I blame the crackdown on bullying in schools. If there was more bullying of fat kids allowed I’m sure a lot of them would do something about it, not least through the extra exercise they’d get running away from the bullies.

I blame the crackdown on bullying in schools.

There was a crackdown? You wouldn’t believe that when nowadays 60% of kids are saying they’ve been bullied, parents tell their kids to bully others so they don’t get bullied themselves (well, that’s not working is it?) and one school my kids went to, the worst bully there, well, when a parent is working in the office you can see how far complaints go!

Maybe the bullies aren’t concentrating on the fat kids then, surely they’re an easier target?

I refer you back to the thread title.

*fixed

I blame the crackdown on bullying in schools. If there was more bullying of fat kids allowed I’m sure a lot of them would do something about it, not least through the extra exercise they’d get running away from the bullies.

Oh yes, because bullies’ taunts so often reflect the reality of the person they bully, bullies would never call people fat when they are in fact not fat, and only thin kids are bullies.

Idiot.

amedias – yes, that’s it! 🙂

As an example, I seemed to be doing OK with meds I was taking until I had a shoulder operation 2 months ago. The trauma and general anaesthetic coupled with super-strength pain killers messed up my body. Unfortunately last week I needed another procedure involving general anaesthetic plus more pain killers. Cue more disruption. 🙁

One thing I’ve learned is not to be judgmental of larger people.

I think they may have been joking about bullies 💡

/sigh

😆

Welcome back Jamie, we’ve missed you. 🙂

Solo – Member

presumably the following still holds true:

“fuel in > fuel burnt = weight gain
fuel burnt > fuel in = weight loss”

Still ?.
That never was the case.]
always has been the case and still remains so. Its the only way you can possibly gain weight is if you take in more calories than you use.Some foods may dispose you to put weight on more easily, some make it more easy to have an excess intake but this remains the basic truth.

It’s very scary that the debate about being overweight has managed to get so complex, when the answer is very, very, very simple.

Eat healthily
Do exercise
Don’t be sedentary, avoid cars and a desk job as much as you can

I’m 40 next year and I’m one of the very few of my friends from childhood or uni who’s not overweight – and we’re talking intelligent and reasonably well-off people here – and they’re not really doing much about it… they all think I’m a bit mad for doing as much exercise as I do. It’s quite scary how even intelligent people are neglecting their health… it’s going to be a major cost on the NHS (Taxpayer dollar) and productivity which won’t exactly help us maintain our national wealth…

Just as a STFU to several posters. I once did an academic presentation to some fellow students on craniofacial disorders, some of them and about half of them overweight, laughed at the pictures.

My point being, that everyone demands to be treated equally but as soon as they are, they then laugh at their least favourite people (this is a hugely dark view of humanity but I essentially believe this to be true). Stating that fat people’s esteems cannot hack being called fat is doing a disservice to the many people born with craniofacial deformities. People who have not brought their social stigma on themselves.

So I’ll reiterate, fat people should be called fat. Doing so probably does us, the NHS, the planet, food prices and consequently poor people in developing nations some good by lowering demand.

HOWEVER this is an interesting topic, people get bullied for their natural appearance (could be glasses, goofy teeth, craniofacial deformity or being fat etc). So I don’t agree with bullying, so I apologise for the title of this forum post and would like to ask the moderator if he can be arsed to change it.

I would argue that the medical world and society should be encouraged to make it well known that being fat/overweight is unacceptable. Being deemed overweight/obese or whatever is part of this. Society/doctors should learn to 1) Empathize with those that are fat and give firm but non abusive direction to lose weight 2) Society needs to develop a thicker skin if being called fat massively hurts some peoples feelings. Those with disfigurements often live with abuse and social rejection around the world every day but still manage to not let others bring them down. This should be an inspiration for us all. Sadly it is not.

Hyperthyroidism (over-active thyroid) produces more than it should and causes metabolism to run too fast.

Are there any downsides to that?

I suspect that this may be true of me; I’ve thought for years that my metabolism runs fast, the amount of chips, beer and cake I get through I’ve no right to be 11 stone. Does it mean I’m going to keel over at 50?

Cougar – its a spectrum we are not all the same – a bit quick is fine – running really hyper thyroid is not.

Wiki:

If there is too much thyroid hormone, every function of the body tends to speed up. Therefore, some of the symptoms of hyperthyroidism are nervousness, irritability, increased perspiration, heart racing, hand tremors, anxiety, difficulty sleeping, thinning of the skin, fine brittle hair, and muscular weakness—especially in the upper arms and thighs.

I can probably tick off at least half of those.

The rest of the entry is scary reading. I think I’ll decide I don’t have that then.

(bug bump)

A mate is borderline hyper. He walks in a T-shirt when I’m in a fleece. It’s quite noticeable.

Oh, I do that too. I just attributed that to being Northern.

you do realise that the fatties will one day outnumber the thinnies? I for one welcome our wobbly overlords, and have a selection pack of Krispy Kremes on standby as a sugary offering.

you do realise that the fatties will one day outnumber the thinnies?

Already there fella – approx 60% of the adult population in the UK is overweight or obese.

Raises an interesting question about whether something is socially unacceptable if practised by a majority of society.

It’s just a depressing situation. Some studies have a fifth of year six children as obese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTUspjZG-wc

Start at 6 mins in, if you want to.

you do realise that the fatties will one day outnumber the thinnies?

A frenchman even wrote a VERY serious book about an impending war between fatties and skinnies

All I’m saying is please be careful how much faith you put in non-medical websites that run information counter to the well-researched national guidelines, are advised by disbarred doctors and who publish non-rigorous anecdotal studies that would be rejected by mainstream journals*

There is good and bad information out there. Please consider your sources carefully – especially any offering miracle cures for a price. Googling the name of the site and any medical advisors is always a good first step.

(* Lawyers: I am absolutely NOT stating that Thyroid UK is one such site – just highlighting a general concern of mine about sites of a similar nature that carry bad information)

Raises an interesting question about whether something is socially unacceptable if practised by a majority of society.

I bet there are plenty of people who are bleating on about how fat people are disgusting and weak whilst sporting a beer belly and above ideal weight (probably many who have been vocal on here).

you do realise that the fatties will one day outnumber the thinnies?

But the percentage of fatties in a given age group will decrease as the age grouping gets older.

So, will the fatties help solve the pension shortfall or will the additional strain on the NHS outweigh this potential shortfall?

Unfortunately, your second option is the right one. Millions more cases of type II diabetes and various other long-term chronic conditions will far outweigh (!) any pension savings.

Even the increase in disability benefits will cancel out pension savings.

I’ve thought for years that my metabolism runs fast, the amount of chips, beer and cake I get through I’ve no right to be 11 stone.

If I eat anything and everything and do no exercise I can hit the heady heights of 11 1/2 stone. 6 weeks of iDiet and a relatively big (for me) month on the bike has me down to 11 stone.

I think some people just have different insulin responses.

I think some people just have different insulin responses.

Well, thats a better place to start looking, than the first law of thermodynamics.
😉

All I’m saying is please be careful how much faith you put in non-medical websites that run information counter to the well-researched national guidelines, are advised by disbarred doctors and who publish non-rigorous anecdotal studies that would be rejected by mainstream journals*

GrahamS – yes, I agree!

BUT I shouldn’t have to do this!

My experiences, in simplistic terms:

Visit GP and list symptoms, asking could it be hypothyroidism. GP replies, no you’re depressed and here’s a prescription for anti-depressants. Me – no I’m not, can I have some blood tests please? Eventually agreed.

Go back for results. No you’re not hypothyroid, you’re depressed. Me – can I try some thyroxine? GP – OK. Go back and report no difference and I asked whether I needed a stronger dose and for longer. GP – no, you’re depressed. Me – no I’m not. GP – go and see another GP for a second opinion.

Due to my moving area, I’ve now seen 5 different GPs and they all want to throw ADs at me. After research, I discovered that GPs follow guidelines from the Royal College of Physicians namely that one blood test, and that blood test alone, deems whether you have a thyroid disorder. Symptoms seem to be secondary!

Personally I feel it’s unreasonable to expect GPs to be experts on endocrine disorders but the NHS expects them to manage patients with this. There appears to be a reluctance for referral to an Endocronologist who specialises in thyroid disorders.

Having a thyroid disorder entitles you to free Thyroxine AND all other prescriptions. Everything … free for life.

Some people do well on Thyroxine but some don’t and this is the category I fall into. Some people purchase medication from abroad as the NHS won’t supply it due to cost. We’re pretty poorly treated, imo.

I would argue that the medical world and society should be encouraged to make it well known that being fat/overweight is unacceptable

OK, put me in the stocks on the village green and chuck rotten tomatoes at me. Will that make you feel good?

I get all this insulin stuff… still don’t understand why everyone wasn’t fat 30-40 years ago when they were still eating plenty of ‘staple’ food stuffs?

OK, put me in the stocks on the village green and chuck rotten tomatoes at me. Will that make you feel good?

CG.

Don’t take that personally, I feel you’ve been very articulate and open about your issue and I for one, do sympathize with how having a malfunctioning Thyroid will disrupt your body’s ability to do stuff, such as regulate fat accumulation, in the way a person who’s thyroid is working within Normal limits.

‘staple’ food stuffs

Please define.
🙂

Yep agree TSY! I personally feel that food manufacturers need to be bought into line by the Government and a lot of rubbish foods shouldn’t be permitted on the shelves.

Whilst it’s cheaper for folk to buy ready meals, MaccyDs etc., their addiction to sugar will continue.

Most staple foods derive either from cereals such as wheat, barley, rye, maize, or rice, or starchy tubers or root vegetables such as potatoes, yams, taro, and cassava.[2] Other staple foods include pulses (dried legumes), sago (derived from the pith of the sago palm tree), and fruits such as breadfruit and plantains.[3] Staple foods may also contain, depending on the region, sorghum, olive oil, coconut oil and sugar.[4][5][6]

TSY.

Actually, in that Taubes video, he states that his research took him back to the later half of the 19th Century.
German and Austrian scientists even then were looking at fat management, etc.

I hadn’t realised how many pounds I had put on recently until someone called me an “Ennis” yesterday.

TSY

Fifty years ago we walked to school, or rode a bike, in all weathers. We didn’t have central heating and clothing was both less insulating and heavier. As children we were encouraged to go out and play. And generally jobs needed more physical work and less sitting at desks. The money was poor but the hours were long.

Young people today, they don’t….

Auntie C_G – (medical conditions accepted) the problem is that people are too **** lazy. You could make that stuff expensive and people would still buy it… because it’s convenient and they’re lazy.

“I don’t have time to cook”

BS – you’re just too bloody lazy. Make time.

All diets that work have their foundations in proper home cooked food.

Proper home cooked food is why people weren’t fat IMO. It’s why people aren’t fat now. None of all this other stuff that’s spouted, there is no magic, there is no secret, just make your food yourself.

Miketually seems to eat a ton of bread… he cooks it himself.