Being a fatty now socially acceptable

Its not just us….

mrjmt – Member
Its not just us….

Err, hang on.
You’re trying to tell me that I’m not a Squirrel ?.
Posting on SquirrelTreeWorld.com ??.

😯

NUTS !

What about people who have conditions like PCOS, underactive thyroid

Thyroid issues can be medically fixed

If only it were that simple! I’m not going to rant again about the disgraceful lack of treatment that some thyroid patients receive and how I’ve had to go outside of the NHS because of wanting a reasonable quality of life. More in this thread:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/post-viral-fatigue

If anyone needs more info on thyroid disorders, try here:

http://www.thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/index.html

If only it were that simple! I’m not going to rant again about the disgraceful lack of treatment that some thyroid patients receive and how I’ve had to go outside of the NHS because of wanting a reasonable quality of life.

Thyroid conditions rarely get fixed, they get managed, and it’s difficult to get dosage right. The NHS often thinks it’s a case of “here’s some thyroxine, off you go” but it’s not that easy. My stepmum had her thyroid out because of cancer, the NHS were great at treating the cancer but the aftercare and management of her thyroid hormones were absolutely diabolical.

As a few people have pointed out BMI isn’t one size fits all, you can be within healthy weight range and be like me, someone who stores fat primarily round the stomach area, therefore being at greater risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes. Diet and exercise plans need to be tailored to an individual’s body shape and existing health conditions, it’s not enough to say “eat less, move more”.

My sister has a thyroid problem, all the comments on here about it are from / regarding women.

Is this just a condition that affects women?

NHS were great at treating the cancer but the aftercare and management of her thyroid hormones were absolutely diabolical.

That describes a lot of their treatment of cancer-treatment side effects. They “forgot” to tell my mum the side effect of her treatment in case she’d chose to not have the treatment (the side effect of THAT being death) and so her hip replacements came as a bit of a surprise.

CInamon girl is like a younger Joanna Lumley on a bike right? Only she is more bothered about fighting for thyroid patients then Gurkha’s

*swoon*

Doesn’t Ms Lumley like them in her Big Mac either then?

If only it were that simple!

But you’ve proved my point, they can be fixed. It’s not my responsibility to decide that if it’s a bit hard to get the NHS to listen then you’re no longer responsible for your own weight. If you’re aware you get fat easily because of this, don’t eat so much or shift your diet habits to suit your condition?

Well, I felt worse on thyroxine and as long as the NHS relies on one blood test whilst completely ignoring symptoms, then things won’t change. It’s a complex area.

Yes, more women are affected but there are some blokes on here that have thyroid disorders.

Lol at alex222. 😀 This Forum is terrific for all sorts of stuff – you post up a question and get loads of good answers. Thanks to STWers for suggesting where to get alternative treatment. 8)

Doesn’t the fact that there are medical conditions that affect weight kind of disprove the “eat less, move more” thinking?*

*I am Not A Doctor

Doesn’t the fact that there are medical conditions that affect weight kind of disprove the “eat less, move more” thinking?*

*I am Not A Doctor

Only if the majority of fatties had a medical condition.

Doesn’t the fact that there are medical conditions that affect weight kind of disprove the “eat less, move more” thinking?*

I think most medical conditions that affect weight affect metabolic rate or absorbtion of certain compounds, which just means you need to adjust the quantity and composition of your intake to ensure the calorie balance while being mindful of nutrition? (clearly I’m not suggesting that treats the original disease, just that that’s how you don’t get fat).

Here’s a list of signs and symptoms and, for balance, I have around 20 of them:

http://www.thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_the_thyroid/hypothyroidism_signs_symptoms.html

I’ve gone from a size 10 to size 18 in 3 years – my eating habits haven’t changed, reasonably healthy diet, ride 2 or 3 times a week. But my body is working very slowly and that includes mental capacity.

Only if the majority of fatties had a medical condition

They do…. their mouth is bigger than their @rsehole… 😛

over the last 3 years I have lost 4 stone, didn’t change my diet (though i am now naturally eating a lot less) simply exercised – basically got on my bike.

Biggest problem I have now is I can’t get clothes to fit me, my genetic heritage has bestowed me with a narrow waist (28″) and I have found it again 😀 10/15 years ago this wasn’t a problem, today I have to really hunt round the shops to find jeans and trousers to fit me. This to me is a real sign that the population is getting fatter, the fasion industry is catering to this trend.

c_g I too could fit about 20 of those, combined with a super-low RHR and a few others I would also suspect the same thing but the problem is that just about everyone has a number of those symptoms and so you’d have to get a GP to check. I appreciate that it might be difficult, I guarantee that if I approached my doc with the “I might have hypothyroidism” argument he’d tell me to GTF and get exercising as I’m fairly sure that 90% of the time people who approach with such symptoms are, like me, just too lazy to their arse into gear.

Doesn’t the fact that there are medical conditions that affect weight kind of disprove the “eat less, move more” thinking

Thats a good place to start.

Recognizing that weight gain is regulated by different, interacting internal, body processess, which are not directly effcted by how much you wave your arms and legs about.

c_g: Is Thyroid UK the one run by discredited doctors?

Diet and exercise plans need to be tailored to an individual’s body shape and existing health conditions, it’s not enough to say “eat less, move more”.

Yes, like the BMI it’s flawed but, also like the BMI, it’s not a bad guideline for the majority.

c_g I too could fit about 20 of those

Fair point coffeeking. As an example, just from looking at me, one can see I have no eyebrows, very few eyelashes, noticeably less hair on one side of my head, tongue is swollen and scalloped, hands are cold. Quite scary really. 😯

c_g: Is Thyroid UK the one run by discredited doctors?

Nope, it was started by a lady who received poor treatment from the NHS. I suspect you may be referring to one of their medical advisors – a doctor who argued that thyroid sufferers were not being treated correctly. He had to ‘resign’, he also has a thyroid disorder.

Edit: I could of course just accept the treatment offered together with anti-depressants when I’m not even depressed! But I’m lucky enough to have some gorgeous bikes that I want to ride hence my research into alternative treatments.

Believe me, it’s bloomin’ hard riding on your own when you’ve been used to having lots of riding buddies as well as organising Forum Rides at Swinley etc. I would love my life to be back how it was. 🙁

Most overweight people do not have a medical condition. But it is often the case that possible underlying medical conditions are underinvestigated, such as underactive thyroid, food allergies/intolerances, hormonal conditions such as PCOS or reactions to contraceptive hormones, coeliac disease….

Mrs FD quite often as to tell people that they can not operate on them because the are too fat, or that they are likely to get more complications because they are too fat.

Of course she can not directly tell them they are fat, but you can not help but think if they could tell them directly that they might be more enclined to do some thing about it.

Nope, it was started by a lady who received poor treatment from the NHS

Okay, not seeking to criticise, but I know the missus has certainly had issues with patients citing treatments from a group of disbarred doctors, who have published some discredited “papers” on the internet. Sounds like it might be a different group though.

Mrs FD quite often as to tell people that they can not operate on them because the are too fat, or that they are likely to get more complications because they are too fat.

Just to clarify, Mrs FD is a medical professional, right?

*rubs eyes*

*squints*

*pinches self*

{yep, he’s back}

Most overweight people do not have a medical condition

I’m big boned. It’s a curse.

I’m big boned. It’s a curse.

I’m also big bonered…

You should try using slendertone on that.

I’m big boned. It’s a curse.
You being the top pic.

Don’t look that big to me.

Now, if you had a big….

Then as someone who knows, let me tell ya, that really can be a curse.
😉

Now, if you had a big…

Nose?

Nose?

Well, in your case, it couldn’t be anything else, could it.
smarty pants.

😉

Both the 40 & 70 year old tri-ephalumps left legs look like a cross section of Homer Simpson’s head

That’s what happens to you over time if you ride a bike in Speedos and draw numbers on your arms

please don’t read this the wrong way this is a genuine question and not intended to belittle anyone….

RE: medial conditions that affect metabolism and the way in which your body decides to use/store/convert your food intake….presumably the following still holds true:

fuel in > fuel burnt = weight gain
fuel burnt > fuel in = weight loss

or do they affect your body in such a way that its default is to convert and store food as fatty deposits and get energy from breaking down other tissues instead?

(I’ll be off to read up on some conditions when I have some time as I’m interested in learning a bit more about this)

*rubs eyes*

*squints*

*pinches self*

{yep, he’s back}

Not for long.

Jamie, escaped this place.
He’s on the outside now.

Both the 40 & 70 year old tri-ephalumps left legs look like a cross section of Homer Simpson’s head

…either that or Alien Hominid.

…either that or Alien Hominid.

Either that or a Man eating mushroom.

presumably the following still holds true:

fuel in > fuel burnt = weight gain
fuel burnt > fuel in = weight loss

Still ?.
That never was the case.

Food isn’t just fuel.
Food is comprised of different nutrients, which, according to what exactly those nutrients are.
Will effect how they are used and stored / not used and stored by the body.
Which may lead to weight gain, OR, weight loss.

If a person has a disease which effects the nutrient absorption / handling of nutrients within their body, with respect to hormone imbalances, or some other issue.
Then this applies an additional degree of complexity to the issue of weight maintenance / loss/ /increase.

fuel in > fuel burnt = weight gain
fuel burnt > fuel in = weight loss

Still ?.
That never was the case

Well, it is the case over a prolonged period of time.
If you burn more calories than you put in say over a 6 month period then you will lose weight. Impossible to be otherwise.

RE: medial conditions that affect metabolism and the way in which your body decides to use/store/convert your food intake….presumably the following still holds true:

fuel in > fuel burnt = weight gain
fuel burnt > fuel in = weight loss

or do they affect your body in such a way that its default is to convert and store food as fatty deposits and get energy from breaking down other tissues instead?

Happy to answer to the best of my ability!

The thyroid gland is one of the glands of the endocrine system and has two functions. First one is to control metabolism and second is to control growth in early life.

Hypothyroidism (under-active thyroid) produces less thyroid hormone than it should and this causes metabolism to run too slow.

Hyperthyroidism (over-active thyroid) produces more than it should and causes metabolism to run too fast.

Now, often hypothyroid folk can be deficient in vitamins and minerals. In addition certain foods can prevent absorption of iodine and these are known as goitrogenic foods, ie brussel sprouts, cabbage etc.

Often thyroid sufferers can have other conditons such as Graves, Hashimoto’s, fibromyalgia, IBS, CFS etc.

It’s complex, I struggle to get my head around the workings of the body, thanks to my brain fog!

What is worrying though is the Government are aiming to reduce by 20% the number of blood tests carried out. With a thyroid condition, regular blood testing is essential.

Thanks for the reply CG, definitely going to have a read as it all sounds very interesting…

So it sounds like you can end up in the awkward situation where your body is effectively fighting against its best interests, not just in a weight gain/loss sense, but also in terms of using or ignoring certain elements that it needs and basically ending up making it exceedingly difficult to get the right balance.

If you metabolism is running at the wrong rate (either way) I imagine it can play havoc with trying to make sure everything works as it should.

Best of luck and hope you make some headway with your treatment!

We’re going for Gold at the Olympics you know!

ps. I don’t knock seriously overweight people. This is just an on-topic joke. I have an ex who was quite overweight and she had to have her thyroid and a load of intestines removed, the hole in her stomach didn’t heal up for a long, long time, she had problems eating, feeling ill, has become very thin now and is going back under the knife. That she wasn’t given medical attention sooner was a real issue considering her environment where she should have had her health monitored.