650b selling

Skinny tyres on a 650b rim would be harsh on a hardtail I reckon, I’ll stick with 26’s and large volume tyres for now.

Still, it will be interesting how this pans out.

‘The Industry’ that you guys seem to want to denigrate, is a genuine force of innovation and improvement.

Without ‘the industry’ – you wouldn’t have bikes & kit.

650B had its renaissance about 6 years back when Mr. Kirk Pacenti was looking for a way to use the largest possible wheel-size – while retaining time-proven MTB geometry.. having become frustrated with the design compromises necessary to fit 29″ wheels.

Myself and others have been riding and pushing 650B for these last few years – lobbying the big guys to get on board and take up the standard. Most haven’t wanted to know – Fox even forbade the use of 650B wheels in it’s forks. The risk of confusing the consumer (and the retailer) with 3 different wheel-sizes was also a major concern.

I, for one, am chuffed to bits that 650B is finally getting it’s day in the sun.. Why would you not want the choice??

The ride is very similar to 26″ bikes – all the whippy-ness but smoother and grippier IMO

Without ‘the industry’ – you wouldn’t have bikes & kit.

😆

I’m sticking to me 26er chaps!

The Borg won’t assimilate me. 😀

I, for one, am chuffed to bits that 650B is finally getting it’s day in the sun.. Why would you not want the choice??

I do want the choice – to be able to carry on being able to get quality 26″ spares should I choose to – this will be taken away over time.

So which shop is this? Sounds like one to avoid.

The bike progresses to what riders have been asking for.

So we all wanted push fit BB ?
I thought the reason was the higher tolerances they could cope with and the fact it made it cheaper to produce …still bless them for responding to the demand 🙄

Without ‘the industry’ – you wouldn’t have bikes & kit.

I think without folk willing to buy stuff there would be no industry – they are not doing it out of altruism

Why would you not want the choice??

you ar eabout to answer that for yourself

The ride is very similar to 26″ bikes

We know that is the point

bollox to it all i say!

i was told that 26″ is dead by a certain industry guy,in response i said that 99% of all who i ride with and have rode with and other groups also adamantly do not want to change from 26″

nuff said.

instead of wheel size invent a better derailleur or somet.

ahhh wait on there’s too much money made out of snapped derailleurs.

I for one thought that the majority of stw users would be buying into what will be the standard

nixon_fiend – Member
‘The Industry’ that you guys seem to want to denigrate, is a genuine force of innovation and improvement.

Without ‘the industry’ – you wouldn’t have bikes & kit.

650B had its renaissance about 6 years back when Mr. Kirk Pacenti was looking for a way to use the largest possible wheel-size – while retaining time-proven MTB geometry.. having become frustrated with the design compromises necessary to fit 29″ wheels.

Myself and others have been riding and pushing 650B for these last few years – lobbying the big guys to get on board and take up the standard. Most haven’t wanted to know – Fox even forbade the use of 650B wheels in it’s forks. The risk of confusing the consumer (and the retailer) with 3 different wheel-sizes was also a major concern.

I, for one, am chuffed to bits that 650B is finally getting it’s day in the sun.. Why would you not want the choice??

The ride is very similar to 26″ bikes – all the whippy-ness but smoother and grippier IMO

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Oh jeez, please tell me you are joking! Either that or you work in a bike shop like the op 🙄

I could see the point of 650b if it was bang in the middle between 26″ and 29″

Stats so far this bike-guiding season:

Total clients – about 100 so far.

650b – 1
29″ – 2
26″ – all the rest

Remind me what riders want again?

Dusty trails please

Dusty trails please

#Like# 😉

Got plenty of those at the moment too… 😉

Bikes is what they want, just bikes and no bollox!

29er’s dead too…

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/are-29ers-really-dead

29er’s dead too…

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/are-29ers-really-dead

hmmmm

Why would you not want the choice??

The problem is that the ‘Industry’ has reduced the choice by 1/3 by scrapping 26″ wheels & tyres without giving a trial period.
Where’s the choice there?

prices rise due to 3 wheel sizes

shite

gonna **** this mtb off if it carries on and do bmx

It’s not the wheels which people generally revile OP. Its the pushy marketing more than anything, TBH I’m sure 650b has some advantages and I may well in due course end up owning a 650b bike. But really your lot need to STFU for a bit, stop pushing the bloody things like it really matters, none of us really believe we’re going to”miss out”.

Its a marginal increase in wheel size which incurs significant cost that a fair few don’t fancy right now, you’ll pardon the cynicism but let’s be honest, it’s an industry, a bunch of businesses looking to make profit. don’t get all surprised when she don’t instantly acquire a huge Lob on for your latest version of the wheel…

As a marketing tactic regularly starting up circular interweb arguments over this topic is on a par with a butcher marching up to vegans and shouting about his love of eating dead animal bits, he’s unlikely to convert his audience, and should probably expect to see a reasonably hostile response…

As for working 20-25 years flogging bicycles, good for you, you clearly enjoy it, but you’d be the last person I’d ask about I’m sorry, but in much the same way I’d not ask someone working in a ford dealership, what car I should buy, why would I ask you when your loyalties clearly lie with whichever brand(s) your shop are pushing…

Maybe the OP is a bit of a snob?

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/lbs-owners-snobs

bikeind – Member

I have over 25 years working within the cycle industry and my knowledge is superior you could say so when a customer says that to me it baffles me

Dont think he liked my sales pitch one bit,which was a real shame as I don’t like a customer to leave empty handed out of my shops

The word ‘tool’ keeps entering my head? Perhaps I need to order a park tool.

prices rise due to 3 wheel sizes

shite

gonna **** this mtb off if it carries on and do bmx

Have you not heard?

They are calling it 21.75″.

Its not quite half way between 20″ and 24″ just big enough to necessitate a new frame & fork, and you’d actually be hard pushed to spot any difference but apparently it make the park/track/trails/half pipe “come alive!”

yeah think i read it somwhere

gets worse dunt it

Op- you are dave hinde and I claim £5

Well it goes without saying that we yes we in the bike industry have to earn a living just like everyone else you know!!

And after being in it so long now maybe I am influenced by which direction it goes
I am a salesmen and yes I do like to make a sale who doesn’t huh

No I am not dave hinde

Fruit?

And after being in it so long now maybe I am influenced by which direction it goes
I am a salesmen and yes I do like to make a sale who doesn’t huh

Just tell us who you are and where you work, people will be beating a path to your door 🙂

Junkyard – lazarus – Quote
Fruit?

Superstar’s 650b wheels are only 648a or maybe 652dd, but whichever they are it’s your bike that wrong 😉

I’ve already progressed beyond 650b, I believe the ideal wheel size is somewhere between 650b and a 29er. Whilst I have a sneaking suspicion that there may be some men in dark rooms currently working on a set of graphics indicating a whole new range of nominal benefits of this wheel to allow me to be 0.0000000000034% more gnar, the PR men will never allow this till they have milked 650b to death spectre of 26′ wheels has departed. I’m sure more riders will see the light in this new wheel size and help generate enough demand for the industry to accommodate this new size.

You mean a true 27.5″?

It seems that 650b is an “answer” to an economic rather than a biking issue.

There’s a recession. People are cutting back and where they can, are buying good quality second hand stuff. So, how do the bike industry respond and make people buy new things?

Simple, a new “standard”. If most new bikes are the new standard, there’s no (or at best, a sorely restricted) second hand parts market. And the losers with a now “defunct” standard? Tough. All your cash are belong to Trek or Giant or one of the other behemoths with a buy in to delivering ever greater shareholder value. It’s all BS.

We’ve seen the same thing happen with smaller components over a while. BB’s and cranks. 4/5 arm cranks, o/s handlebars. And then the push to taper steerers etc etc. The issue is that the big boys have got greedy. New wheels, not enough, now frame not enough. Now they want the second hand market dead and you dumping 5k every other year on a new bike.

What they can’t see is that they’re killing MTBing. People are buying less. And “new” folk won’t bother because there’s too many variables and too much to understand. Want a racer? 1 size of wheels, all bikes look alike. Want an MTB? What are you doing with it? XC? 29er. DH? 26… or 650b. All round? Who knows? Sticker shock and buyer confusion. At the same time the “little guys” like Cotic suffer too, as they can’t carry all frame sizes and (understandably) don’t want to bet the farm on a new, possibly failing standard.

It’s like VHS/Beta, BluRay/HD DVD all over again – and on both these occasions, the ordinary Joe stopped buying till a standard was agreed on. Except in MTB, there’s *always* a new standard.

If i buy a bicycle related product am i in ‘the industry’ too? You’re simply a salesman (unless you make the stuff you sell).

I don’t get why people get so precious about different sized wheels on here. In the real world no one gives a stuff.

p8ddy – Member

It seems that 650b is an “answer” to an economic rather than a biking issue.

There’s a recession. People are cutting back and where they can, are buying good quality second hand stuff. So, how do the bike industry respond and make people buy new things?

Simple, a new “standard”. If most new bikes are the new standard, there’s no (or at best, a sorely restricted) second hand parts market. And the losers with a now “defunct” standard? Tough. All your cash are belong to Trek or Giant or one of the other behemoths with a buy in to delivering ever greater shareholder value. It’s all BS.

We’ve seen the same thing happen with smaller components over a while. BB’s and cranks. 4/5 arm cranks, o/s handlebars. And then the push to taper steerers etc etc. The issue is that the big boys have got greedy. New wheels, not enough, now frame not enough. Now they want the second hand market dead and you dumping 5k every other year on a new bike.

What they can’t see is that they’re killing MTBing. People are buying less. And “new” folk won’t bother because there’s too many variables and too much to understand. Want a racer? 1 size of wheels, all bikes look alike. Want an MTB? What are you doing with it? XC? 29er. DH? 26… or 650b. All round? Who knows? Sticker shock and buyer confusion. At the same time the “little guys” like Cotic suffer too, as they can’t carry all frame sizes and (understandably) don’t want to bet the farm on a new, possibly failing standard.

It’s like VHS/Beta, BluRay/HD DVD all over again – and on both these occasions, the ordinary Joe stopped buying till a standard was agreed on. Except in MTB, there’s *always* a new standard.

well said

P8ddy, Its not that they want the second hand market dead

its the fact that they want the replacement and upgrades market dead

People buying niche brand frames and transplanting their components, or replacing bits when they wear out, is really bad for the people who sell complete bikes.

I am a salesmen and yes I do like to make a sale

The first grain of truth you have uttered since starting this thread/sales promotion.

I want a hover bike.

P8ddy +1

There will be lots of new stuff at,

http://www.eurobike-show.com/eb-en/

benji – Member

I am a salesmen and yes I do like to make a sale

The first grain of truth you have uttered since starting this thread/sales promotion.
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I think it was a lame attempt at trolling too. He can show it to his little friends in his shop.

Macavity – Member

There will be lots of new stuff at,

http://www.eurobike-show.com/eb-en/

And the 650b fiasco has put me off buying any of it.

It’s like VHS/Beta, BluRay/HD DVD all over again – and on both these occasions, the ordinary Joe stopped buying till a standard was agreed on by the porn industry. Except in MTB, there’s *always* a new standard