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“yeah, it’ll have been just as bad, no worse, if we’d stayed in”
Although the evidence to counter that will be will be waving back at us from across La Manche.
People don't look there... except for the odd ramblings of 'journalists' like Johnson & Gove... for example, they still have no idea that Germany were contributing twice what we were to run the little bunch of civil servants in Brussels that were helping to improve all our lives.
Smuggler’s charter, no need for importers to file paperwork or pay duties for 6 months. Cue truckloads of counterfeit products, sub-standard foods and god knows what else coming our way - those Albanian gangsters must be laughing all the way to the docks!
Cue truckloads of counterfeit products, sub-standard foods and god knows what else coming our way – those Albanian gangsters must be laughing all the way to the docks!
Presumably we are going to use them as a case study so we can do the same in an international way when we are 'free'.
Daniel Hannan on the Board of Trade.
Everyone remember to sing to "Rule Britannia" with tears in your eyes on the last night of the proms.
That means our position in the Single Market isn’t under threat from anyone now, yes?
And Marcus Fysh as Deputy President.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa.
I understand their willingness (in their own political self interests) to fail to get us a good trade deal with our neighbours, but this team seems designed to sabotage our trade policy as a whole… appointing them must be a deliberate sabotaging of the UK, no?
Some excellent bullshit from David Frost today… happily blaming May’s government for “blinking”… (I thought it was Johnson’s government that signed the Withdrawl Agreement, but hey)… and talking up No Deal (yes, we’re back to the ground zero approach again).
Some excellent bullshit from David Frost today… happily blaming May’s government for “blinking”… (I thought it was Johnson’s government that signed the Withdrawl Agreement, but hey)… and talking up No Deal (yes, we’re back to the ground zero approach again).
Frost is a cretin.
Get anyone you like, though. Tony Abbott, Mother Theresa, Alan Sugar, Albert Einstein, Sigmund Freud, St Francis of Assisi...... whoever. It doesn't matter. When the 'deal' you are trying to negotiate is so utterly childish and stupid (entirely in keeping with Brexit itself) then you aren't going to get it. Basically kicking former partners in the balls then asking them to help you undercut and undermine them five minutes later? Idiots.
It is no coincidence that everything so far 'delivered' by Brexit has been to the detriment of the UK. It is no coincidence that one of the key things it has 'delivered' is a government of clowns and opportunists led by the biggest clown/opportunist of them all.
****ing shambles.
Whilst doing a bit of bike maintenance and general household tidying I tried to think of anyone who could possibly get the 'deal' that 'we' seem to be 'pursuing' with the EU. I.e. 100% cake-eatism.
I indulged my inner Dom and though outside the box. And then it came to me. A hypnotist! A proper, full scale hypnotist.
But then I remembered who is on charge. Even if hypnotists could actually succeed here I reckon this bunch of prats would end up with this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd79Ie_vWyQ
For a massive fee, naturally.
Oven Ready?
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1302701541674160134
I still think this is a bluff, it meeans
Hard Border in Ireland
an extra 5pts? for Sturgeon in Holyrood elections in a few months
Will Johnson blow it all that up just to get out if a bind he created for himself?
Government to introduce legislation this week that could override agreements already in place concerning the NI border and State Aid...
EU suggest this is a "self-defeating" strategy. Surely not? Smacks of deliberate sabotage...
Full steam ahead for not only no deal but the UK as an international pariah who absolutely nobody will trust as any deal it signs won’t be worth the paper it’s written on.
The Disaster Capitalists who backed Johnson will be getting their pay off, big time
The rest of us are ****ed!!
The UK is now officially the Crimson Permanent Assurance
Yup, Sturgeon wasting no time weaponising this
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1302711937873121284?s=19
Johnson snookered himself because he had no idea what he was agreeing to with the Withdrawal Agreement
Is he really stupid enough to make an even worse mistake that will bite him in the arse on an even bigger scale afterwards ?
I still think it's a bluff
Is he really stupid enough to make an even worse mistake that will bite him in the arse on an even bigger scale afterwards ?
I do believe he is.
A message has been sent out… you can not trust the UK… it will be heard by all governments, not just those in Europe. It will be heard by the people of NI as well.
Is he really stupid enough to make an even worse mistake that will bite him in the arse on an even bigger scale afterwards ?
He doesn’t care either way. He got brexit done, if it goes bad he’ll **** off somewhere sunny.
Fascinating.
I'm sure the governments of the world will be well aware that it's just Johnson his party that are idiots, and that we have a credible opposition leader who'd bring things back to normal AND a credible alternative Tory leader. So they'll be waiting for the inevitable collapse of this government and its replacement with something sensible. Which given the polls is only a matter of time.
As will the UK parliament too. Labour have already set out their stall but it'll be very interesting how the Tories view this, they will surely be sharpening their knives and moving in behind Sunak. All the 1922 committee has to do is get rid of Johnson and they can start to undo this mess.
We’re at the point where our leaders/heads of state are Tweeting at each other.
This is the future. Nationalism driven by austerity, misinformation and bigotry. Populism driven by Twitter and Youtube comment-feeds. A binary Punch and Judy Show of yore except now with the head propagandists tugging on Big Data behind the curtains. Instant reach and influence. It’ll be a jolly wheeze. Look how it’s been working out this last decade and it’s just warming up?
From the Irish Times.
All this in reference to basically reneging on the withdrawal deal...
It is a very blunt instrument,” said one of those familiar with the matter. “The bill will explicitly say the government reserves the right to set its own regime, directly setting up UK law in opposition with obligations under the withdrawal agreement, and in full cognisance that this will breach international law.
A second person familiar with the impending bill said that Lord Frost had personally driven the decision to take the “nuclear option” of overwriting the withdrawal agreement, despite progress being made in talks on implementing the Irish protocol
Christophe Hansen, the European Parliament’s lead MEP for the adoption of the future trade agreement, told the Financial Times that the full respect of the withdrawal agreement was a core “trust” issue and a “litmus test” of the UK’s willingness to honour deals with Brussels.
Holy shit. Historians well be debating how a G7 economy willingly buried itself for hundreds of years. The politics behind it,yes, but the psychology too.
Oh, just to remember, Covid cases "rise sharply" to highest since 22 May. At a time when we need all the good will we can muster and all the international cooperation we can count on.... We throw a grenade at our nearest and largest trading partner whilst giving them the finger.
We have one hell of a Winter to come...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54050342
Well. F******. Done. Brexit.
Lord Frost had personally driven the decision to take the “nuclear option” of overwriting the withdrawal agreement,
Thank heavens we took back control from unelected bureaucrats.
Sturgeon has some brass neck. The main reason Boris has been emboldened to do idiotic things like this is his extended majority which he wouldn't have if Sturgeon and Swinson hadn't railroaded labour into an early election. I don't really blame her, independence is Scotland's best option to get back in the EU, but I do wonder why she's idolised by English remainers when she effectively threw them under the bus.
she effectively threw them under the bus.
Marxist Grandad was never getting in. I know people who voted tory for the first time ever because of him.
BLaming Sturgeon is a bit of a reach.
I know people who voted tory for the first time ever because of him.
How's that working out for them?
BLaming Sturgeon is a bit of a reach.
You might almost say 'contortion'.
Labour Party are a near irrelevance in Scotland having actively colluded with the Tories in opposing the SNP. If Labour have any hope of Government, they will need to form an alliance with SNP - saying otherwise is deluded nonsense and will condemn Labour to the opposition benches for a long time to come.
WTF Sturgeon has to do with this 100% home-grown little Englander xenophobic jingoistic delusional fantasy is a complete mystery.
But I am missing THM’s naively gullible belief that it’s all being sorted out behind the scenes by some adults. I could really do with some of that right now.
Best case scenario, the UK loses the war as quickly as possible and learns a painful lesson.
Sturgeon is more cautious than ever about indy
Ironic that the hardest of brexits all but guarantees her a stonking majority at Hollyrood & winning indyref2, but means a hard border between Scotland & England.
Either way Johnsons attempts to bully EU are a gift to her
Utterly predictable.
'We' are back where we were always going to be.
Holding a gun to our own head and threatening the EU with an expensive dry cleaning bill.
Childish, petulant, stupid, counterproductive.
Entirely in keeping with the larger 'project', then.
This latest dead cat is still a bluff
It just shows how desperate Johnson is for a deal
He will throw fishing under the bus
But he needs a deal with concessions on state aid, otherwise not Nissan, Airbus etc will leave
It's desperate & I'm not sure it'll work anyway
Read this when I woke up and instantly fell into despair.
What he's doing is guaranteeing a No Deal, setting us up to break international law and making any hope of trading with the EU all but impossible. ANY country that we deal with from January on will want so many legal guarantees, make us give in to painful concessions and view us with a level of distrust that we will be in the international wilderness for at least the next generation.
Boris is a **** and if I ever see him I will gladly punch him until I'm either arrested or my wrists fall off. So angry right now.
Sturgeon isn't pushing Indy because Boris is doing a far better job of handing it to her than she could do talking about it. I think between Covid and Brexit the winter of discontent in the 70's will look decidedly rosy compared to this winter (assuming Boris gets his inept way)
I think describing Boris as inept is being very charitable towards him. He understands the consequences of his decisions he just couldn't give a flying one. This latest is straight out of Trump's playbook.
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
Not if my MPs responses to any of my letters of concern are anything to go by...
Resident of NI. Genuinely worried these reports today are true. Very obvious the direction things would go very quickly.
I think describing Boris as inept is being very charitable towards him. He understands the consequences of his decisions he just couldn’t give a flying one. This latest is straight out of Trump’s playbook.
Johnson is a prisoner of his own lies. Just like all liars.
He lies both consciously (to 'get stuff done') but also on the hoof due to his lack of attention to detail.
This is hopefully going to expose him to enough of his support as the charlatan he is.
Marxist Grandad was never getting in. I know people who voted tory for the first time ever because of him.
That's completely missing the point. Boris would never have been able to do what he's doing now with no majority. Sturgeon and Swinson went for an early election out of narrow self-interest. Maybe justified in Sturgeon's case, but a case of mind-bending hubris and naivety from Swinson. They abandoned the remain cause just when they were needed most. If they'd not given in to short term self interest then they could have used the threat of a no confidence vote to stop Boris going for a no deal. And now that remain is defeated due to their politicking, Starmer and labour have even less interest in brexit than Corbyn did. What a result.
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
Has that ship not sailed?
Absolutely all of this is down to the internal Tory division over Europe and where the UK fits into it. Cameron's attempt at resolving this led us to where we are now, and the disaster capitalist lunatic fringe that has agitated for this situation for so long now appears to be in charge, having weaponised stupidity and ignorance to the extent that there no longer appears to be a coherent Tory middle ground rump to rein this in.
We seem to have gone worryingly quickly from "we aren't planning for a No Deal because we'll get a great deal" and "the easiest deal in history" to saying "oh actually, No Deal can still be a good outcome".
At some point, this bluster and bravado has to come home to roost surely?
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
The Conservative Party is no more. It's been hollowed out. Looking for anyone left in there to act in the national interest, rather then blindly following the Vote Leave team down the rabbit hole, is futile.
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Oh, I see Dazh is still ignoring that Corbyn used nearly every speech and interview he gave to call for an election... it was all the other idiot leaders' fault we had an election in place of a "measure twice, cut once" referendum.
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“oh actually, No Deal can still be a good outcome”
Worse than that... Johnson once called a No Deal outcome "a failure of statecraft" ... and now claims that "it's a good outcome for the UK, as I've said all along".
At some point, this bluster and bravado has to come home to roost surely?
If it doesn't then that is the time to emigrate. If enough people are either thick enough or cynical enough to keep saying Brexit is a good idea, we are ****ed. If that is the case, after Johnson has shat everywhere and run off, there is an uncomfortable likelihood the UK will go down the 'Strong Leader' path. 90 years is long enough to forget.
Hopefully not. Hopefully the 'normal' Tory MPs who cynically hitched a lift on the bullshit bus will get fed up of their constituents (and the public in general) asking questions like:
"You promised £350m a week for the NHS, yet I am waiting twice as long as I would have a year ago for 'x'"
"Jobs, jobs, jobs. You promised me a job. There are less jobs than there used to be and the ones that are there are poorly paid and have bare minimum standards"
Or.
"Mr & Mrs Patel still live next door. I thought you were deporting them".
Kelvin it's a simple fact that the reason an election happened was because Swinson refused to work with labour towards a no confidence motion which would have resulted in Corbyn being PM. She naively thought she could be PM and so joined Sturgeon in supporting an election. At that point labour had no choice, and now we are where are, accelerating towards a no deal with almost no opposition because Starmer is rightly staying well clear of it. Labour were burned by the Scottish Referendum vote, and then by brexit. I doubt they'll be engaging much with either subject from now on.
Email from Boris via the Con Party today...
We are now entering the final phase of our negotiations with the EU.
The EU have been very clear about the timetable. I am too.
There needs to be an agreement with our European friends by the time of the European Council on 15 October.
If we can’t agree by then, then I do not see that there will be a free trade agreement between us, and we should both accept that and move on.
We’ll then have a trading arrangement with the EU like Australia’s.
I want to be absolutely clear that, as we have said right from the start, that would be a good outcome for the UK.
As a Government we’re preparing, at our borders and at our ports, to be ready for it.
We will have full control over our laws, our rules, and our fishing waters.
We will have the freedom to do trade deals with every country in the world. And we will prosper mightily as a result.
We will of course always be ready to talk to our EU friends even in these circumstances. Our door will never be closed and we will trade as friends and partners – but without a free trade agreement.
There is still an agreement to be had and we will continue to work hard in September to achieve it.
It is one based on our reasonable proposal for a standard free trade agreement like the one the EU has agreed with Canada and so many others.
Even at this late stage, if the EU are ready to rethink their current positions and agree this I will be delighted.
But we cannot and will not compromise on the fundamentals of what it means to be an independent country to get it.
If it doesn’t then that is the time to emigrate. If enough people are either thick enough or cynical enough to keep saying Brexit is a good idea, we are ****ed.
What are you waiting for? Very little has changed since December when the UK electorate gave a massive rubber stamp of approval for brexit in its most extreme form. There's even less opposition now than there was then. Most people are more worried about covid and the economic fallout from that, and the Labour Party won't touch it with a bargepole for obvious reasons. I've been listening carefully for any labour reaction to this morning's news. Absolutely nothing, not even one of Starmer's empty say nothing tweets.
Dazh, don't go blaming this on anyone else. This is completely, one hundred percent, the fault of Boris, the Tory party and it's ukip mates, and the idiots that believed their bullshit.
Next you'll be saying it's the fault of the Germans because they didn't blow his dad up in the war.
This is completely, one hundred percent, the fault of Boris, the Tory party and it’s ukip mates, and the idiots that believed their bullshit.
Absolutely, but you can't deny that the actions of Sturgeon and Swinson back in the autumn have helped them. There was a clear alternative to this, but Sturgeon and Swinson chose an election instead. Had they put aside their own self interest and hubris, we would have had a caretaker labour/coalition government organising a second referendum now. They probably would still have lost it I reckon, but remain would still have been in the game instead of dead and buried.
So you're a foreign government with a UK trade deal nearing agreement e.g. Japan and you hear today's news - are you still in a hurry to sign? Not a chance, you're going to wait to let the UK crash and burn because you know they're going to be desperate.So what happened to "we hold all the cards.."?
but you can’t deny that the actions of Sturgeon and Swinson back in the autumn have helped them.
Does this little re-imagined fantasy retelling of the last election come with it's own interpretative dance ensemble, or is it a spoken word piece?
It'll come from a right leaning Facebook group that is already sowing the seeds of blame on anybody else
re-imagined fantasy retelling
Tory MPs voting to make Corbyn PM… the fantasy that will never die.
We’ll then have a trading arrangement with the EU like Australia’s.
Of course, and we must keep saying this, Australia has arrangements with the EU for it’s main exports, raw materials and agricultural products, so “No Deal” is not the same trading arrangement as Australia. Also, Austria has lots of deeper arrangements with it’s neighbours, they are not crazy enough to throw all those away in one go… no country would be.
you’re going to wait to let the UK crash and burn because you know they’re going to be desperate
Well, that’s the approach the USA have taken… smaller countries may well take a different approach, but the big players can afford wait and take advantage of what is coming.
dazh
Full Member
Kelvin it’s a simple fact that
...it's a complex multifactorial issue with many different paths and lots of blame to spread around. Corbyn only wanted his own impossible unicorn brexit, it might have been a bit less shit than the current shitshow but it would still have been shit.
Does this little re-imagined fantasy
It's hardly a fantasy. There was a clear alternative on the table. They had the numbers, and a rough plan, but it was rejected by the SNP and the Lib dems (and 'anti-brexit' tories who strangely all voted for it). All it needed was for remainers in the commons to put aside their non-brexit differences but they chose not to. I'm not saying it would have been easy or a certainty, but they didn't even try.
Anyway doesn't matter now, and I'm pretty sure it would only have kicked the can down the road a year or two til they lost a second referendum. One thing that is certain is that the brexit opposition was a clear and unimitigated failure. At every stage they did the wrong thing, and played right into the hands of the ERG nutters. Outflanked by Francois and Rees Mogg. That's quiite a thing to have to live with.
The rebel Tory MPs were never going to vote for Corbyn to be PM.
The rebel Tory MPs were never going to vote for Corbyn to be PM.
I'm inclined to agree but we'll never know because they weren't given the opportunity thanks to Swinson and Sturgeon's antics. There was plenty room to negotiate the terms of a temporary labour govt, but they couldn't be arsed. The result is where we are now.
We do know, they were asked.
Dazh, you're kind of missing the point that Sturgeon and Swinson knew that putting Magic Grandpa in as caretaker PM was toxic - they knew that Brexit was a stink but he was an even shittier prospect
We do know, they were asked.
Being asked their opinion and how they vote when the chips are down are entirely different things. Clarke had signalled he would be willing to talk about it, others would have followed. I have no idea if it would have succeeded but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have panned out as everyone assumed or was saying in public. In the end the situation was forced by Swinson and Sturgeon. Swinson calculated (spectacularly wrongly as it turned out) that she had a better chance of being PM than Corbyn, Sturgeon sat back and let it happen because she wanted an election asap. So like I said, Sturgeon has some brass neck. At least Swinson is keeping quiet and has gracefully disappeared.
I'm sorry, this is just the made up delusions of someone making excuses for voting for this shit. The SNP, labour party or liberal party aren't to blame.
BLAME THE ****ING TORYS
I’m sorry, this is just the made up delusions of someone making excuses for voting for this shit.
You've lost me. The events of the autumn are on record and plain to see for anyone who wishes to look. I don't know what purpose denying the abject failure of remainers in parliament serves but if it makes you feel better then carry on. It's hardly a surprise things are turning out as they are if the limit of opposition to brexit is basically shouting at Boris and those who voted for him about how awful they are.
Johnson's gamble probably won't pay off
Im not sure the EU will blink, undermining the withdrawal treaty he'd already signed is exactly something the EU won't deal with.
The question is what happens next?
Government has already started building infrastructure for ni north sea border checks, so it'll be a humiliating climb down come Xmas for Johnson.
PS. This is the first time I've got involved in any brexit chat since the election and I see not much has changed 😉
Move on, get over it. I guarantee you'll all feel better for it. I know I do.
I wonder to what extent Nigel Farage withdrawing candidates in 317 seats threw a spanner in the election calculations by Labour and the Lib Dems?
Move on, get over it. I guarantee you’ll all feel better for it. I know I do.
I won't if I lose my ****ing job as a result (unlikely, but never say never).
Nor will anyone else, I think.
Move on, get over it. I guarantee you’ll all feel better for it. I know I do.
You're posting in a "Brexit 2020+" thread, and admonishing people for discussing the impact and handling of Brexit now and in the future... because...?
We'd stayed well away from talking about what happened before we left the EU, and were discussing what is occurring on a day by day basis right now... it was you [edit: sorry, I see that your comment was a reply to someone else, so it wasn't initially down to you] that threw in some irrelevance about the mess of last year.
Nor will anyone else, I think.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it won't negatively affect people, it absolutely will. But there's no point worrying about stuff you can't change. The only viable option is to accept it and try to adapt if required.
sorry, I see that your comment was a reply to someone else, so it wasn’t initially down to you
Well TBF it went off on a bit of a wormhole but I still feel it necessary to point out the irony of holding up the likes of Sturgeon as a remain hero when she was one of the main culprits in its defeat. I guess the main point is that they ALL failed miserably against a motley crew of nutters and narcissists. That's quite an indictment of so-called sensible, grown up, experienced politicians from the centrist establishment.
Starmer and labour have even less interest in brexit than Corbyn did. What a result.
In fairness What should/can they do at this point? The public themselves have limited interest and Brexit fatigue, plus theres been a couple of other things happening lately...
Dom/Boris ("Doris"?) and the ERG now fuly own what is left of the "conservative party", a Parliamentary majority, have pretty tight control of the "Meeja narrative" and a massive bag of dead cats ready to distract the great unwashed.
Whatever opposition to the current Brexit trajectory is put up will be steamrolled, it is happening. That's it basically... It's time to plan for the next battle.
All that Kier and Co. can really do at this point is watch and take notes, hoping that the combination of wild promises that will be broken, the general misshandling of CV19 and an impending recession will finally open some eyes to the reality of the Great Brexit Grift meaning Bozza becomes a one-term wonder (although there is still plenty of time for the planned smash and grab)...
Right now Starmer looks like a potential PM in waiting (IMO).
Unfortunately that's going to be a long wait, during which time the arguments for a Labour government can be sharpened up BUT don't be suprised if Cummings turns his attentions to the next smear campaign (starting maybe Q4 2022?) on the off chance that they can paint Sir Kier as either a political "Establishment" figure or the next Loony lefty "Marxist" whichever fits the propaganda best...
Absolutely, but you can’t deny that the actions of Sturgeon and Swinson back in the autumn have helped them. There was a clear alternative to this, but Sturgeon and Swinson chose an election instead. Had they put aside their own self interest and hubris, we would have had a caretaker labour/coalition government organising a second referendum now. They probably would still have lost it I reckon, but remain would still have been in the game instead of dead and buried.
I'm not sure this exactly matches most people's memories of the run up to the GE. I'll not deny the "moderate" Remain side of our national politics failed to offer as unified an opposition as they perhaps could, but with the benefit of hindsight I think it's safe to say Team Boris played the game better.
Full on brinksmanship; wind up the electorate with blocked vote after blocked vote, then paint the picture of an "undemocratic political establishment" happy to ignore the "Will of the people" to some extent it didn't really matter how much of a cross-party remain coalition there was, it would probably still have played into the narrative Cummings wanted to construct...
If you have to blame an opposition party leader, blame Corbyn, at one point He had soaring popularity with young voters (via momentum), and I'm pretty sure he could have mobilised many the 48% of us that supported Remain back in 2016. He was leader of the opposition and he pissed it away by being generally ambivalent on the one burning issue of the time and not wanting to commit on a cause his main voter base felt pasionate about...
He was leader of the opposition and he pissed it away by being generally ambivalent on the one burning issue of the time
Corbyn was pro-brexit. Always was, always will be. It was his party which was ambivalent, and he was a prisoner to that situation. In the end the brexit wing of the labour party were correct in the damage it would do, but that's little consolation.
You have Sturgeons action and words badly wrong
Sturgeon is just about the only leader with no blame to share... the Scottish government put forward a series of proposals for leaving the EU in a manner that wouldn't further damage the union of the home countries, despite it arguably being in the interest of those in favour of Scottish independence for the UK to head down the destructive route the likes ERG and others have successfully pushed us towards. That was real "the people of Scotland before my own political ambitions" stuff, and, as someone who wants Scotland to stay in the UK, that seriously impressed me. As for the dance that took place before the last election... the SNP played a bigger role, in the courts and in parliament, in trying to stop a No Deal Brexit than any of the "UK wide" parties. All the options other than an election were coming from them, not being stopped by them. Cherry in particular was outstanding. This hard Brexit is not the fault of the SNP in any way.
TJ she said all the things required to keep her within deniable distance but its pretty clear that an early election was her priority. There were many things she could have done to help the remain cause but didn't because it would have damaged the independence drive.
I'm not sure why corbyns incompetence needs to derail the brexit thread
I still don't think Johnson/Cummings daft enough to go thru with no deal
Nonsense. Complete piffle
An election was her preferred option but she would have got behind any attempt to stop Brexit and indeed did so
Don't believe the lies of the unionist press
Dazh is just trying to blame anyone else but himself for voting for this.
And where are you getting this from? Facebook?
Don't all opposition leaders want an election, always? Especially when the incumbent government are clinging on by their nails. Didn't we hear little else from Corbyn whenever other possibilities came up, for two solid years?
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Back to "today"... a "no10 spokesperson" says that the new bills won't tear up the NI part of the Withdrawal Agreement after all. [who, what, why ... dunno, and I don't know why they are still reporting this kind of flim flam with such plausible deniability]
Dazh is just trying to blame anyone else but himself for voting for this.
???
Voted remain. Would do again tomorrow without thinking about it and would vote to rejoin. You're not the first to make that mistake though.