Brexit 2020+

And in news from a parallel universe….
From BBC newsfeed
No extension to Brexit transition – Gove
Cabinet minister Michael Gove has insisted there won’t be an extension to the Brexit transition period past the end of this year.
Appearing remotely in front of the Brexit Select Committee, Mr Gove said “we believe it is entirely possible to conclude negotiations” on the current timeframe.
He said “just shy of 100” civil servants have been redeployed from work on a Brexit deal to dealing with the coronavirus.
He predicted the odds of a deal are “better than two to one.”

Michael Gove is a piss artist and a ****.

Surely nobody with anything between their ears (which rules out Gove) seriously thinks this countries economy will be in any fit state to be plunged into another massive economic shock at the end of the year.

It would be economically, but more importantly politically suicidal!

It would be economically, but more importantly politically suicidal!

I guess it depends if the real backers of Brexit will have run out of patience for their payouts by then.

Remember, they can sink the Tories and possibly land a few people in jail or make them public enemy number one with a ‘leaked dossier’. It might be worth the risk if you are looking at it from their point of view.

seriously thinks this countries economy will be in any fit state to be plunged into another massive economic shock at the end of the year

Alternatively, this is the perfect time to do it. Any downsides can be blamed on COVID and when the global economy starts to pick up as everything returns to (something more like) normal it’ll be Bulldog Bozza’s Brexit Boost™.

I’m sure the agents of Brexit see this as a perfect opportunity to manufacture a no deal and hide it within a coronavirus.

November is still some time away however. I wonder what the public mood will be by then? I can’t see the public just rolling over and accepting a catastrophe. The tub thumping, flag waving Brexiters are not going to be the loudest voices come Autumn.

In the ‘new Labour leadership’ thread a couple of months back most had surrendered to the idea of 10 more years of Tory rule. I suggested things are far more random than that and Labour should attune themselves to the possibility of unexpected events. My response then was ‘coronavirus anyone’.

There will be more unexpected events before Autumn. Labour need to get their act together. Asking about exit strategies and finger pointing with regards preparedness (Labour weren’t really flagging up this emergency either) is not effective opposition. They need to address both Brexit and the broader economic mistakes that helped get us here and are about to be repeated.

It’s an amazing statement that…

“there won’t be an extension to the Brexit transition period past the end of this year.”

“we believe it is entirely possible to conclude negotiations” “the odds of a deal are “better than two to one.”

So you’re committing to no extension on the basis of 2:1 odds of getting the job done in time. You wouldn’t use that logic if you were getting some decorating done never mind this.

But as me and Bails said, the problem is that this is an opportunity to smash through brexit without caring in the slightest about economic damage because it can all be blamed on corona, and all the brexies will be happy that the EU and the states are also struggling even if it’s way less. Whereas if they delay it til after corona, all the brexit damage arrives just as we’re starting to get over corona, and Boris and Gove and Farage and Raab end up hanging from a lamppost.

Boris and Gove and Farage and Raab end up hanging from a lamppost.

Oh don’t tease me.

November is still some time away however. I wonder what the public mood will be by then? I can’t see the public just rolling over and accepting a catastrophe. The tub thumping, flag waving Brexiters are not going to be the loudest voices come Autumn.

But by then it will be too late. An extension has to be requested by mid-summer (some time in July, iirc). Worse, the legislation already passed puts that decision wholly in Bloody Stupid Johnson’s hands; Parliament don’t get a say. We’re well-and-trulied already.

It’s always been the aim to have no deal and to blame the EU

Corona gives them something to blame for the economic damage

Alternatively, this is the perfect time to do it. Any downsides can be blamed on COVID and when the global economy starts to pick up as everything returns to (something more like) normal it’ll be Bulldog Bozza’s Brexit Boost™.

+1

its absolute raving madness, but here we are

Alternatively, this is the perfect time to do it. Any downsides can be blamed on COVID and when the global economy starts to pick up as everything returns to (something more like) normal it’ll be Bulldog Bozza’s Brexit Boost™.

Yep it’s not like you can stage a massive protest march 🙂

Probably crash out of talks June/July all down to the EU and then sometime later the fantastic UK-US deal will be unveiled in all its majesty.

Or not, strange times.

It’s always been the aim to have no deal and to blame the EU

Corona gives them something to blame for the economic damage

I think this is how it will pan out

PnilO

As you say, an extension needs to be requested by mid summer, ergo my suggestion that Labour flag up the impending danger of sailing into a no deal brexit with a skeleton brexit staff. Opposition MP’s really need to bring the focus on to economic issues. The media also. They missed the threat posed by coronavirus as much as any politician. Now they indulge in endless articles and bulletins about wether wearing a mask gives you a false sense of security, wether you can sunbathe or not and many other coronavirus questions that have become completely rhetorical. Meanwhile the government is driving the bus off the edge of a cliff.

Corona gives them something to blame for the economic damage

I dunno – when the rest of the world returns to normal and things are still shit here people might take notice.

you are most charitable in your assignation of intelligence and wit to the general public, molgrips

I’m sure the agents of Brexit see this as a perfect opportunity to manufacture a no deal and hide it within a coronavirus.

It’s a great year to hide bad news.

you are most charitable in your assignation of intelligence and wit to the general public, molgrips

Trust me, I’m not. But eventually people complain when things aren’t good. Regardless of why.

But eventually people complain when things aren’t good. 

Which is where establishing a default blaming of ‘others’ in advance comes in handy.

Foreigners, non true believers, traitors…….etc.

The Care home BS wasnt the only lie of Johnson’s blown up today

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/13/brexit-will-mean-checks-on-goods-crossing-irish-sea-government-admits

Surely that is the nail in the coffin of NI businesses as they try & climb out of the Covid recsession

Yep, remember the bit on the news where Boris said this on camera to NI businessmen?

“If any business was asked to fill in extra paperwork, they should telephone the prime minister “and I will direct them to throw that form in the bin”, he told them.”

He is a malignant, immoral, pathological, lying piece of *hit.

I thought I couldn’t begin to think how messy Brexit was going to be by the end of this year.

Now that sentiment is a total underestimate.

Cataclysmic now comes to mind.

Horrific.

Good luck farmers.

The UK government is drawing up plans to slash tariffs on US agricultural imports to advance progress on a trade deal despite concerns from some ministers and Conservative MPs about the damage they could cause to British farming.

https://amp.ft.com/content/e583b8a2-4074-4fa9-9c43-08a9979e0bee

The deadline for extending the transition period beyond December 31st was seven weeks away on Tuesday just gone, June 30th.

If the aim of getting some non-key worker kids back at school on June 1st fails, which at the moment looks very unlikely, the parents won’t be back at work turning the economic hamster wheel again.

This might, just might, make Boris backpedal on not asking for a transition extension. Will also depend on how the lockdown release pans out in Germany. The race is on between Boris and the EU to have their “blocs” up and running again, to try and get an advantage during the talks.

Has anyone got Boris’ number?
Cheers

It is a bloody great year to hide a bad Brexit, though isn’t it?

This is one of Trump’s motivations for forcing the US economy back to work and to hell with the casualties. That piece of shit has actually spotted what he thinks are ‘opportunities’ in a global pandemic. And he is going to be our biggest, bestest, biglyiest, post-Brexit buddy.

**** Brexit.

Oh, nearly forgot.

**** Boris too.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/SPEECH_20_895

Excellent M. Barnier.

Blimey, just read that from M.Barnier.

In diplomatic speak that’s about as close as you can get to:

“**** off with your childish shit and get back to us when you’ve grown up”.

What a total embarrassment.

Quelle merde-show.

I was listening to a podcast the other day (Remainiacs) and they made an interesting comment about the plan to train up 50,000 NEW border customs staff ready for the result of this absolute shit-show.
Someone pointed out the rather staggering number of 50,000 staff just to sort the borders/customs etc out for the UK compared to the fact that the entire European Commission employs ‘only’ 32000 people. All this talk of red tape, fat cats, bureaucracy etc. but how much red tape will all this generate & what does the wage bill of 50,000 new customs staff look like? Assuming £30k per person for a salary, you are looking at £1.5bn before you even get to pensions etc.

Assuming £30k per person for a salary, you are looking at £1.5bn before you even get to pensions etc.

And the NHS will be getting £350m a week too!

I’m sure there’s a fully costed plan.

**** Brexit.

but how much red tape will all this generate & what does the wage bill of 50,000 new customs staff look like?

All EU IT systems which we presently enjoy full access too will all have to be duplicated, at absolutely vast expense.

What do you reckon the chances of those systems, plus all the rest of the infrastructure needed, being in place before the end of the year?

Interesting from that, that the UK is trying to downgrade data protection legislation.

Now who still thinks the the NHS tracking app data would be safe with doms Cambridge analytica pals?

Did anyone see Gove being worried that the EU were not doing enough to protect Brits abroad?

As a Dane living in the UK I wanted to punch the screen when I read that.

What do you reckon the chances of those systems, plus all the rest of the infrastructure needed, being in place before the end of the year?

They are straining every sinew to ramp up capacity. Herculean effort. Following the science.

Oops. Bad news for HMRC’s Customs Academy – the newish organisation that was supposed to help train 50k new customs agents.

Not enough money, not enough people

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— Dr Anna Jerzewska (@AnnaJerzewska) May 18, 2020

To be fair, after out complete shit show handling of the Corona virus pandemic, the rest of Europe is probably glad to see the back of us.

Mikkel

Did anyone see Gove being worried that the EU were not doing enough to protect Brits abroad?

As a Dane living in the UK I wanted to punch the screen when I read that.

As a brit living in Germany, the brexiters rhetoric always worries me, usually later to be soothed be the pragmatism of the German authorities. But once again Gove has raised my fears (and blood pressure) that we will be used as pawns and cast aside for these retards ambitions and that they will **** it up. It isn’t nice living with that kind of fear hanging over your life, I am not wealthy enough and too old to start my life from scratch again.

I think it will be delayed by another 6 months to a year. Otherwise it might be too much of a shock to businesses.

Nobody will blame them either for delaying it.

It will not. They want no deal and the chaos

Hmmm, maybe a new career as a customs official is calling me!

To be fair, after out complete shit show handling of the Corona virus pandemic of everything the Government have done in the last three years, the rest of Europe is probably glad to see the back of us.

FTFY.

Keep an eye on the news at the end of the month regarding Nissan. There’s a story floating around on various news sites that they’re planning to build a couple of Renault models in their Sunderland plant.
If this proves to be true, which we should know by the end of the month, I think it’s very good indicator that a no-deal is pretty much nailed on.