love it 🙂

Refusing to meet them on their terms totally undermines the nazi cause, which is ultimately violence and war.

These creative measures are a fantastic way to avoid getting sucked into their sociopathic little role play.

Brilliant! 🙂

[url= http://www.shortlist.com/news/german-town-came-up-with-a-genius-way-of-humiliating-neo-nazis ]Tee Hee[/url]

I read the sponsor-a-nazi story yesterday. Brilliant. 😀