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I really do believe that Jihadis are at least partly driven by sexual and emotional frustration.
I think it’s anger. They always seem bloody angry!

They’re always very shouty too! All that ALLAH AKBAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!! nonsense. Perhaps its the combination of itchy beards, shouting-induced sore throat, lack of access to pornography, and an absence of bacon buttes.

Lets be honest, thats a pretty horrendous combination. Add in all that sand, when you’re wearing what’s effectively a dress, and imagine thaw sweaty, sandy arse you’ll end up with. Its no wonder they’re so bloody angry!

Perhaps we shouldn’t be dropping aid, we should be littering the area with moisturiser, strepsels, unsmoked back, and copies of Razzle?

Strange isnt it that the West condemns Israel for smashing Hamas and we all seem to be calling for ISIS to be wiped out.

The beheading in my mind was done out of desperation, where they have ruled the roost in Iraq and Syria by being brutal and rolling over everything in their path suddenly death comes silently from above. Seeing your mates vapourised with no warning must be terrifying. That is going to make you think twice about what you are doing.
So matey in desperation and trying to bolster his own forces tells his followers that he can stop the Americans, all he has done is sign his own death warrant, they will know who he is by now. If anything it will bring more air strikes not less.

I really do believe that Jihadis are at least partly driven by sexual and emotional frustration.

Like all young men?

I really do believe that Jihadis are at least partly driven by sexual and emotional frustration.
I think it’s anger. They always seem bloody angry!

too right, I get itchy with 4 days growth, a compulsory beard would and I’d be a nutter too

.Dave giving his initial support to these animals in trying to topple the Syrian government was not a wise move.

@gonzy – I don’t know if Cameron was proposing helping ISIS or the “other” rebels inc Palastinians who where fighting Assad, I really don’t know. Cameron was trying to stop the deaths of civilians which was into the 100,000+ range. My view is that whilst Assad is pretty horrible like Hussein he was/is better than the alternative. Shows the difficulties of getting involved.

binners – Member
I really do believe that Jihadis are at least partly driven by sexual and emotional frustration.
I think it’s anger. They always seem bloody angry!
They’re always very shouty too! All that ALLAH AKBAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!! nonsense. Perhaps its the combination of itchy beards, shouting-induced sore throat, lack of access to pornography, and an absence of bacon buttes.

Lets be honest, thats a pretty horrendous combination.

Perhaps we shouldn’t be dropping aid, we should be littering the area with moisturiser, streusels, unsmoked back, and copies of Razzle?Reason like that and you could almost begin to feel sorry for them.

As you say, Alan’s Snack Bar is getting plenty of publicity. It’s an ill wind and all that.

I’ve said this before here. Courtesy of rotten & steak & cheese circa 2002/2003 my curiosity allowed me to watch dial up videos of the very worst kind of atrocities.

I never appreciated the value and effect of watching stuff from Bosnia/ Iraq-1st time- and various grim suicides at the time. In the long term I believe it’s made me a kinder person, but the old adage is true: Something seen can never be unseen.

Watch it, you will never cleanse the images from your memory but it’s nothing more significant than some more obscure Don mcCullin or exhibits at genocide/holocaust memorial centres.

I can’t watch anything like this – I remember seeing the footage of David Howes and Derek Wood being dragged from their car in Belfast in the 1980s and that image has stuck with me to this day.

Guys I think it’s too soon for all this joking about. James Foley has had his head cut off.

I really do believe that Jihadis are at least partly driven by sexual and emotional frustration

Neither funny nor insightful

We have peaceful oil supply nations in the GCC.

I think you are confusing repressive non democratic countries and peaceful. Most of the arab nations were “peaceful” pre the arab spring

We could call China and North Korea peaceful whilst we are at it.
I am not sure what your point is tbh

Its difficult to imagine the situation being any worse. But thats the beauty of the Middle East. It never fails to surprise with just how much more apocalyptic it can become. I reckon that if we go in, the situation can only deteriorate further. We’ll have no more success than on any other previous adventures. Just leave the mad bastards to it!

They want their caliphate? Great. It’ll be like an international magnet for hardcore nut-jobs. Fantastic. And what these lot always prove is that as soon as they get their own place they then start enthusiastically having games of ‘I’m more islamic than you’ , then wiping each other out.

You know, I could kind of almost agree. However, I rather like the Kurds having worked with some and having a few friends who are Kurds. So in this instance I’m pretty happy about arming them to the teeth, couldn’t meet a bunch of nicer people.

I doubt we will have kurdish fighters using our own weapons against us, so if there’s a good chance that the kurds can push back ISIS without losing our own anti-tank weapons or whatever to ISIS then I couldn’t care less.

how would that make ‘us’ any better?

You’re just asking me to feel bad about scraping dogshit off my shoe.

😈

cfinnimore – Member
…I never appreciated the value and effect of watching stuff from Bosnia/ Iraq-1st time- and various grim suicides at the time. In the long term I believe it’s made me a kinder person, but the old adage is true: Something seen can never be unseen.

It’s a paradox. I for one, don’t want to see the images or video (I can remember the IRA killings another poster alludes to here and I still remember them) but agree that on some level they do serve as a poignant reminder of both mortality and absolute solidarity with all other humans. There is something very de-objectifying about the spectacle.

jambalaya – Member
Guys I think it’s too soon for all this joking about. James Foley has had his head cut off.

Whilst it is not in itself a laughing matter, if we loose all humour as a result of these barbaric acts then surely they have won?

Tom – Absolutely agree. I’d happily arm to Kurds up to the teeth. And remember after the first Gulf war, they set up a protection zone for the Kurds. So that if Sadaam came anywhere near them, he knew what he’d get. Surely its not beyond us, with all the military hardware at our disposal, to do the same again?

Lets be honest. This caliphate already exists. Whether we like it or not. Its the facts on the ground that count. So why not acknowledge that, and regard its present borders as exactly that. They do!

Or we could have a massive war – and this would be a proper one, this time! – and like I said earlier, I’d put my house on the end result being either what we’ve got now, or (if it were possible) something even worse

This piece is quite interesting

Guardian Link

Tom – remember after the first Gulf war, they set up a protection zone for the Kurds. So that if Sadaam came anywhere near them, he knew what he’d get. Surely its not beyond us, with all the military hardware at our disposal to do the same.

Yup, it also worked well and the Kurds have never forgotten it. We can have friends in the middle east, Bosnians also love us for helping them out. Funnily enough they aren’t prone to radicalism either.

Just thinking aloud before anyone screams that I’m a warmongering neocon personification of evil.

I’ve been resigned to my own horrified fate before.. it was an utterly hollow and defeated experience..

That aside, seeing as this macabre subject has had a thread dedicated to it, did anyone see the video that did the rounds a few years ago of the Congolese Christian missionaries fairly casually beating and burning alive a small group of villagers, men, women and children, that had been accused of witchcraft?

It haunted me for months and months and when I think of it now I still get a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach and tears prick my eyes..
I could never have imagined such an appalling scene and the wretchedness of those victims was harrowing as again and again they were forced back into the fire pit..

There was no fighting, no running or thrashing about.. just confused and utterly broken people pathetically using the very last of their will, stumbling backwards and forwards between a rock and a hard place, consumed by fear, anguish and agony

I think you are confusing repressive non democratic countries and peaceful. Most of the arab nations were “peaceful” pre the arab spring

@JY my point is that Arab and Muslim nations can be peaceful, including those with Western “interference”. Given the choice between repression (your word not mine) and the current situation in Iraq and Syria it’s clear to me which is better. I would suggest Egypt and Lybia are less stable today as democracies than they where before.

wrecker – Member

There are UK and USA citizens fighting in conflicts all over the world, many of whom are trained at the taxpayers expense as they are ex-military. We should be hunting down these ‘soldiers of fortune’ as well.

Not really correct, and not remotely comparable. They aren’t acting as mercenaries in the sense that they aren’t fighting for a nation or cause. They are security contractors and aren’t really paid to “fight” at all. They are hired protection, not hired warfighters. Very very different to idealogical war tourists comitting genocide, and an ignorant comparison. [/quote]

I am not talking about security contractors, I am talking about paid mercenaries, people who fight in conflicts in exchange for a wage. Are you suggesting these people don’t exist? Whilst not directly comparable to ideological war tourists committing genocide, as you put it, these mercenaries are also UK citizens involved in other peoples seedy ‘wars’ and I would not welcome them back. Nothing ignorant about that.

@JY my point is that Arab and Muslim nations can be peaceful, including those with Western “interference”. Given the choice between repression (your word not mine) and the current situation in Iraq and Syria it’s clear to me which is better. I would suggest Egypt and Lybia are less stable today as democracies than they where before.

So was France….

worth bearing in mind here I think that what IS were doing to the Yaszidis and others was as good as genocide, a crime against humanity. likewise stories of them rolling in to villages and murdering all the inhabitants, that’s what the Nazis did in Russia, the Balkans and so on.

it’s no bad thing to get on with stopping them.

whats the UK version of a jihadi? is it my religious right to drag some scrrote muslim off the street and behead him in public also?

I fear in my childrens lifetime the people who say it would never happen here will see this on the streets of the UK ,

oh catshroedinger… you are priceless 😆

I reckon you probably need a cuddle love

catschroedinger – Member
whats the UK version of a jihadi? is it my religious right to drag some scrrote muslim off the street and behead him in public also?

I fear in my childrens lifetime the people who say it would never happen here will see this on the streets of the UK ,I sincerely hope that never happens. The sort of people most likely to be carrying out such summary executions are not likely to be capable of telling Sikhs, Hindus and atheist Arabs and Asians from Jihadists.

That said, there are more peaceful British citizens than there are fundamentalists and terrorists.

Ultimatum the iraqis; go get your oil producing and refining plant back or we’ll bomb the lot.

I really do believe that Jihadis are at least partly driven by sexual and emotional frustration.

I think we have the founder of the movement;
Fundamentalists Urging Carnal Knowledge (Middle East)

I reckon you probably need a cuddle love

I DO! I DO! ME! ME!

ISIS has grown out of the Syrian civil war in which the West was not involved.

We could not intervene in Syria, we can intervene in Iraq

oh but the UK and the west did get involved…its just that they didnt do it in the same way they did with Iraq. they supported the Syrian rebels in trying to overthrow Assaad….when that failed they kind of sloped off into the background. the rebels then carried on fighting and killing and formed what we now know as ISIS.

@ jambalaya…are you going to answer my question from the other thread? i have a tenner on it to say that you cant.

I can’t believe people think we should not help the poor people being murdered everyday, not only because it’s right but because we are some what responsible.

I used to sometimes talk to an old boy now retired who used to be quit high up in the TA, as he sometimes shot at the same club as me.
A few years ago when it was first announced that we were going to be pulling out of Afghanistan or Iraq he was very pissed off. Some of his reasons selfish others not so.

1, he thought our army should be fighting someone somewhere at all times as if not there budget would be cut along with their personnel.

2, he saw it as a soft war, more on the job training, as any army that is entirely made up of people who have never seen action or fired a shot in anger would not be fit for purpose if the shit really hit the fan.

3. Nation building and installing democracy could not be done in less than three generations because as long as how it used to be was in living memory it was too easy to go back,and without strong leadership it would soon descend into a modern day dark age.

I said three generations is a long time, he said that’s how long it takes if you are not prepared to see it through do not get involved in the first place.
And the timescale did not bother him see 1 and 2.

I said What about the people bought home in body bags.
He said these are not green grocers these are soldiers, people who are prepared to stand up and be counted and to fight to help others against evil .

And to not use an army to do what’s right because some may be killed, well you may as well not have an army in the first place.

I remember some one on here maybe even ton saying their daughter had signed up.

No one wants there loved ones in harms way but surely the reason you are proud is because they are prepared to stand up and be counted for what is right.

No one wants there loved ones in harms way but surely the reason you are proud is because they are prepared to stand up and be counted for what is right.

That’s an entirely different debate. If it could be honestly said that the British army was used purely for aiding the oppressed, fighting evil, and defending the British people and it’s allies from external (or internal) aggressors then I think many people could stomach the sacrifice. However all too often it is used to defend/improve the profits of private companies and the corrupt interests of politicians and their friends. In this scenario I think it’s hardly surprising there’s a reluctance to put boots on the ground for fear of body bags coming home. Your friend in the TA displays a rather shocking disdain for the lives of his personnel. Maintaining his budget should be the last reason to risk the lives of soldiers.

No one wants there loved ones in harms way but surely the reason you are proud is because they are prepared to stand up and be counted for what is right.

by doing the wrong thing. its not their fault however, they serve their countries and follow the orders they are given by their superiors. in recent events their superiors have got it wrong and the military personnel have paid the ultimate price.

So who made us the worlds police and conscience then? Nobody! Or maybe Tony Blair! Its nowt to do with us! Every single thing we’ve done in the region has made things worse. Everything! Without a single solitary exception!

I don’t expect that to change any time soon. Let them get on with it!

Are you suggesting these people don’t exist?

Not very bloody many mate. Like, in the dozens maybe (probably less due to the well paid contractor work out there). They are still not causing the problems that these “citizens” are and don’t pose a fraction of the risk to the UK as the chances of them coming home and blowing up the number 67 from waterloo is pretty much zero.

@ jambalaya…are you going to answer my question from the other thread? i have a tenner on it to say that you cant.

@gonzy I haven’t been back to it since last week and hadn’t read any question, will do so. I can answer any question, you might not think the answer makes sense or agree with what I say but I can provide an answer even if its 42. No need to waste £10.

Co-incidently did you know the Head of Communications for ISIS in Syria lives with his family in Southern Gaza ? A few videos posted online earlier this year from ISIS groups on the strip.

So who made us the worlds police and conscience then?

Arms companies, oil companies, mining companies, industrial services companies, security companies etc. Too much money at stake not to have a ‘conscience’.

^ He’s on the money; the Bush nest egg Halliburton has profited hugely from war in Iraq, though that should come as no surprise given Prescott Bush’s profits from the 2nd World War…

Can only begin to imagine how much the Rothchilds and one of their pet projects the Federal Reserve are set to gain…

John Foley’s last piece written in Syria, Oct 2012. Quite telling

“The terrorism here in Syria is spreading, and the government has to do something about it,” said Mohamed Kabal, a 21-year-old university student.

“The people in Syria must have an iron hand to rule them, otherwise we will eat each other,” he said, unconcerned that the rebel sympathizers nearby might hear him. “If the government is gone we will have a civil war that will never end.”

link

John Foley’s last piece written in Syria, Oct 2012. Quite telling

“The terrorism here in Syria is spreading, and the government has to do something about it,” said Mohamed Kabal, a 21-year-old university student.

“The people in Syria must have an iron hand to rule them, otherwise we will eat each other,” he said, unconcerned that the rebel sympathizers nearby might hear him. “If the government is gone we will have a civil war that will never end.”

link

Theres only one solution to this ,roll out the NUKES and absolutely SHOW THEM THE TRUE MEANING OF HOLOCAUST blanket bomb the shit out of the whole region till theres no-one left ,the nuclear winter is surely far more prefferable to islamic nutjacks and their brand of terrorism

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Wot chip sed.

But are we all actually bothered, or pretend bothered and we’ll not care after dinner?

But are we all actually bothered, or pretend bothered and we’ll not care after dinner?

It’s true; with the constant streaming news, we have our emotions manipulated on a momentary basis… certainly, this death was barbaric, but so were the 4 men beheaded by U.S. Allies and alleged ISIS funders Saudi Arabia for smuggling drugs.

As for the death count in Gaza today; reports are mixed, but as I understand, there’s been at least 20, not to mention injuries; if Israel are using flechette shells as reported, then these are likely to be horrific.

The overall daily death toll in Syria averages out around 60.

So, just why is it that this one life is so worthy of such dedicated press coverage, if not for manipulation of not only the general populace, but also the press themselves, who will naturally want revenge…