[Closed] Are the Tories OK after all?

2) suggesting that famine is more important than political division in the UK.

so I take it you don't think it is?

No, I do think it is. I was just surprised the Tories came out with it.

They were fairly obvious in trying to say

"look, we,'re not the nasty party"

I agree.

Dave and his chums were trying very hard to look normal and caring.

But what they were saying essentially is 'we usually play a game' or 'our strategies usually focus on dissing the other guy'... which is something we all know but no-one at the upper echelons of either party normally says.

sucked in

Nah, not really.

It was just an interesting angle, that's all.

They're ####s.

Not sure what to think of it really. I mean, on the one hand it's a hysterically cynical thing to do, and I wouldn't have to work too hard to be disgusted by the way they've politicised charity. On the other hand, you never know, it might help.

Hairy Spider's right. They are.

Of course they won't manage to keep it up, and someone will find out that they're actually turning famine babies into cluster bombs targeting kittens, probably.

Come to think of it, most of them did look pretty shifty even on a 'charity' political broadcast...

They're OK in Scotland - nearly (but not quite) voted for them as they were the only party with a credible higher education policy. They're also axiomatically commited to the union, and are / were being lead by a harmless old spinster rather than a gastropod, so its not all bad.

I don't know what disappoints me most; the Tories using a famine in a part of the world that can't vote for or against them to score cheap political brownie points, or the galactical scale of the dimwittery involved in falling for it.

Gay Marriage? WtF is that all about..

the galactical scale of the dimwittery involved in falling for it.

Which explains why this thread was posted as a question!

Not that I'm immune to galactic scale dimwittery. 😀

Gay Marriage? WtF is that all about..

When two men love each other very much and...

I suggest Red Riding Hood as a primary text... 😉

No, they're a bunch of Cs. Always will be. I'm more concerned that the other lot still seem to be doing their best to make them look like the only option this country has.

I suggest Red Riding Hood as a primary text...

Thanks, crikey, but I'm still on Spot the Dog's Magic Birthday.

Besides, the 'Red' in Red Riding Hood unsettles me. It suggests Socialism. And isn't Socialism scary? I mean, a society that looks after its populace! Terrifying.

Garry_Lager - Member
They're OK in Scotland

Stop it. Stop it. I can't take any more...

Yep. So Ok that one of the candidates for the leadership of the party in Scotland wants to disband the Tories in favour of a new Right-wing party.

Scum of the earth the lot of them.

Hook line and sinker.

"Gay marrige", a reason for bigots, and idiots to have a new whipping boy or boys to have a go at.

As opposed to the union of two people who are in love with each other to share their lives togethjer in Daves utopian world, where he totally fails to understand him and his lot are seriously more richer than all us, and the sad people who actually voted him into a job.

No really, they [i]are[/i] OK in Scotland, inasmuch as they're completely unelectable until the end of time. Perfect tories really.

(I do like Annabel Goldie though, she deserves better)

Hmm - never really thought of her as a GILF before. But hey - whatever floats your boat man....

Harry_the_Spider +1000000

I thought 'they' had Gay Marriage already, don't get why the Tories are suddenly all over it like a bad rash, less than 1/2 per cent of the population are Gay, it's an irrelevance er unless you are of course, no disrespect intended, just do not trust Tories..

stevewhyte - Member

Hook line and sinker.

Not in my case.

I've never voted for them. Voted for the others a couple of times though, but that didn't make much difference either.

Only Tory I've ever had a soft spot for was Michael Heseltine and that was basically because he looked like my granddad... 😉

Any party/party leader, who accepts large sums of money from developers and then produces proposed legislation to help...."developers"..... is corrupt. End of story really.

Sod them...sod him.....they are pigs gorging at the trough of freedom while the rest of us are left to go to hell, or meekly help these pigs gorge themselves some more. And if we don't help these pigs to eat all the puddings aswell, we are somehow unpatriotic!

Straight to hell boys!

For a brief, wonderful moment today I thought Ken Clarke was going to run on stage and beat David Cameron to a paste. All party political issues should be settled by square go.

For a brief, wonderful moment today I thought Ken Clarke was going to run on stage and beat David Cameron to a paste. All party political issues should be settled by square go.

I'd like to see the election scrap between Dave and Ed. I'm guessing it would be a long upper middle class fight, but still it would be well worth watching.

less than 1/2 per cent of the population are Gay, it's an irrelevance

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11398629 ]Well, these figures suggest that it's actually more like 1.5% if you include Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual people.[/url]

Even at 1%, that's still 480,000 people. How the hell are 480,000 people an 'irrelevance'?

And I'd reckon that those figures are at best 'conservative'; ie, many folk don't disclose their true sexuality for their own reasons which often involve fear of being ostracised from their communities, alienated at work and from friends/family etc. I'd imagine the true figures are much higher.

Anyway, regardless of the actual numbers, [i]all[/i] people are relevant in our society.

Switched over within a second so never caught the jist of it... phew!

Can't trust Tories . Sounds like a gimmick to me and more likely a distraction from something significant they want to down play, like... oh I don't know, maybe putting the boot into Human rights legislation?

The jist seemed to be: we're usually pretty cynical when we make these broadcasts. We normally throw mud at the opposition. That's how it's done, and how we've always done it. Not any more though. No, now we're really concerned about something way more important and we've all personally given money to the East Africa appeal to show that we really, really care.

Like I said, it's an interesting approach...

@Elfinsafety (Wonders does he ride single speed)

It means 98.5% of the population don't care, so in a de mock cracee they shouldn't rate a mention unless there was some other Agenda, like creating the impression a bunch of lying efwits give a damn.

In fact 480,000 is probably only a mere fraction of the illegals here at present, if we want to get into a serious Daily Mail discussion on the evils present in the land..

Elfinsafety - Member

And I'd reckon that those figures are at best 'conservative'; ie, many folk don't disclose their true sexuality for their own reasons which often involve fear of being ostracised from their communities, alienated at work and from friends/family etc. I'd imagine the true figures are much higher.

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bit like admitting to being a conservative then.

I'm peaceful and easy going. I care little for what other people do and how they choose to live their lives. But I ****ing hate the ****ing scum who are self-serving **** stains on the bed sheets of the common man. Call me potty mouth dave is a smug greasy tosser, in bed with the bankers and tax dodgers. ed the irrelevant is no better, just maybe slightly more useless than dangerous which is fine, he'll never achieve anything that gives him any power.

iDave, I like your style. 😀

It means 98.5% of the population don't care

No it doesn't.

Back under your bridge....

You only have to go to parts of Manchester, london, Brighton, and now Liverpool and quite a few other places, to see lots of gay and lesbians, enjoying their new freedom from the bigots.

Some places straight men seem be the minority.

project - Member
You only have to go to parts of Manchester, london, Brighton, and now Liverpool and quite a few other places, to see lots of gay and lesbians, enjoying their new freedom from the bigots.

Some places straight men seem be the minority.

It's been like that for years now, why should it suddenly be relevant to Tories is my point, not wether anyones sexuality should make them relevant as a voter.. And it's not just here in the UK, other places like Germany which were far more hostile to Gay people are and have been for most of this millennium far more tolerant, visit Cologne, Hamburg, even Munich, times have changed long since, typical Tories trying to climb on a bandwagon that left years ago.

I think (as the broadcast underlines) it's because they care so damn much - or because the easiest victories are achieved when the battle's over and you're still holding the flag.

I'm fed up with listening to them still blame everything on Labour, we are where we are, not that i'm exonerating Labour, but they've been in power for 18 months and i want to hear what they are going to do about it rather than whose fault it is, because frankly it seems like they don't have a clue!

Wow bit of a rant that! feel better now though. 8)

Are the Tories OK after all?

No, never.

With one exception. If they were all dead.

derekrides - Member

It means 98.5% of the population don't care

Of course it doesn't.

It's interesting to note that after last year's relatively uncontroversial conference, all of the right wing rhetoric which made them unelectable has crept back in.

I dislike them intensely, about as much as I disliked the New Labour aberration.

Why do we have to swing between one of two equally awful alternatives all the time?

Well they can't be any worse than the last shower

Well they can't be any worse than the last shower

Apparently enough people thought so, to stop them winning the general election.

You know what? If someone gave me a crystal ball in May 2010 and asked me to vote, I still wouldn't have voted Labour. They weren't just rubbish, they were really, really rubbish. Awful even. This voter simply cannot ever vote Labour again.

Well they can't be any worse than the last shower

They can. Oh they can. Much, much worse.

But as much as I despise Cameon (perfectly natural reaction, because he is by default a lying cheating scumbayg) it's this mayn who I'd really like to batter with a nailed baseball bat:

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Spineless, lying, gutless hypocritical ****.

Elfin, they're all by their very nature lying, cheating scumbags.

Blair, Major, Thatcher, Brown... Cameron is no different.

As for Clegg, he's as slippery as a well greased eel who's been liberally marinaded in vaseline.

Are modern politicians a reflection of modern society? Are we prepared to accept changes in policy based on reflection or do we castigate them for a U turn? It is very easy to stand on the side lines and snipe but unless you have truly engaged (and STW does not count), what have you done to help? These are rhetorical questions - but would you do their job, really?

mefty - Member
Are modern politicians a reflection of modern society?

Watching Cameron on Newsnight right now.

What a horrible, horrible mayn.

if a 13 yr old kid had lived with bad parents all its life then had 18 months with foster parents who had a more disciplined approach who would you blame for its current attitudes and behaviours
frankly we seem to be in a better place than most of europe/ developed world
dave has a plan we might not like it but i'm told some medications are unpleasant but effective

dave has a plan we might not like it but i'm told some medications are unpleasant but effective

Sweet Baby Jesus and all the orphans; what on Earth makes you think Dave and his chums actually give two hoots about this country and it's people? Is it not patently obvious that all they are doing is setting themselves and their corporate cronies up for life?? How in the name of all that is holy can you not see that??????

😯

Of course not. It a cynical attempt at marketing them as the nice party.

[i] greased eel who's been liberally marinaded in vaseline.[/i] 😆

No. They're still a bunch of self-serving cockbags, just like last week/year/decade. Next!...

Watching Cameron on Newsnight right now.

What a horrible, horrible mayn.

thats funny, he said the opposite about you.

Dont worry everyone, the tories are here to save us from the astronomical debt that the other lot have left us in.

They keep talking about the debt they have inherted mainly because they are having to make unpopular decisions to attempt to rectify the horrible mess.
Believe it or not, making unpopular decisions turns out to make you even more unpopular.

Cameron will save the day, he's a hero. Saving us all from the left. You'll understand one day.

Long live the Tories! hurrah! God Bless Maggie.

May god forgive the reds.

gawd bless 'em, every one of 'em. so caring and thoughful about us. please Dave, can I have some more? Well, **** off Dave, you don't give a shity stick about me, you never have, and your company (let's call it a company) never will. You have no idea about how people like me get by on a daily basis or how people like me think about people like you. But we are massive and you are a small bunch of rich powerful people. Just keep pushing it and we will piss on your face Dave with our steaming acidic vitriol. do you hear me Dave? oh, you're soundly asleep...

I think the church is going to have different views to Cameron about me getting married. They should know, after all I think they wear dresses more often than me.

thanks, by the way derekrides to suggest that we are part of the evils of the world, and that no one gives a shit anyway. Nice.

they're all by their very nature lying, cheating scumbags.

Blair, Major, Thatcher, Brown... Cameron is no different.

As for Clegg, he's as slippery as a well greased eel who's been liberally marinaded in vaseline.

This I like.

thanks, by the way derekrides to suggest that we are part of the evils of the world, and that no one gives a shit anyway. Nice.

😯

Doesn't speak for us all, emsz.

Sweet Baby Jesus and all the orphans; what on Earth makes you think Dave and his chums actually give two hoots about this country and it's people? Is it not patently obvious that all they are doing is setting themselves and their corporate cronies up for life?? How in the name of all that is holy can you not see that??????

Wow. Try not to let a narrow minded and irrational dogma get in the way of the truth there Elf.

But of course, silly me, you don't really believe that at all, you're just playing to the house and having fun. Aren't you?

mefty - Member
Are modern politicians a reflection of modern society?

druidh - Member
Of course - who votes for them? You know, despite the almost constant squeeling on here, the UK has voted for a right-wing government since Thatcher got into power. I don't see any sign of that changing any time soon.

Exactly !!
'we' have become a totally aspirational capitalist society, the 'usual suspects' may bleat and whinge but in truth, enjoy the fruits and luxuries of capitalism as much as the rest of us.
At least the Conservative Party do 'what is says on the tin' whilst the others are seemingly just conservatives with different colour ties....

its clear, the only thing I have in common with you lot is a love of bikes. (not sure thats even true for some).

I just wish I went to private school and had no idea about the 'real world', then I could be hated just a little more.

Biking catastrophe - but he is right.

See the links between the tory party and the private health companies who are being lined up to take over large parts of the NHS.

Cameron will save the day, he's a hero. Saving us all from the left. You'll understand one day.

Long live the Tories! hurrah! God Bless Maggie.

I took that as irony. 😳

Do you like Breakfast at Tiffanies? If so, that's one thing we've got.

two things camo16 - a SOH

Of course - who votes for them? You know, despite the almost constant squeeling on here, the UK has voted for a right-wing government since Thatcher got into power. I don't see any sign of that changing any time soon.

The conservatives have never had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK, as their performances outside of middle England show.

Anyway, the broadcast was a clever bit of PR. It's what Cameron's good at.

Are the Tories OK after all?

no, don't be silly.

ransos - Member

"Of course - who votes for them? You know, despite the almost constant squeeling on here, the UK has voted for a right-wing government since Thatcher got into power. I don't see any sign of that changing any time soon."

The conservatives have never had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK, as their performances outside of middle England show.

I think the phrase "right wing government" doesn't only apply to Conservatives, show me a Socialist manifesto and I'll show you a list of 'soon to be broken pledges'
We are a right of centre society, no argument, it's just which colour flag you want your leaders to wave 🙄

The conservatives have never had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK

Thats probably a good thing, id hate to be labelled as part of this majority you lot keep mentioning.

But no he isn't TJ. A blanket statement that the Tories are solely in power to line their pockets, look after themselves and not actually give a toss about the country they are in is not really a statement rooted in truth or fact. However much you may hate them I think anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would understand that is not the case. Which is why I suspect he is, at the very least, exaggerating a bit. Or at least I hope he is.

And given the poor state the nations finances were in when this new lot came into power I am not surprised they keep referring to the mess they found and pinning the blame on the last government because that's who was to blame. Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had. I don't see George Osborne as ever ranking as one of the best but so far he is still better than Gordon.

I think the phrase "right wing government" doesn't only apply to Conservatives, show me a Socialist manifesto and I'll show you a list of 'soon to be broken pledges'
We are a right of centre society, no argument, it's just which colour flag you want your leaders to wave

That depends where you think the centre lies, doesn't it? We're certainly more left wing that the US, for example.

I would agree however that it can be difficult to get a rizla between the policies of the main political parties.

Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had.

i'm not a nu-lab fan. to me nu-lab and the tories are 2 cheeks of the same arsehole, but, if you think that you're going to be able to judge historical perspective 18 months after the events then you're as guilty of polemic dogma as those that you're pointing the finger at.

just an observation.

[s]The conservatives[/s] [b]No party[/b] have ever had a majority of the electorate voting for them. And they certainly don't represent the UK

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Biking catastrophe - you are an innocent.

Its exactly what they are there for.

The tory party exists to attempt to keep wealth and privilege in the hands of a small group. that's its reason to exist.

this lot are worse than many as the policies they are introducing are designed deliberatly to put money from the public purse into the hands of their backers.

as for the fatuous statement

And given the poor state the nations finances were in when this new lot came into power I am not surprised they keep referring to the mess they found and pinning the blame on the last government because that's who was to blame. Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had.

You really have fallen for the propaganda havent you. 🙄

Osbourne is following policies that will make the economomy worse knowingly. He is doing this out of ideological hatred for the public sector. even some in his own party are now telling him the austerity measures are wrong.

But no he isn't TJ. A blanket statement that the Tories are solely in power to line their pockets, look after themselves and not actually give a toss about the country they are in is not really a statement rooted in truth or fact. However much you may hate them I think anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would understand that is not the case. Which is why I suspect he is, at the very least, exaggerating a bit. Or at least I hope he is.

And given the poor state the nations finances were in when this new lot came into power I am not surprised they keep referring to the mess they found and pinning the blame on the last government because that's who was to blame. Gordon Brown will forever be one of, if not the, worst chancellor we ever had. I don't see George Osborne as ever ranking as one of the best but so far he is still better than Gordon.

Hellelujah!
I thought I was alone in this mad house.
I love this guy.

FTFY

You haven't fixed anything, because I'm not arguing otherwise. It is however true to say that the combined liberal/ labour vote is greater than the conservative vote, and is also more than 50% of voters (most of the time). So it could be argued that the majority of voters want a centre/ left government, if you believe that those parties represent the centre and left.

Osbourne is following policies that will make the economomy worse knowingly. He is doing this out of ideological hatred for the public sector. even some in his own party are now telling him the austerity measures are wrong.

sorry, but you are possibly insane.