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Just had notice that my bank accounts are being closed because I don't live in the UK anymore. I still have income and outgoings there, though. So that's nice.
That one is just amusing mariner... which bit of "Leave the EU" does Johnson not get? And here's the worst thing... that's in the press because it's simple, easy to understand, and transparently an issue for the general public... behind the scenes this kind of shit is going on across all industries in way the public wouldn't grasp even if they were interested... with the government still failing to grasp what it is they were so insistent we have to do away with. Will o'the people.
i hope they are not going to shut my UK bank accounts , need them for the UK house .
The whole having cake/eating cake principle still hasn’t sunk in, has it?
They’re not a bright bunch, are they?
I'm still not sure if it's supreme arrogance, or incredible stupidity, but I suspect its an amazing hybrid fusion of the two.
UK bank accounts
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/09/thousands-of-british-expats-face-uk-account-closures/
It keeps better doesn't it?
Some more good news, this time from the motor racing world...
https://www.autosport.com/gt/news/152992/brexit-blamed-for-gtwce-silverstone-absence
Some more good news, this time from the motor racing world…
BSB aren't going to Assen either.
How much is related to Covid I don't know, but for a paddock that only does one international trip I'd guess that they looked at what they'd need to do (carnets etc) and thought "bu99er that".
Actually knowing how duplicitous this lot are, it wouldn’t surprise me that they’ve looked at the EU’s red line, not going to budge, points and explicitly demanded them so that the negotiations fail.
They are trying to ensure they 'fail'. Everyone with more than two brain cells knows there are going to be no benefits whatsoever coming to the 99.99% who aren't positioned to benefit personally.
This is really all about a massively disruptive 'event' that is designed to 'shake the pieces' of our society to allow privateering spivs in to make a stack of cash for themselves, then disappear overseas. It is a one-off, last chance heist of an economy in terminal decline and the interested parties are not going to miss this opportunity. No Deal is pretty much a nailed on certainty. Cummings is 'their man' and he has to deliver to get his payout. Total stitch up.
^^^
Basically just think of Brexit as a nation-level insider trade. It starts to make more sense that way. The key difference being that it is a destructive 'event' that is being staged as the perps don't hold the real interest in the 'company' (in this case our welfare state, health service, education, law enforcement etc).
The real short term spivs just need a nod and a wink and they can take positions against the pound. Overnight billions and a one way bet.
In the more medium term you have the outsourcing spivs circling the NHS, education etc. As the amount of cloth to be cut gets smaller they will be invited in, under tender, pocket a fortune, fail and transfer the mess back to the public purse. When someone asks the question about a recovery of the amount plundered you will find the perps offshored the cash about 30 seconds after they got it and are currently domiciled elsewhere. Recovering the cash will then become a massively long, drawn-out and (more snouts arrive at the trough) expensive process.
It is already happening. There are consultants being paid eye watering amounts investigating the effects of a No Deal on the NHS. Hundreds of thousands of pounds a day going out to a relatively small number of people researching the effects of an unnecessarily damaging act of self harm. Fishy, eh?
More evidence that mighty England may eventually be a very sad little country.
Scottish independence supporters are in the majority and who could blame them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54630729
I think that Scottish independence and a united Ireland are now a given. It's when not if.
But when that happens, the other thing to throw into the mix, given the shenanigans in Greater Manchester this last week, is the demand for proper regional devolution within England itself, which is now most firmly on the agenda.
I hope this is finally the death knell of dictatorial rule from London and the South East.
That'd be a nice 'Brexit Dividend'
Just now and then Brexit makes me smile. On TF1 this evening they had a report on 59.8% out voting Ashford and the lorry park being built opposite a toffy-nosed old person's delightful village. No mention of how they voted of course but there was not a word against Brexit, just the lorry park. Gloat me? Lots. I hope they park the refrigerated trucks just over the fence and the sex workers park their camper vans along the lane. 🙂
And some properly good news if reciprocated around Europe, which it will be:
No mention of how they voted of course but there was not a word against Brexit, just the lorry park.
Zero likelihood of a word against Brexit when the lorry park is all the fault of lily-livered remoaners, dirty foreigners etc.
Still, their quaint little village won't ever be quite so quaint again. I can see the photo of the village VE day street party 2021 now. Silly bunting, silly little union jacks being waved, cucumber sandwiches with the crusts cut off.... and a lorry driver having a piss in a lucozade bottle in the background....
🤣🇬🇧🤣🇬🇧🤣
My stepfather is a Brexit cheerleading, racist, Boris-supporting truck driver. Part of me hopes he spends a lot of time next year stuck in a traffic jam in Kent. Does this make me a bad person?
My stepfather is a Brexit cheerleading, racist, Boris-supporting truck driver. Part of me hopes he spends a lot of time next year stuck in a traffic jam in Kent. Does this make me a bad person?
No. He sounds like a twot, so discounting the beautiful schadenfreude, him being stuck in Kent means you'll see him less. I'd class that as a win-win.
brexit, noun
(toht - l - krap)
The undefined being negotiated by the unprepared in order to get the unspecified for the uninformed.
Any recent sightings of Field Marshall François or is he still on secret manoeuvres?
It's not just Francois - there seems to be a few politicians keeping heads down...
Does that mean Essex police are investigating more than one of them?
One can only hope
I’m particularly enjoying the current Twitter spat going on with the @tradegovuk account regarding their claim sent out during the great British bake off that Soy Sauce would be cheaper in future due to the new Japan trade deal... which is actually untrue. It’s made even better because they haven’t yet worked out how to spell Soy
Is that the Brexit Dividend then? Soy sauce will not be going up by 30%?
https://twitter.com/johnjcrace/status/1321415488900157443?s=21
Yesterday’s FT, meanwhile, was saying that we’ve now passed the point of no return and there will be chaos at the ports on January 1st even with a trade deal cobbled together.
Good job our economy will be in such robust good health at that point
Interesting discussion with my sister yesterday. Her (nurse) and her husband (police officer) both voted leave. Both said it was out of frustration with the ruling powers that be, and that anything was better than the situation they were in.
It's taken until yesterday, but she's now said it was a huge mistake and that they feel both lied to and stupid for having voted leave for the reasons they did. She had not realised the ramifications of not being in the EU anymore.
Anyone else seeing voter regret on either side? I'm wondering as a tough winter is upon us, with in 9 weeks (?) a Brexshit shambles, if we will see any more...
Nope. I only found out last weekend that one of my riding buddies is an ardent Brexshitter who doesn't want any sort of deal with the EU because we'll be able to get much better deals with everyone else. When pressed on who he means by "everyone else" he was somewhat unforthcoming but utterly unrepentant.
What happened to the halloween deadline for a final brexit deal? obviously covid is taking the headlines, but no where mentions the brexit halloween deadline, did it get extended?
There's supposed to be some sort of talks continuing. Sorry of. As BJ (well his minions) didn't walk away from talks as he threatened.... Because he's a lying shyster amongst other reasons. Understandably I think the EU just want rid now. We are a malignant growth off their coast like.
I suspect some bare minimum will get agreed which will make next to no difference. Its going to be bloody nasty next year and beyond. The EU will be damaged too but compared to the pain we will be going through....
What happened to the halloween deadline for a final brexit deal? obviously covid is taking the headlines, but no where mentions the brexit halloween deadline, did it get extended?
It all hangs on the US election. Everyone knows that if Biden is elected this week then the chances of a US/UK trade deal is dead in the water, as he has stated that the Good Friday Agreement is sacrosanct. If thats the case then Boris will have no choice but to:
a) accept whatever the EU offers him and try to sell it as a victory
b) take the UK economy already ravaged by covid, put a gun against the back of its head and pull the trigger
b) take the UK economy already ravaged by covid, put a gun against the back of its head and pull the trigger
In normal times that would sound completely mad. Now...😐
you make it sound like a US/UK trade deal under trump would be good, I cant imagine any trade deal like that would be to the benefit to the uk..
In normal times that would sound completely mad. Now…
I know. My sentiments exactly
What worries me is that we know Boris is a coward and was always going to bottle it, blink before the EU and then try to sell it as a victory. However, he is also a blithering incompetent and I fear he'll dither and delay as he tries to work out a sellable exit strategy and we'll simply drift past any deadline until its too late and a no-deal is then the default.
you make it sound like a US/UK trade deal under trump would be good, I cant imagine any trade deal like that would be to the benefit to the uk..
It'll be terrible, but as with everything around Brexit, there are no good options available to us. The alternative will be even worse. We'll effectively have no prospect of any trade deals in place with anyone.
By the second week of January Boris (or more likely his successor) will be on his knees, crawling to Brussels, pleading for some kind of deal
you make it sound like a US/UK trade deal under trump would be good, I cant imagine any trade deal like that would be to the benefit to the uk..
Whenever I've ever seen anyone UK-based talking of how Trump cares for the UK I've asked them, "which bit of America First has passed you by?".
Whoever is the President, they'll be looking to move their trade deficit with us into a surplus.
Whenever I’ve ever seen anyone UK-based talking of how Trump cares for the UK I’ve asked them, “which bit of America First has passed you by?”.
Whoever is the President, they’ll be looking to move their trade deficit with us into a surplus.
A million times this. Who could stand on, effectively, 'America Second'? To help out a little post-colonial twerp?
Not a chance. Anything lost now to the US is irreversible. It would be political suicide in the US to campaign otherwise.
Bollocks to Brexit.
Is that the Brexit Dividend then? Soy sauce will not be going up by 30%?
This is beyond satire. Essentially:
'On reflection, all we can claim is that soy sauce won't be more expensive than it would have been under the unbelievably terrible circumstances we have created for no real reason, except that most soy sauce doesn't come to us from Japan it's actually made in the Netherlands, so actually it still might get more expensive. We have no idea really'
Anyone else seeing voter regret on either side?
Think my dad has twigged how hard it will make things, especially with the blithering incompetent he voted in to run negotiations. He seems to understand that this isn't about his own blinkered bias on the EU but about the impact it will have on the lives of his grandchildren.
My mum frankly can't wait to anoint Farage as Fuhrer of the Second British Empire.
Anyone know what's going on? Has the government with the "oven ready" deal, that promised to "get brexit done", that turned down an offer to extend our current arrangements due to the pandemic, got everything in place for the end of next month? All sorted? Not even any snagging to sort? We're ready to go, yeah?
It's just that I keep getting this ad...
...and I'm sure it needs to be targeted at ministers, not me.
Popped up on a FB feed I follow of a local Anti-Brexit group, so take with a pinch of salt....
BREAKING NEWS:
From a very reliable source in the 'Tunnel... there will be a UK-EU trade deal agreed next week. I quote:
"Britain has CAVED. Unless someone in Westminster does something really stupid between now and then a deal will be signed." *clearly this cannot be ruled out!
this will give the UK access to the Single Market, tariff and quota free BUT with specific sanctions to be put on the UK if we lower standards or move away from the Level Playing Field on state aid etc. This means that the UK becomes a rule taker inasmuch as when the EU implement new regulations or standards, the UK MUST also implement those new rules too but without being in the room or being able to vote on drafting the new regulations.
importantly this agreement does NOT keep the UK in the Customs Union meaning that the worst case scenario of thousands of stranded trucks in Kent is still on the table as are the 30 million customs declarations required between GB and Northern Ireland, not to mention the hundreds of millions of new customs declarations required to ship from GB to EU customers.
Also: FISH. The UK will allow EU boats to continue to fish in UK waters, yes French ones too but the UKs quota will be gradually increased by agreement.
Based on history though, any new fishing quota issued to the UK will probably be sold to someone in Spain or Denmark in the future just like we did with our last ones.
Interesting. Boris will sell this to the UK as a "great oven ready deal" I'm sure.
More to come shortly.
Stalement over fishing according to the German news. Now too late to validate a deal in theory but in practice probably still time if any kind of agreement can be reached, which is doubtful given the number of red lines.
Fishing...most of the fish landed by UK fishermen is exported and most of the fish eaten in the UK is imported.
Go figure.
yeah from Jason J Hunter, whos not always most reliable, but pretty plugged in
https://twitter.com/JJHTweets/status/1323676818587734017
Giving way on fishing was always going to happen BUT they'll need a way to sell it as taking back control... so what's the plan? The EU have to ask us nicely every 12 months to keep access to mackerel in our waters, and then we make a lot of noise about expecting something in return to continue access... and then the EU say, "sure, you can sell us your langoustine", and so we says yes? Repeat year after year? But we have "control"?
Anyway...
01 JAN 2011
PREPARATION CAN TAKE
LONGER THAN YOU THINK
It was always going to boil down to the EU saying ‘there you go. Take it or ****in’ leave it’ as the cliff edge approached
You can’t have your cake and eat it? Who knew?
I’m looking forward to seeing how Boris is going to sell this a victory to the ERG Headbangers
welsh farmer has it right...
...the UKs quota will be gradually increased by agreement.
Based on history though, any new fishing quota issued to the UK will probably be sold to someone in Spain or Denmark in the future just like we did with our last ones.
Coming up next, UK to cave on state aid.
After that, johnson and his polyps begin to understand that irrespective of who wins the US election it won't be good news for a prospective trade deal.
I'll believe it when I see it, but Hunter is implying SM membership, that means FoM. Without the CU it Is still a crap deal for the UK economically. But far less disastrous than it could be.
****ing hell! Using the US election to hide this piece of news.
and just to be clear, if SM membership is on the table, honestly I think Rejoin is dead. The UK will not be in the EU for a generation. The appetite for a a repeat of the last few years isn't there.
Tariff free access to the single market not membership of.
there is no way we are going to be offered SM membership and no way Johnson and his cabal would accept it - it means accepting euro court
Has Hunter not read the withdrawal agreement? The customs stuff is already set out and was the main obstacle to signing the withdrawal agreement due to the need to keep the Irish border open. A customs union was never on the table. As for tarif and quota free access that was always on offer if Britain matched a load of EU rules. I'll be very surprised if the UK has climbed down on all of them so I remain sceptical.
IMO there's absolutely no chance there will be SM membership and/or FoM.
IMO there’s absolutely no chance there will be SM membership and/or FoM.
This is Johnson you're talking about, he would do anything to avoid taking a decision, and would happily stab anyone in the back. I don't think it'll happen but I think what happens tonight in the US matters.
I don't think he really gives a crap either way but the Brextremists would have an absolute fit.
I agree, mrmo. A Biden victory means the US being serious about the Good Friday Agreement. Which means the chances of US trade deal any time soon are low making some kind of deal with Europe an imperative.
and given the time constraints, the deal has to be easy to sign off in a couple of weeks. ie the UK caves.
01 JAN 2011
PREPARATION CAN TAKE
LONGER THAN YOU THINK
Relatively easy for Boris to spin a climb-down as "there was no alternative" due to the economic impact of a second lockdown. (Although whether Dom Cum will let him is another matter.)
I don’t think he really gives a crap either way but the Brextremists would have an absolute fit.
He’s got an 80 seat majority and no principles. He never believed in Brexit anyway. It was only ever a convenient means to an end
All this will be about is maths.
There are probably 40 truly mental hardcore ERG Brexiteer headbangers.
The irony of this situation being that it was the ERG Lot who voted for ‘the executive’ to be able to drive through Brexit legislation without the need for a parliamentary vote.
I doubt this is what they had in mind
The irony meter could potentially go off the scale here! 😂
4 of his cabinet are the Britannia Unchained Unhinged no deal true believers though.
You honestly think that if it’s expedient for him he won’t betray them as quickly as any of the paid-off mothers of his various children?
He’s got an 80 seat majority and no principles.
yeah but a decent proportion of those will be against it and by holding out they will get their disaster capitalism hard exit. That said probably not enough to stop the backing from every other party.
If it did happen I would need to change my mind about a leadership context not being likely for several years.
One upside is the moron ministers would surely have to go and be replaced by someone chosen for a reason more compelling than brexit look.
Cummings is only there because the No Deal Paymasters want him there to hold De Pfeffel's feet to the fire. Bugger all to do with his 'genius', he is there because De Pfeffel was told he had to have him.
My money would still be on No Deal.
Although the Nicotine Toad's reappearance might betray his unease, trying to put the squeeze on Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson 'Man of The People' to drive us off the cliff.
I dearly hope so. I dearly hope 'we' are utterly 'humiliated' by this and go back, cap in hand, to be rule takers. Our true place in the world laid bare. That will be the Brexiteers' true legacy - actually lifting the veil of bullshit and assumed superiority to show what is really there.
danny - don't forget that any EU country can veto a membership application; so Hungary, for example, has a veto power equal to that of Germany.
There would be pressure behind the scenes for unanimity but the power of that veto should not be ignored if the UK ever re-applied for EU membership.
This thread has gone completely nuts. Very funny.
This thread has gone completely nuts. Very funny.
If you could just pop that list of Brexit benefits as you see them up on here, that would be great.
If you could just pop that list of Brexit benefits as you see them up on here, that would be great
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.
Not got any, then?
No surprise there. Four and a half years and still ****ing clueless.
<Looks at an imagined watch in an exaggerated way, shrugs, gets on with being a grown up>
If you could just pop that list of Brexit benefits as you see them up on here, that would be great
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.No. Shan’t. Ya boo sucks etc.
No place for such content on this thread, much better keeping to wacko conspiracy theories especially now there is a gap in the market with Icke being banned from Twitter.
you won we lost get over it
I lost actually, I voted remain and I got over it years ago - recommend it.
mefty do you do anything other than just pop up occasionally and sneer in these threads? What does this bring to your life exactly?
Some of the conspiracy theories are pretty daft though admittedly.
mefty do you do anything other than just pop up occasionally and sneer in these threads? What does this bring to your life exactly?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
do you do anything other than just pop up occasionally and sneer in these threads?
Sneering is all anyone does in these threads, isn't it? But good to prick the bubble occasionally.
What does this bring to your life exactly?
Absolutely nothing, posting on here is largely a waste of anyone's life.
Absolutely nothing, posting on here is largely a waste of anyone’s life.
That'll be the last we hear from you on this, then.
👍
Apologies. I'm pretty resigned to things too.
The residents of OAB_Towers are now enjoying the benefits of Brexshit.
A renewed passport arrived today.
If Biden wins, can't he just clap Angry Tinkerbell in irons on charges of treason or undermining the constitution or tax evasion and 'lose' him?
Or get the CIA to arrange 'an accident'?
Crossing the streams Danny?
Crossing the streams Danny?
'Fraid so. Trump & Brexit are the same thing for me - pumped up stupidity masquerading as confidence...
Let's remember whether it's Trump or Biden who become President they'll be looking for the same thing, turn the UK's trade surplus with the USA into a trade deficit.
Yes, but one of them holds the Good Friday Agreement as sacrosanct. One doesn't give a toss about the Good Friday Agreement. I doubt he even knows what it is.
The result of the US election changes the whole complexion of the Brexit negotiations completely. If Biden wins then there are no further Brexit negotiations. There's going to be no trade deal with America with Boris spouting a load of old shite about borders in Kent, and associated 'magical thinking'.
A biden win means Boris is going to have to just accept whatever the EU is feeling benevolent enough to offer him. Its too late to save us from ourselves but a Biden victory will mitigate the worst downsides of Brexit as Boris will have to accept that there can be no borders in Ireland, with all the implications of that ie: regulatory alignment with the single market.
The ERG headbangers will go nuts, saying its 'Brexit in Name Only' but it'd be somewhat ironic if that is forced on the by the country they all idolise
Not just that binners; Biden is much more focussed on the EU than the UK.
If elected, one of his first meetings will be with Merkel; johnson will be a long way down the queue.
A UK trade deal is nowhere near the top of Biden's to do list.
Will be interesting to see who Pres Joe will appoint as his Ambassador to the Court of St James.