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  • All Pledge Allegiance to the New King
  • Cougar
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    I’m not one to rag on the police. I have little doubt that they are staffed by humans just like every other profession and there will be good and bad examples. I’ve had positive and negative interactions with on-the-ground police, just as I have with technical support staff, healthcare professionals, salespeople, supermarket checkout attendants…

    But – it’s not just me is it? – it’s always the bloody Met. There appears to be, to me on the outside looking in, something rotten to the core about that particular gang police force.

    jhinwxm
    Free Member

    Its a shame the MET police focus was yet again in the wrong place and aimed at the wrong people, but nothing new there.
    Can you imagine if the Royal God and saviour of mankind (and the environment) Charlie, saw some banners and got mildly uncomfortable at the sight of it? That just wouldn’t do, after all he thoroughly deserves his god-like wealth and status. #squeakyclean

    The irony that that millions of people got together to celebrate financing a criminal family who consistently escape justice is not lost on me, especially when the MET police were clearly deeply worried about a few folk who might glue or chain themselves to some railings and hold up a sign saying NOT MY KING. The devils.

    nickc
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    I think our PM has already made it clear it was all the Mets fault and nothing to do with poorly worded and rushed legislation being left open to interpretation

    I’m pretty sure the Met is more than capable of clarifying any new legislation its being asked to carry out should it want to do that. I understand that the protesters were in months of negotiations with them about what they wanted to do.

    dissonance
    Full Member

    But – it’s not just me is it? – it’s always the bloody Met.

    They are the largest force by far (Scottish police are second but only roughly half and thats the whole of Scotland) and also have most of the big events so it isnt unexpected that they do get more headlines. Especially since a story there is more likely to be reported nationally anyway vs a story about a Manchester copper for example.
    With that said they do seem to be badly screwed up.

    gobuchul
    Free Member

    West Yorkshire Police have some form as fascist bully boys.

    w00dster
    Full Member

    I get a feeling the Met knew exactly what it was doing and is using the easier to seek forgiveness than permission mantra.
    Obviously I have no idea, but from what I’ve read it was always going to be a case of certain people being arrested and then an apology being given out afterwards.
    We will have weeks of lies and twisted background information, worded as “we had intelligence” to shape their excuses….people will fall for this and soon it will all be forgotten.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Can you imagine if the Royal God and saviour of mankind (and the environment) Charlie, saw some banners and got mildly uncomfortable at the sight of it? That just wouldn’t do, after all he thoroughly deserves his god-like wealth and status. #squeakyclean

    As I understand it – and I could be wrong – they were removed for planned disruption rather than standing there quietly with signs. An attempted mass distribution of rape alarm sirens for (obviously) wholly unrelated reasons, for instance.

    The irony that that millions of people got together to celebrate financing a criminal family who consistently escape justice is not lost on me,

    What crimes would they be?

    MoreCashThanDash
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    I’m pretty sure the Met is more than capable of clarifying any new legislation its being asked to carry out should it want to do that

    Given that various civil service departments I’ve worked in have encouraged people to challenge a decision we’ve made to try and get badly worded legislation clarified, I’m not so sure.

    kilo
    Full Member

    Given that various civil service departments I’ve worked in have encouraged people to challenge a decision we’ve made to try and get badly worded legislation clarified, I’m not so sure.

    We’ll given the NPCC , which MPS is party to, made submissions on the Public Order Act I suspect they had a reasonable handle on the new legislation.

    dissonance
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    As I understand it – and I could be wrong – they were removed for planned disruption rather than standing there quietly with signs

    Yes they were arrested before they could actually hold the signs. Its unclear what the claimed offence was although its suggested it was being equipped with things which could be used to tie themselves to objects.

    An attempted mass distribution of rape alarm sirens for (obviously) wholly unrelated reasons, for instance.

    That was the separate genius action by the met the previous night of nicking the night stars volunteer team who dont seem connected with the protest at all but do carry rape alarms to hand up (along with other items).

    DrJ
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    That was the separate genius action by the met the previous night of nicking the night stars volunteer team who dont seem connected with the protest at all but do carry rape alarms to hand up (along with other items).

    But the police had received intelligence of a planned attack using rape alarms. More specifically, they’d read a Mail headline that propagated this particular line of bullshit.

    We really have moved into Monty Python territory. I realise that it’s usually binners’ job to refer to old MP sketches, but I refer my honourable friend to the “Doug and Dinsdale Piranha” sketch where a policeman says “We in Q Division were keeping tabs on their every move, by reading the colour supplements”
    Life now imitating art.

    MoreCashThanDash
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    We’ll given the NPCC , which MPS is party to, made submissions on the Public Order Act I suspect they had a reasonable handle on the new legislation.

    I can assure you that civil service departments are consulted and get input to the process, but that doesn’t mean the thing that comes out at the end is fit for purpose.

    Northwind
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    dissonance
    Full Member

    Yes they were arrested before they could actually hold the signs. Its unclear what the claimed offence was although its suggested it was being equipped with things which could be used to tie themselves to objects


    https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-arrests-made-during-policing-operation-for-the-coronation-466461

    But it’s alright that they told outright lies on social media and arrested people on false grounds, because “they regret it.”

    It’s not entirely the met’s fault of course, since the law they vhose to abuse to arrest these protestors is a badly written mess that’s pretty much designed to encourage overstepping and abuse.

    nickc
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    somafunk
    Full Member

    State sponsored jackbooted thugs.

    ernielynch
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    For me personally it isn’t the case of mistaken identity which I find particularly shocking, these things happen, it is the extraordinary police overreaction to protestors who haven’t even had a chance to protest.

    I can understand how the authorities would want what is a fairly important state occasion to proceed without interruption but I am sure that could have been achieved in a less heavy-handed authoritarian manner.

    jhinwxm
    Free Member

    As I understand it – and I could be wrong – they were removed for planned disruption rather than standing there quietly with signs. An attempted mass distribution of rape alarm sirens for (obviously) wholly unrelated reasons, for instance.

    What crimes would they be?

    We’ll never know becuase the Police decided they’d commited a crime before they did anything. They’ve since admitted they were wrong in case that was missed.

    As for what crimes – where do you want me to start? How far back do I go?

    Rape, Theft, Murder, Paedophilia, Tax Evasion, trafficking . The list is long and obvious. Lets not forget Randfy Andy dishing out 12 million to someone he claims he’s never met.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Rape, Theft, Murder, Paedophilia, Tax Evasion, trafficking .

    That Queen’s Mother’s smile never fooled me.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    As for what crimes – where do you want me to start? How far back do I go?

    I don’t know, you’re the one making the assertions. Only you can know how far back you need to go. You said “criminal family.” What are you talking about, Henry the Eighth?

    Andy’s transgressions are well publicised in so far as he was allegedly complicit in moving a teenager across US state borders to one where the age of consent was lower. The truth about him being a wrong ‘un possibly runs deeper than we’ll ever know. But the rest of your post there is just flamboyant noise, can you explain any of it further?

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    Only you can know how far back you need to go

    I wouldn’t go too far back, or you’ll find Andy’s crimes don’t even merit a mention.

    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    flamboyant noise

    Not like the restrained dignity of stopping London so you can have a magic hat encrusted with African diamonds placed on your bonce.

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    For me personally it isn’t the case of mistaken identity which I find particularly shocking, these things happen, it is the extraordinary police overreaction to protestors who haven’t even had a chance to protest.

    The fact that everyone they arrested was then detained long enough for the ‘festivities’ to be completed, without any effort to actually process them, suggests they were just sweeping people off the streets with zero intention of actually pursuing criminal charges.

    edhornby
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    As for criminality, there are numerous reports of illegal hunting and wildlife crimes like shooting endangered species on their land but the cops have to ask permission to go on their estates, they can’t get a warrant like everyone else, and if they say no then tough t1ts. Same for reports of mistreatment of staff like verbal and physical abuse, breaches of working times and conditions that are not properly investigated. Or the receipt of a million quid in notes in a suitcase from a saudi  that would be subject to financial investigation if it were anyone else. Estimated billions in dodgy offshore investment vehicles (think Jimmy Carr, Gary Barlow) that aren’t investigated. The accounts of their private companies are quite likely to be an absolute sh1tshow that would have anyone else prosecuted for fraud.

    bear in mind that the royals get to vet any law that may impact them

    ernielynch
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    Estimated billions in dodgy offshore investment vehicles (think Jimmy Carr, Gary Barlow) that aren’t investigated.

    What’s that got to do with policing the coronation or the litany of crimes committed by the Royal Family?

    And isn’t dodgy offshore investment an issue for HMRC rather than the police? I thought that in the case of Jimmy Carr it had indeed been investigated?

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Thats the point Ernie – Carr and the like get investigated and dealt with .  the royal family do not

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Ah I see. But it’s not a police issue is it? It is the responsibility of the bizarrely named HM Revenue and Customs.

    Edit : Btw Jimmy Carr wasn’t found to have done anything illegal, so I’m not sure that provides a good example of how the Royal Family should be punished in the same way as celebrities.

    DrJ
    Full Member

    Not like the restrained dignity of stopping London so you can have a magic hat encrusted with African diamonds placed on your bonce.

    Not to mention all those ambulances that were prevented from reaching emergencies.

    jhinwxm
    Free Member

    As for criminality, there are numerous reports of illegal hunting and wildlife crimes like shooting endangered species on their land but the cops have to ask permission to go on their estates, they can’t get a warrant like everyone else, and if they say no then tough t1ts. Same for reports of mistreatment of staff like verbal and physical abuse, breaches of working times and conditions that are not properly investigated. Or the receipt of a million quid in notes in a suitcase from a saudi  that would be subject to financial investigation if it were anyone else. Estimated billions in dodgy offshore investment vehicles (think Jimmy Carr, Gary Barlow) that aren’t investigated. The accounts of their private companies are quite likely to be an absolute sh1tshow that would have anyone else prosecuted for fraud. bear in mind that the royals get to vet any law that may impact them

    Well said. Tip of the iceberg springs to mind.

    They’re clearly above the law. Ask yourself why they felt they needed to position themselves to be above the law?

    If you’re simply and honestly “serving the nation” whatever the F ck that means, are squeaky clean and have nothing to hide then there’s no reason to push for it or allow it. In fact if you were genuine then you would never let that happen, for blindingly obvious reasons. They’re shrouded in secrecy and have put themselves in the position they are in today because they have many many things to hide from the public.

    Their friendship with wrong un’s like Epstein and Savile was just unlucky though.  And there’s absolutely nothing more to it. I mean how could they possibly be tipped off? Its not like they have access to high ranking people in all scopes of life, intelligence agencies and the police etc etc. Just jolly bad luck old boy.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Not to mention all those ambulances that were prevented from reaching emergencies.

    How many were there? I am surprised that it was a problem. Generally these large events require ambulances to have reasonable access as they are invariably needed.

    DrJ
    Full Member

    How many were there? I am surprised that it was a problem. Generally these large events require ambulances to have reasonable access as they are invariably needed.

    I have no idea – I imagine about the same number as are blocked by Just Stop Oil protests.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Gotcha

    monkeyboyjc
    Full Member

    I see Mr Happy is back 😜

    Personally I see the policing is issue as a political rather than regal one. If your not happy, don’t vote Tory.

    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    Their friendship with wrong un’s like Epstein and Savile was just unlucky though.  And there’s absolutely nothing more to it. I mean how could they possibly be tipped off? Its not like they have access to high ranking people in all scopes of life, intelligence agencies and the police etc etc. Just jolly bad luck old boy.

    Epstein was convicted in 2008 and it was widely reported. Andrew was hanging out with Epstein long after that. He didn’t need access to intelligence agencies, he could have just read the papers…

    moimoifan
    Free Member

    It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine Cruella’s pep talk to the Met Chief.

    “I don’t want anything spoiling the view of Britain that I want to present – namely a magnificent sovereign state projecting onto the world stage. With that in mind – any sniff of protests at Charlie’s big day making into global news outlets and you’ll be heading up the Rwanda task force before you can say ‘wokerati'”.

    nickc
    Full Member

    It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine Cruella’s pep talk to the Met Chief.

    Honestly I doubt they had to get involved at all. I mean the Public Order Act was pretty obviously aimed at certain protesters who’re keen on stunts that involve laying down on the road and gluing themselves to it.

    I’d imagine the pep talk went from senior cop to less senior cop along the line of “If any protesters manage to glue themselves to or in front of the big gold moving target, I will use your hat as a shitter for the next few weeks, and I’m in the mood for dicey curry”

    There was no way that the Met were going to suffer headlines about them chasing after Republic, or having rumbles, or dragging them out of the road  or any of that. They are totally fine on the other hand to have headlines about how Flying Squad they were all being

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    I will use your hat as a shitter for the next few weeks, and I’m in the mood for dicey curry”

    I may borrow this phrase…

    edhornby
    Full Member

    More pertinently – the current head of communications for the Met, was a crime reporter at the Mail (and is apparently not liked by anyone but the top brass that installed him) but I’m sure that’s not a conflict of interest at all

    monkeyboyjc
    Full Member

    The officer that arrested the ‘super fan’ royalist in error was drafted in from Leicester police force. Not the Met.

    dissonance
    Full Member

    Got to admire the mets attempt to drop the Leicester cops in it.
    Was the unit just made up of Leicester police operating in isolation or was, just possibly, the met in overall control of saying who got nicked and for how long.

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    BBC report says it was a Lincolnshire officer, so presumably his 6th finger caused a problem

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