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  • Cougar
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    Or the receipt of a million quid in notes in a suitcase from a saudi that would be subject to financial investigation if it were anyone else. Estimated billions in dodgy offshore investment vehicles (think Jimmy Carr, Gary Barlow) that aren’t investigated. The accounts of their private companies are quite likely to be an absolute sh1tshow that would have anyone else prosecuted for fraud.

    bear in mind that the royals get to vet any law that may impact them

    You could say the same of many serving politicians. Who watches the watchers? (Oh yeah, hypothetically at least it’s supposed to be the monarchy)

    Their friendship with wrong un’s like Epstein and Savile was just unlucky though.

    To be fair, at the time everyone had friendships with Savile. That’s what made him so dangerous.

    The officer that arrested the ‘super fan’ royalist in error was drafted in from Leicester police force. Not the Met.

    Was it a sole drafted police officer operating autonomously who banged her up and interviewed her for, what was it now, 11 hours?

    singletrackmind
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    Double time innit. He probably got paid £300 to have a nice chat and lots of coffee and more importantly, avoiding the pouring rain for the rest of the day.
    Thats why the whole shebang costs millions.
    Should make it like the super bowl, ad breaks, performers fireworks, cheerleaders ( maybe not) then franchise it out worldwide.

    jhinwxm
    Free Member

    162 million for the “queens” funeral.

    Approx. 100 million for the coronation, highly likely it was a whole lot more given the ridiculous unnecessary nonsense involved.

    So minimum 262 million spunked away on two useless scroungers who’ve done about as much for this country as the last steaming pile of dog mess I stepped over. All funded by guess who? The tax payer. Slow clap.

    Of course you’ll get the media luvvies and the insanely gullible who’ll say this will pay for itself. Well if that’s the case why didn’t they just pay for it themselves and reap the rewards of when it does “pay for itself”? There goes that argument down the drain. Why spend your “own money” when you can just con the taxpayer to spend theirs?

    Meanwhile the country rots and is criminally underfunded in many areas. More slow clapping for the complicit.

    slowoldman
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    162 million for the “queens” funeral.

    “queens”? Are you suggesting that might not be The Queen in the box?

    monkeyboyjc
    Full Member

    Shhhhh don’t feed him, he’ll only get more shouty and negative about everything…..

    mrmonkfinger
    Free Member

    “queens”? Are you suggesting that might not be The Queen in the box?

    No new episodes of Ru Paul’s Drag Race have been made since.

    Makes you think.

    funkmasterp
    Full Member

    By the way this thread is going we’ll be able to keep it running until the next coronation!

    theotherjonv
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    I’m no monarchist, nor a burn down the palace activist. On the scale I mentioned before, about a 4/10

    So take the next bit in context. Not a defence nor a slamming, just a question.

    How much did it really cost ‘the economy’? I heard a radio report saying that the bulk of it was in wages for police and security. That will have been taxed, and then flow back in spending for the most part. I know the argument is you could have spent it on NHS or teachers wages and get the same effect – true. But it has to be better than paying a firm of tame consultants to do a scoping study on some white elephant tunnel or bridge or app doesn’t it?

    stumpyjon
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    Small change compared to what the public sector wastes on a daily basis.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Small change compared to what the public sector wastes on a daily basis.

    I have no idea whether the the figures of £162million for the queen’s funeral and £100million for the coronation are correct, but whether they are or not how does £262milliion represent “small change” in comparison to daily public sector waste?

    How much do you claim daily public sector waste is that makes £262million seem like small change?

    I accept that the current Tory government is remarkably wasteful, especially when it comes to dishing out contracts to their mates, but I am struggling to believe that the Tories can piss so much money that it makes £262million spent on two one-day events appear like small change.

    And how does it all compare to private sector waste btw?

    stumpyjon
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    262 million equates to about 8% of daily public expenditure based on figures from the ORB.

    Private sector waste isn’t the same, it’s not paid for by the tax payers.

    Anyway the point I was making is although its a lot of money to is mere mortals in terms of government expenditure it’s chump change. I’m sure we could all find examples of government expenditure way in excess of that we personally thought wasteful or should be spent on different priorities.

    BillMC
    Full Member

    Track and trace perchance? £30bn of ‘taxpayers money’ wasted by the private sector. Well, not wasted, pocketed.

    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    262 million equates to about 8% of daily public expenditure

    Exactly – it is a gigantic amount of money!

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    262 million equates to about 8% of daily public expenditure based on figures from the ORB

    You said “the public sector wastes on a daily basis”, do you consider all public expenditure to be waste?

    Private sector waste isn’t the same, it’s not paid for by the tax payers.

    It affects exactly the same people. For example:

    The UK Is Wasting Billions Of Litres Of Clean Drinking Water Every Day

    Critics of the water companies say there is little enthusiasm to plug the leaks because the industry is not regulated properly, and that a lack of competition makes it easier for them not to take any real action.

    Paying your water bills doesn’t exempt you from all UK taxes.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    So minimum 262 million spunked away

    I appreciate that big numbers are difficult but that’s pocket change for a country with a GDP in the trillions. We apparently sent £350M/week to the EU, remember? So that’s what, 4 or 5 days of our annual brexit bonus “spunked” on two ceremonies which were national events watched by many millions.

    monkeyboyjc
    Full Member

    This ☝️

    It’s difficult as individuals to fathom £262 million at an individual level. Its not like it was just given away, or taken out of the country into off shore accounts it went back into the economy, individual wages, private companies and public bodies. But it’s a great headline to sell papers to small minded people.

    onehundredthidiot
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    Private sector waste isn’t the same, it’s not paid for by the tax payers.

    Well it is, just not in tax. If water companies or indeed any company was more efficient costs could be lower and profits higher. So you’d make more money and things would cost less.

    stumpyjon
    Full Member

    do you consider all public expenditure to be waste?

    Err no obviously, I quite like the NHS to function, bins to be emptied, vulnerable people to be looked after, roads to maintained etc. etc. etc. However none of those services are exactly performing well despite billions being spent on them, NHS alone spends half a billion a day. Now that’s big money across a year. My company is a supplier to the NHS, the appalling way they setup tenders and the attitude of people managing contracts is terrible. Compare that to our public sector clients who generally listen and understand what they are procuringand work with us during contracts so they get the best deal.

    However I don’t think it’s done very efficiently which seriously impacts that quality of service we get. How poor our public services are down to rubbish givernment policy and oversight coupled with myopic thinking of many in the public services, (to be fair a lot of the latter is driven by the former, why make much of an effort when everything you’re doing changes direction a week later on the whim I’d a politician).

    Anyway you’ve already conceded under the Tories public money is wasted

    I accept that the current Tory government is remarkably wasteful

    So I’m a bit surprised you’re arguing, what was spent on the coronation and funeral was a mere 8% of a single days public expenditure. As you say government is remarkably wasteful and if all they are wasting is 8% of daily expenditure i think they are actually doing very well.

    Your example of a private sector company is a bit of an edge case though isn’t it, the water industry is a monopoly thats supposed to be tightly regulated by the government, it’s public sector in all but name, a good example of government waste, money is extracted by shareholders and the government fails to management it properly. Truly wasteful private sector companies go bust if they are wasteful as someone else gets their act together and undercuts them.

    ransos
    Free Member

    My company is a supplier to the NHS, the appalling way they setup tenders and the attitude of people managing contracts is terrible. Compare that to our public sector clients who generally listen and understand what they are procuringand work with us during contracts so they get the best deal.

    I assume you mean “private sector clients”? Having worked on procurement on both sides, you really can’t compare the two.

    ernielynch
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    So I’m a bit surprised you’re arguing, what was spent on the coronation and funeral was a mere 8% of a single days public expenditure.

    Arguing? I’m not really arguing anything. I am just questioning your claim that £262 million is “small change” compared to what the public sector wastes on a daily basis.

    Ultimately I guess it depends on what your definition of small change is. But I saw your remark as an unwarranted attack on the public sector, the sort of shite that is fuelled by right-wing tabloids – a swipe at the public sector whilst cheering the benefits of a value-for-money monarchy.

    You are even using it to attack the NHS, which is being deliberately set-up to fail by a government which wants it to fail, just as long as voters blame the “public sector” and not them.

    Whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that privatised health care in that bastion of the free market, the United States, is vastly inefficient.

    it’s public sector in all but name, a good example of government waste, money is extracted by shareholders and the government fails to management it properly.

    I have no idea why you think the water industry is a good example of “government waste” how much money does the government waste on the water industry?

    And despite your protestations water is an excellent example of the spectacular failure of a privatised industry. Firstly because the whole idea that something as vital and basic to life as water should be privately owned is nonsense, you pointing out its monopoly status seems to suggest that you agree.

    And secondly because the perceived expertise of private sector management is a myth. Or would you suggest that the water industry is well managed?

    jhinwxm
    Free Member

    Its an an obscene amount of money and a total waste that cannot be defended as subsequent replies have shown.

    This country just spent over 100 million to put a crown on some oddball’s head who wants to be a pack of tampons ffs. And millions of people turned up in support of it.

    Someone who abused and made his first wife’s life a living hell. Imagine choosing Camilla over Diana? That need serious questions asking for starters.

    Who cares what other money is wasted? It doesn’t excuse this, this is just another one to add to the long ever growing list of criminal use of tax payers money.

    If they were a family that lived on your street, at least one would be in prison and any decent person would have nothing to do with them.
    Two brothers, one is in jail for abuse, grooming and god knows what else, the other tried to defend the local ‘man of god’ who abused countless children. In his written defence of this vermin he even went as far as to accuse his victims of making it all up. Why would you do that? He sat down and wrote letters, so it wasn’t some throw off the cuff comment. Their house has seen many other abusers come and go all the time which hasn’t gone unnoticed. If they’re such a cracking hard working honest family why are all these lowlifes coming to visit?

    But…put a crown on his head and you’re wetting your pants and salivating quicker than Randy Andy at the school gates.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Someone who abused and made his first wife’s life a living hell. Imagine choosing Camilla over Diana? That need serious questions asking for starters.

    Ah, I see your problem, you are not happy with the way the People’s Princess was treated.

    She should have been Queen!

    monkeyboyjc
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    Do you even remember Happy thoughts @jhinwxm ? why not try posting a positive post on another thread or create a thread yourself? Your thread history to STW seems to be just as toxic as the institution you describe….

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Imagine choosing Camilla over Diana? That need serious questions asking for starters.

    That part of your post is one that needs serious questions answered.

    monkeyboyjc
    Full Member

    It is strange that the person who is most obsessed by the RF is the one that is toxicly anti and cant stop posting about them…

    I highly suspect a 2nd account being used for trolling posts only.

    ernielynch
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    Well I for one can understand jhinwxm’s point….. Diana was far prettier than Camilla, and in proper fairy tales the Prince always marries the prettiest girl.

    jhinwxm is clearly a hopeless romantic who is angry with Charlie Windsor for not following the correct fairytale protocol.

    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    It’s difficult as individuals to fathom £262 million at an individual level. 

    Speak for yourself. But if you’re having trouble visualising it, just treat it like the salary of 11,483 NHS Band 3 nurses, or 6,333 Drinking Water Inspectors at DEFRA, or 9,609 NLAWs to fight fascist invaders in Ukraine.

    https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202324
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/12/19/bang-for-your-buck-does-a-javelin-missile-really-cost-as-much-as-a-ferrari/?sh=e01dcb430801

    jhinwxm
    Free Member

    Do you even remember Happy thoughts @jhinwxm ? why not try posting a positive post on another thread or create a thread yourself? Your thread history to STW seems to be just as toxic as the institution you describe….

    Ah, you’re still going down that route I see. Are you just here to try and make everyone post “a positive post” because you disagree with them? I also didn’t realise this was a forum rule that you’ve been appointed to enforce.

    Why do you care? What’s that got to do with this thread? You’re getting more and more desperate to try and steer the chat away from things that make you feel uncomfortable.

    Clearly you can’t counter or offer anything about the points I’ve made, so you’re choosing to try and make out that I’m some manic depressant who’s just grumpy at everything in a feeble attempt to discredit and avoid everything that’s uncomfortable for you.

    I had to laugh at your second scrambled post that accuses me of being toxic and a troll, just because you disagree (well I think you do, you don’t comment on the subject in hand), oh the irony on a thread about the Royals. Great stuff.

    As for your second account claim, wrong again I’m afraid. You’re not good at this are you. You must try harder in your desperation to try and discredit me. I’m happy for any Moderator to contact me and ask any questions they want to verify I only have one account, then they can maybe put your mind at ease?

    Many thanks for your concern though.

    stumpyjon
    Full Member

    But I saw your remark as an unwarranted attack on the public sector, the sort of shite that is fuelled by right-wing tabloids – a swipe at the public sector whilst cheering the benefits of a value-for-money monarchy.

    You are even using it to attack the NHS, which is being deliberately set-up to fail by a government which wants it to fail, just as long as voters blame the “public sector” and not them.

    I see, so you were projecting your own thoughts onto my post and responding based on what was in your head rather than what I’d written. Difficult having a conversation on that basis.

    As for the water industry, it was a shit storm when it was state run (pun intended) and the government has pumped (another pun) more money into it since it was privatised wasting a huge amount. I do agree it’s still effectively a state managed enterprise due to it’s monopoly status, that’s why it’s not a good example of a private sector business, the water companies don’t have market checks and balances on them very much like the public sector as a whole, the only control is from the government and they are spectacularly bad at managing anything. By the way public sector / government same thing.

    I assume you mean “private sector clients”?

    Yes sorry you are correct. Not sure why you can’t compare public sector and private sector procurement though, they are both there to do the same job, provide goods and services to meet the needs of the organisation ensuring best value for money (not the same as going for the cheapest). Some of our private sector clients also have turnovers in the 10s of billions so also pretty big organisations.

    Charlie Windsor for not following the correct fairytale protocol.

    I thought Charlie and Cams was the fairytail, Charlie escaped the clutches of the arranged marriage to allow true love to win through!

    ernielynch
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    you’re choosing to try and make out that I’m some manic depressant who’s just grumpy at everything…..

    Well you have definitely some sort of issue with who Charlie Windsor ended up marrying, according to you there are “serious questions” which need asking.

    I can’t imagine why anyone other than some sort of weird royalist fanatic would give a monkeys who he married, I certainly don’t.

    What “serious questions” do you think need answering?

    gobuchul
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    I thought Charlie and Cams was the fairytail, Charlie escaped the clutches of the arranged marriage to allow true love to win through!

    Diana was an arranged marriage to water the blood down. Kate is there to double down on it.

    There are loads of rumours about Billy, same as there was about his dad, which turned out to be true.

    ransos
    Free Member

    Yes sorry you are correct. Not sure why you can’t compare public sector and private sector procurement though,

    The regulatory framework for public procurement makes it very different to the private sector. It’s a pain but it’s for good reasons.

    they are both there to do the same job, provide goods and services to meet the needs of the organisation ensuring best value for money (not the same as going for the cheapest).

    Public sector organisations have requirements of the contractor beyond goods and services.

    argee
    Full Member

    Not read back all the pages, but it does remind me that this forum has a good percentage of those who have republican and left wing views, go on the daily mail and you get the opposite, we live in a country that’s got a lot of opinions, and many of those are fans of the royals, i can tell that just by seeing our sitting government!

    Was it a lot of money to bury the queen, yes, am i a royalist, not really, do i see the benefit of that spend, i actually do, she was the monarch for pretty much many folks lifetime, so transcended a lot of cultures and classes, with every generation the backing of the royals diminishes, i doubt we’ll have similar for Charles, same with the next accession, it won’t be all what we saw this time, people watched that with disbelief about the weird and archaic stuff going on, i can see it slimmed down quite a bit for William.

    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    the only control is from the government and they are spectacularly bad at managing anything

    Well, yeah, as demonstrated on this thread, they’ve pished £262 million away on rubbish.

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