[Closed] Anton Du Beke

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Well the word Brit has never been used in a derogatory way to such an extent - it's not the simple shortening that's the issue...

Second thoughts,

what breakneckspeed said...

**** is racist because of it's widespread use as a racist insult - yes in an ideal world it wouldn't have racist connotations but it's not an ideal world.

Also in the context he used it wasn't it - 'you're not a **** are you?' - implying there is something wrong with being a ****.

While I'm on this topic, how come Kanye West can refer to '****s' in his music while the rest of us would be lambasted?

Because he's black therefore he's probably not using it as a racial slur against black people?

[i]I'm confused.[/i]

The world's complicated isn't it.

Synchronise watches...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Its about context. "****" is used as a pejorative term.

"****" Kanye West is one thus can reclaim the word

Not a great explanation but its the best I can come up with. Its all about context and intentions - thus the circumstances the words are used in affect the way that they are viewed.

Just seems to me a bit much for ****stanis to be crowing on about racism when they generally hate indians and the only thing they and the indians ever agree upon is that the Bangledeshis are the lowest of the low, they should look at their own prejudices before harping on about other peoples

And 3,2,1, here we go...

OMG TJ just called Kanye West a ****!!! 😈

Just seems to me a bit much for ****stanis to be crowing on about racism when they generally hate indians

Really good point, well made. I wish all these ****stanis would stop crowing on about racism.

:facepalm:

No really OTT replies yet, where are the lunatic fringe of STW? exhausted after fighting outside some kebab shop? 😉

so if i was a c+#t which ive been called before, does this mean i can reclaim the word and sing songs about myself or other c+#ts and not get in trouble ? just wondered as i work with some right c+#ts and can sing quite well 😉

Nice bit of negative sterotyping there toomanybikes.

I thought kanye west was a ganstarappin' tossrag - or is that fiddly cents ❓

grumm..........my missus worked in a day nursery in East Ham for 5 years believe me, all the so-called minorities hated each other guts, and it was down to race and religion.

[i]Just seems to me a bit much for ****stanis to be crowing on about racism when they generally hate indians [/i]

Well that's foreigners for you. They're brains haven't evolved to think logically like us Whities.

IanMunroe..........so tell me what the difference is

It is very, very difficult to rationalise all this stuff in a consistent way, especially the widespread use of "****". But it's fairly easy to spot a potentially problematic remark before it spurts out of your mouth if you've got a reasonably sensible head on. "Oh my god you look like a ****" just doesn't pass any sane person's filter.

And anyone who reckons they're "just" abreviating "****stani" when they use "****" as a term of abuse is daft.

grumm..........my missus worked in a day nursery in East Ham for 5 years believe me, all the so-called minorities hated each other guts, and it was down to race and religion.

So because of some ethnic tensions between other nationalities, we should be free to be as racist as we like eh? If only we could go back to the non-PC days of the 70s where it was fine to openly abuse people of a different colour.

Tell you what what difference is?

Strictly come dancing! I dont know, if theyre not sadistically killing chickens, theyre racially abusing their dance partners. Ball room dancers - theyre worse than nazi crack users, I tell thee...

so if i was a c+#t which ive been called before, does this mean i can reclaim the word and sing songs about myself or other c+#ts and not get in trouble ? just wondered as i work with some right c+#ts and can sing quite well

You can't reclaim it, but I can 🙂 And regularly do. My friend and I give permission for men to use the word occasionally, but they must suffix it with the word 'bubble'.

bugger jojo . (just a statement not a request/promise ;-))

grumm, interesting, so because it's between people of the same skin colour, but different religions, and caste, it's ethnic differences, not racism, why is that? surely prejudice is prejudice.

A female friend of mine regularly threatens to 'kick you a new c unt' - she's a real charmer. 🙂

Ianmunroe........tell me the difference between ****stanis hating indians and say whites hating ****stanis...........or did i misunderstand your post

grumm, interesting, so because it's between people of the same skin colour, but different religions, and caste, it's ethnic differences, not racism, why is that? surely prejudice is prejudice.

Yeah there's still prejudice - but does that mean we should be prejudiced too?

Also, in terms of Indians/****stanis - there is a history of actual bloody conflict (for which you could lay plenty of the blame at the door of Britain). Doesn't make prejudice right, just makes it easier to understand/harder to overcome.

By the way, if I can be sexist for a moment instead of racist, Laila Rouass would definitely get it.
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She's a sweetie. Is she the celebrity then, and this Du Beke person is the one that can dance, or is it the other way round?

While I'm on this topic, how come Kanye West can refer to '****s' in his music while the rest of us would be lambasted?

Grumm oh yes she would, very good looking lady.

[i]"****" Kanye West is one thus can reclaim the word[/i]
yeah. taking it back.

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Sounds like a girl after my own heart 😉
Actually my mot de jour is ****tybaws which is possibly considered less offensive and nicely combines abusive use of the sex organs of both genders, thus rendering it neutral in the sexism department.

grumm........don't get me wrong, I wish everyone would get on with each other, we have far greater things to worry about in this world than someones race, religion or skin colour, I just get fed-up with people harping on about being prejudiced against when it is happening all the time in their own countries.

And you can't lay the blame for the ills of the world on the British Empire, bloody conflict was happening before the British turned up and civilised them.......

grumm.....I have to agree with your sexist sentiments

Chris Rock explains...

NOT SAFE FOR WORK!

"And you can't lay the blame for the ills of the world on the British Empire, bloody conflict was happening before the British turned up and civilised them......."

Please tell me this is supposed to be ironic.

And you can't lay the blame for the ills of the world on the British Empire, bloody conflict was happening before the British turned up and civilised them.......

Erm, try googling the partition of India - 12m displaced up to 1m dead - created all sorts of major problems which are still going on today.

aye id tap that 😉

not to be confused with tapping a cap in her ass

tho that might happen too

FWIW I doubt Kanye West calls his mum or dad "my nigga". It's used in rap music, but not as frequently as you'd think, pretty much exclusively as a term to describe one's peers (in terms of age group, life style and aspirations), and usually as a term of endearment. [/trendy professor mode]

barnsleymitch..........the civilising bit was, yes

grumm........it wasn't a British decision alone to partition

[i]However, while the Indian National Congress was calling for Britain to Quit India, the Muslim League, in 1943, passed a resolution for them to Divide and Quit. There were several reasons for the birth of a separate Muslim homeland in the subcontinent, and all three parties-the British, the Congress and the Muslim League-were responsible.

I suppose my take on this is that the guy's entitled to his own opinions / beliefs / prejudices, whatever, but if your profile is high (and sadly, being a tv celebrity is), then you should learn to keep them to yourself. For what it's worth, I think this was more stupidity than true racism, but as I said, that's only my take on it.

Accepting that the term N*gger can be used by certain portions of society based upon the colour of their skin is racist.

Anton's failed joke was in no way an insult, why doesn't [u]intent[/u] have any bearing, is it 'cos he is white ffs?

The misinterpretation of what's OK and what's not does nothing for race relations, it just plays into the hands of self-hating apologists who tend to be white lefties.

Anyhow this thread is nothing without RudeBoy to taunt.

By the way supposedly some people see a difference between '****' and 'nigga' - '****' is racist but 'nigga' isn't apparently. 😕
This is quite a funny video about the whole thing

http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1126436407

enfit - you really have no clue do you.

A Scot, Paddy, Taffy, Jock, Brit or a Pom (if you're an Aussie) Oh an Aussie, a Yank the list goes on which are offensive and which are not.

I'm not offended if an Aussie calls me a Pom (Prisoner of Her Majesty) but it's pretty offensive if you think about it. More so than calling some one of ****stani origin a ****.

Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.

Why do you have to belong to a certain demographic in order to feel offended by a crass ill-judged remark?

TJ coming from a Englishman living in Scotland who thinks everyone is racist I can certainly understand your confusion.

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

[i]Anton's failed joke was in no way an insult, why doesn't intent have any bearing[/i]

You'd think that this sort of humour had "failed" sufficiently often since the 70s that people would have learnt.

Can you explain how telling a British woman of Moroccan and Indian heritage that she "looked like a ****" could succeed as a joke? The only way in which I can see it working well would be if the other person also thought that "looking like a ****" was a terrible and hilarious thing. But I may be wrong.

🙂

[i]Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.[/i]
What can't you say any more?

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

White, British, Middle Class... Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list.

Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.

Oh for god's sake. Please **** off somewhere else then.

White, British, Middle Class... Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list.

Oh wow it's all coming out now.

Why not try these forums intead:

http://www.stormfront.org/

[i]What can't you say any more? [/i]

Loads of things:

- Negroes cannot think for themselves
- homosexuality is fit only for penguins and hindus
- the indian races cannot be trusted
- I love laughing at picanninies
- algerians are a cruel people and look stupid.

Freedom of speech for the mouth-foamingly horrendous has been severely curtailed. 🙂

Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.
What can't you say any more?

Well if you want to hold down a high profile job without the national media trying to hound you out of it try asking Terry Venibles, Jonathan Ross or Russell Brand...

It's political correctness gone mad.

You couldn't make it up.

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Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list

Have a look here. I don't see anything about background, class or ethnic origins.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/finding_a_place_to_live/council_waiting_lists/who_gets_priority

Well done though. You've clearly set your targets very high if you've got nothing better to do than get indignant about who gets a better council house. 🙄

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

I was asked to pay 50p for a "free" leaflet from the Nation Of Islam's float at the Notting Hill Carnival, does that count?

(I accept that I provoked the bow-tie wearing scum but I wanted to test their reaction to a honky feigning interest in their racist propoganda)

I was asked to pay 50p for a "free" leaflet from the Nation Of Islam's float at the Notting Hill Carnival, does that count?

I'm on the phone to Trevor Phillips right now. 😆

I have been disadvantaged by being a Englishman in Scotland working in a female dominatged profession.

Enfit - I don't think everyones racist - just like to point it out when it occurs and to point out the hypocrisy surrounding it. The casual racism on this forum is a poor reflection on the people in it.

Grumm - I have told you before - its "political correctness living with mental health issues"

I wondered how long it'd be before the Porch monkey stuff came up on here - Kevin Smith at his best!

So, why is it that people of African origin can't swim? 😛

Out of interest - where does "Anton du Beke" originate from? It doesn't sound a particulalry British name.
(I am embarassed to say it sounds kind of Belgian....)

"born Tony Beak" according to the oracle of Wikipedia.

Yeah those Belgiumums are a right bunch of racist peados.

Phew.....

That says it all though! C0CK

Tony Beak!?
🙂

if I, a middle class white fellow, greet my friend, also a middle class white fellow, with "sup nigga?" to which he replies "sup coon!"

am i a racist
is he a racist?

im seated and prepped for "no, your just dicks"

i realise its a bit out of context, as its not what mr anton meant, but if i hear an uncooth youth being an orrible wizards sleve to a person of the asian persuasion, and calling them a ****, i think its quite funny, as the probability of them acutally being ****stani, is fairly low isnt it?

is "asian persuasion" racist?
they may well be asian, but they didnt choose to be, but then again, the porobably WOULD choose to be if they had the choice surely?
its not implying theres anything wrong with being from asia, massive continent that it is.
im so confused!
my head hurts 🙁

Olly, are you Nathan Barley?

If you could trace any african descent then you'd be free to use the term as you see fit and label any honkys using it as "racist scum". Whether or not the honky lived in an ethnically-enriched area and had picked it up as street slang is neither here nor there. I think that's how it's worked out. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. 😳

Don't you just love the term "ethnically-enriched" and how it implies something is lacking in areas that are mainly white. I remember an Asian woman on Wife-Swap referring to her new home as being in a "horribly-white" area. 😀

[i]if I, a middle class white fellow, greet my friend, also a middle class white fellow, with "sup nigga?"[/i]

I agree that this is probably not racist as such in that context. It's a problem, isn't it, because the word has a particularly strong taboo around it because of its place in the history of black slavery and oppression over centuries. Use of it in jest between white men is not so much racist as disrespectful and evidence of a lack of awareness and sensibility on the issue of racial abuse.

If you told someone that you "have a hang-over like the holocaust" you'd be in similar territory.

It is for the most confusing and it's very easy to tie oneself in knots over this stuff. But it remains pretty easy to avoid actually offending anyone.

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

sort of, in that, if you DONT fit into that box, you are guaranteed an interview with a number of organisations, the EA, the police, the council etc.... iirc.

Mr Agreeable - Member
Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list
Have a look here. I don't see anything about background, class or ethnic origins.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/finding_a_place_to_live/council_waiting_lists/who_gets_priority

Well done though. You've clearly set your targets very high if you've got nothing better to do than get indignant about who gets a better council house.

Thanks Mr Agreeable for the motivational pep talk, however my sights are firmly set and I'm working towards to achieving my goals.

I am a home owner and fortunately never been in the position of needing state benefits or social housing, but I know people who have needed help from local authorities and been told in no uncertain terms that due to their background they will unlikely qualify for help. Others from ethnic backgrounds will be granted housing before them. The system isn't a first come first served, it's more fill a quota, tick box type allocation.

It's a rather patronising outlook to hold that people who need the help of the state all set their sights on achieving it. Sometimes marriage break-ups, redundancies, illness and other change of circumstances mean that life doesn't turn out so rosy for everyone.

mr agreeable yes i have as it happens i applied for the police when i left the forces and was knocked back as they were as they put it only recruiting ethnics at the time. i was told to reapply a year later so i did again i was told sorry still ethnics only weve not met targets . they told me to try the met but i gave up on it as a bad job as they clearly had issues ;-(

Use of it in jest between white men is not so much racist as disrespectful and evidence of a lack of awareness and sensibility on the issue of racial abuse.

not an argument against your point, just a development.

If you told someone that you "have a hang-over like the holocaust" you'd be in similar territory.

cpon - Member

........ but I know people who have needed help from local authorities and been told in no uncertain terms that due to their background they will unlikely qualify for help. Others from ethnic backgrounds will be granted housing before them. The system isn't a first come first served, it's more fill a quota, tick box type allocation.

That is 100% untrue " a mate of mine told me that............"

Rubbish - utter and complete drivel

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?