All Pledge Allegiance to the New King

I don’t really understand pledges and oaths.
Is it like that time in 1981 when Charles said

“…forsaking all others
keep thee only unto her
so long as you both shall live…
To love and to cherish
Till death us do part
According to God’s holy law…”

and then just ignored it all when it became inconvenient?
Is that how it this new one works?

Its still feudalistic. Have you read the pledge?

Not if you don’t say it… There is a choice.

Fair point

I am a citizen not a subject

This is why they were testing the emergency alert system, makes you think…

I’m with Three, so at least I’m safe when the signal is sent out to activate the vaccine. I just have to somehow evade all the others after they turn.

I am a citizen not a subject

I think that’s the message that’s been lost in the media….

Previously the landowner where you live would have said these words, you would have been a subject included within that persons allegiances if you liked it or not. No choice. It’s been changed so there is a choice – say / don’t say 🤷‍♂️

Watch it on the telly/or don’t 🤷‍♂️

I think it’s good for debate about the RF and their place in the  UK, but a huge cock up on their part for gauging the mood, hopefully they will take note.

This is perhaps worth a read.

Here is a very short thread on this news story, and how the story has become bigger than it probably deserves to be:

If you read the text the BBC put out here, it says "Public *asked* to swear allegiance to King Charles"

That's not quite the case… pic.twitter.com/QfTWiJRPBo

— dan barker (@danbarker) April 30, 2023

That Twitter thread is worth reading. Thanks.

I think the bigger story is how conviniently the event is timed. Local elections on Thursday, and most of the votes won’t be counted and results released till late Friday. Any disaster for the Tories and newsworthy gains by Labour/Greens/Lib Dem plus any problems with voter ID will be completely overshadowed in the media by this nonsense all weekend. Which is quite convinient really isn’t it.

The pledge is optional and essentially meaningless, although I’ll feel obligated when in Westminster abbey. 

It’s none of my business, but I doubt anyone will be checking, and there will be a fair few attendees that wouldn’t be expected to say the pledge even by the most ardent royalist e.g. foreigners

I think the bigger story is how conviniently the event is timed.

Okay – who chose the date of the elections and when did they do it? Who chose the date of the coronation and when did they do it?

oh please “Invited” is softer sounding than “asked”, straws being clutched for there. Does it sound soft when invited to help police with their inquiries ?

Invited, solicited, approached, petitioned, requested, asked for.

That Twitter thread is worth reading. Thanks.

Yeah, discovered yesterday(30th April) is National Tabby Cat Day. I’ll have to keep that in mind for the family mog.

King pointless ?. No interest.

It’s ok, environmental impact has been sorted https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65447193

@politecameraaction

well good question – from wikipedia:

The Duke of Norfolk, Edward Fitzalan-Howard, is in charge of organising the coronation as hereditary Earl Marshal. A committee of privy counsellors will arrange the event.

In October 2022, the date of Charles and Camilla‘s coronation was announced: Saturday 6 May 2023 at Westminster Abbey Buckingham Palace set the date to ensure sufficient time to mourn the death of Queen Elizabeth II before holding a joyous ceremony In November 2022, the government proclaimed that an extra bank holiday would occur on 8 May, two days after the coronation.[ On 20 January 2023, Buckingham Palace announced plans for the coronation weekend between 6 and 8 May

From reading that I would say that a lifelong Tory had a chinwag with the current government with a few suggested dates and came up with one that would suit all parties…well not ALL parties obviously.

oh please “Invited” is softer sounding than “asked”, straws being clutched for there. Does it sound soft when invited to help police with their inquiries ?

You didn’t read the thread then?

“ All who so desire … “

Come down to the station if you so desire… or in more day to day speak… come down to the station if you want to… yes, that sounds “softer” and has a different meaning.

more straw clutching News organisations going to report on the press releases they are sent from the Arch dicks office.

A committee of privy counsellors will arrange the event.

I love the fact we still have officials whose role originated from those hanging about the monarch while he took a shit.

The Royal wipers

I’ll pledge allegiance if non-adherence means I lose my extra bank holiday. Otherwise – nah, you’re alright, ta.

At least we get an extra day off as a result of all this tosh.

Its all good as Ant and Dec will be attending, high brow tv personalities that they are.

Ah I’ve got a song for this

New King

I have worked closely with a lot of ex-military and have attended Shrivenham on a staff course.

Ooh, you must be a badass. Sounds a lot like ‘some of my best friends are {insert demographic to validate point}’.

Doing a staff course at Shrivenham is in no way shape or form impressive, officers routinely get rinsed when any of their dits start with ‘when I was at Sandhurst/Staff College’.

You want people to potentially give their lives for their country? Then you need instill a certain amount of blind allegiance in them.

You’re just as bad. What utter shite.

All the risks i’ve been exposed to over the course of my career were never for the country, they were for my friends and colleagues who were also at risk in those moments. The crown and country bit is added in retrospect by the MOD and media, lets people feel better about the loss or some shit.

I’ll take my 24 years of actual experience, not some weak-ass attempt at association. Trying to validate a point with some pretty thin, if not made up associations is pretty pathetic.

I’d suggest you lay off reading Commando comics or hanging out with officers if you want to have any chance at understanding the military and how the pointy-end works.

More importantly
Its a big welcome back to MidlandTrailQuestGraham who was a very regular poster. Been awsy on a sabbatical for a couple of years. Nice to see you again

It’s almost a century since any other European royalty had a coronation service – King Zog of Albania in 1928.
Cost of living crisis crime

Er… @Tesco. We need to talk ??‍♀️ @restorationcake @carolynaday @HistoryandMoore pic.twitter.com/Xa2nkLs0BT

— Alexandra Churchill ✌?⭐️⭐️ (@churchill_alex) May 1, 2023

they were for my friends and colleagues who were also at risk in those moments.

I was under the impression(according to a mate who was ‘in’) that it was all about the testing bonuses, the beery post exercise nights and the fact you get to throw hand grenades.

Ooh, you must be a badass. Sounds a lot like ‘some of my best friends are {insert demographic to validate point}’.

Doing a staff course at Shrivenham is in no way shape or form impressive, officers routinely get rinsed when any of their dits start with ‘when I was at Sandhurst/Staff College’.

Shrivenham was interesting, looking in from the outside at how the military mindset works. The majority very right wing, closed minds, would refuse to take any criticism of their organisations from various speakers.

The only really cynical military people I met, were on their way out and were quite scathing of the whole thing.

All the risks i’ve been exposed to over the course of my career were never for the country, they were for my friends and colleagues who were also at risk in those moments.

I bet they were. That’s the “trick”. You have been taught to feel like that.

I don’t doubt the bravery or the skill of the UKs armed forces but to think that some kind of “conditioning” is not involved is nonsense.

As for the Crown, why do the military have so many portraits of the Queen/King everywhere?

Why are all the lesser royals always dressed up in military costume?

That Tesco faux pas is pretty good!

officers routinely get rinsed when any of their dits start with ‘when I was at Sandhurst/Staff College’.

I think there may be some military jargon involved and I am basically guessing at the meaning of “rinse” and “dit” here.

As for the Crown, why do the military have so many portraits of the Queen/King everywhere?

Isn’t the monarch notionally the top top brass, though the PM is in practice the overall commander?

Essentially yes. Monarch, but delegated to the government.

Tradition is a bit thing in the military. I can understand it, but was never really fully at ease with it. It’s probably a good thing I left the country.

would refuse to take any criticism of their organisations from various speakers.

As an organisation; the British Army is, y’know, pretty good at what it does. And it’s been pretty good at what it does since oooohhh about 1707. I think it can probably get away with shrugging off some criticism

Shrivenham was interesting, looking in from the outside at how the military mindset works.

Attending a few lectures at Shrivenham as a civilian and thinking you have some insight into ‘the military mindset’ puts you in the same category as walting airsofters and COD players thinking the same.

‘Military mindset’ because, yes everyone serving is incapable of independent thought and are all one homogenous group who think the same. Like Muslims? Scots? scousers? Football supporters?

That’s the “trick”. You have been taught to feel like that.

No, it’s comradeship and loyalty. A bond forged by shared experience of danger.  Something you’ve clearly never experienced if you think ‘it’s a trick’.

As for the Crown, why do the military have so many portraits of the Queen/King everywhere?

Err.. because he/she is the commander in chief of the armed forces?

Why are all the lesser royals always dressed up in military costume?

Some are honorary colonels in chief. Many have served, often in operational theatres. They are entitled to wear it. Refering to military uniform as ‘costume’ betrays your true attitude to the military.  You’ve as much insight into the military as I have into Grand Prix driving, because I went on the dodgems once.

@blokeuptheroad *chefs kiss

As an organisation; the British Army is, y’know, pretty good at what it does. And it’s been pretty good at what it does since oooohhh about 1707. I think it can probably get away with shrugging off some criticism

I’d agree, although it is a slow and ungainly beast in regards to change. It gets there eventually, painfully slow as it can be. But there are reasons for that.

This is mostly because change is pushed upon by people who’ve attended a staff course as a civilian and think they understand…

@greyspoke

Rinsed = take the piss out of

Dit = tales or stories

They are entitled to wear it. Refering to military uniform as ‘costume’ betrays your true attitude to the military.

I’d disagree. I’m not aware of a member of the royal family that wears the rank they earned on their own merit from the time they served. They also flip between uniforms of the different services – I’m assuming in their honorary capacity. To that end I can see the costume analogy.

* I served. Actually ‘shared’ a desk with Andrew on 815 Squadron (I say shared – I was a young midshipman on holdover and in need of place to work and let’s just say his desk was rarely used).

More broadly the services are a broad church like the society they are drawn from. Well, arguably a bit narrower. Within that broad church there will be a fair number of vocal and visible ‘traditionists’ who have a certain stereotypical view of queen(now king) and country. Also a certain predisposition to to share Britain first posts, largely because the BF hooked them with some of their simple narratives. But that is only a fraction of the services – don’t tar all of us/them with the same brush.

Also a certain predisposition to to share Britain first posts, largely because the BF hooked them with some of their simple narratives. But that is only a fraction of the services – don’t tar all with the same brush.

Not all but much more than a fraction.

There’s many who serve and who are very much an empty uniform, I get more bent out of shape about those sorts than a Royal acting as Colonel-in-Chief.

Not all but much more than a fraction.

You cannot say that with any confidence. Unless it’s the confidence of an idiot.