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  • IdleJon
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    TJ, it pains me to admit that JW is a very competent OH – he is as good at getting the backs moving in France as he is at kicking, when he is having a good day. And that is the important thing – he is not as consistent as English fans think he is.

    He's a much better OH than the others that England have got. Flood is the only one who comes close. Cipriani makes far too many mistakes, and Geraghty seems to lose confidence by the minute.

    TandemJeremy
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    Jon – I had heard he was doing well in France. Is he getting an armchair ride behind a dominant pack or is he creating from scraps?

    Maybe it will be the making of him. I think playing for Newcastle for so long did him no favours and all the injuries have been a real shame for him.

    I'd still rather have cipriani or flood. Just I prefer the unpredictable and exciting element. Sort of like Townsend for Scotland was – You knew he would both create and give away tries. You just had to hope he created more than he gave away.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    I agree with the comments about England playing to their level, they have very few top notch players, its hard to think of a England player who would walk into the Wales team (Armitage now Byrne is out) England and the GP are over hyped by sky. However Wales loosing Byrne also means they loose Hook at 12 which means the stodge in the centre that is Roberst and Shanlin and no fullback coming in at great angles like Byrne and we also loose command of the high balls. So whilst I think the Welsh pack will be stronger than Englands I cant see Wales bullying england to a victory at twickers.

    Wales likely to be:

    Hook
    1/2p
    Shanklin
    Roberts
    Williams
    Jones
    Cooper/Roberts
    Jones
    Williams
    Powell
    Thomas
    Jones
    Jones
    Rees
    Jenkins

    So in summary, not enough Jones'

    IdleJon
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    More of an armchair when I've seen him, TJ. I don't think he'll get that from England at the mo.

    Personally I think Cips is truly terrible – I'd hate to see him play for my own team (Ospreys). For all those inspired moves, he can really put his team into trouble. I think Geraghty would fit in to the Welsh way of playing. Flood is just boringly competent, which isn't a bad thing.

    None of them are particularly good under pressure though.

    Scotland need to get back to the 'slow march out of the tunnel' days. Perhaps with success of Edinburgh and Glasgow this season they might be getting there, and Robinson is nobody's fool.

    IdleJon
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    What about Biggar A_A?

    If he fits in to the starting 15, Steve Jones can play 12 or 15?

    TandemJeremy
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    You get the feel of "almost there" from Scotland but I am tired of "gallant defeats" The lack of a decent standoff is costing dear. Couple of youngsters coming thru but they are not ready yet. Why have Scotland got about 6 real good back row players and 6 scrum halves but no standoff?

    I fear Robinson is going to be too conservative – I didn't want him as coach. the players seem to really like him tho. I'd like to see some innovative tactics to get round the standoff problem but I don' think he is the man for that.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Steve Jones can play 12 or 15

    You are clive woodward and I claim my £1 book token finders fee.

    Christ no, on all counts. I would honestly prefer to see Hook play ten than start Biggar, he will be a fine international but not yet. Wouldnt be in the lads best interests.

    IdleJon
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    Been there and seen it with Wales, TJ. It's not nice.

    Having said that, at the mo England are making exactly the same mistakes that Wales made 10 years ago. Sacking coaches, buying in League 'talent', southern hemisphere players, etc. At some point they'll abandon their premiership teams and form regional sides and then realise that nobody watches regions…..

    A_A, I'd agree, just curious what you thought. Good player for the future. Now, how about Shane at 15? 😀

    TandemJeremy
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    Will someone please trade Scotland a standoff for a scrumhalf? I know many international sides don't have 9s of the quality Scotland has. I'd even let cussitor go as we have a Laidlaw coming thru. Pleese. I'll chuck in a back rower as well.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    1/2p at 15 with Tom James and Williams on the wings, Roberts and Hook in the centres would be fun. Wont happen with Gatwards but it would be worth seeing (and if you replaced Hook with an onform Henson I'd be needing a lie down and clean pants!!!)

    Surfr
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    Struggled for about 15 minutes with team names. Had several ideas involving Alfie and closets or scarlets underdevelopment squads but ended up with the marvelous, and rather 'safe' collection of players who go by the name of…

    Shane Williams and Some Other Blokes

    69er_Gav
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    Stade Incompétent

    FR R Ford
    FR G Jenkins
    FR M Cas'giovanni
    SR A Kellock
    SR P O'Connell
    BR T Dusautoir
    BR M Williams
    BR R Jones
    SH JB Elissalde
    FH R O'Gara
    C B O'Driscoll
    C M Bastareaud
    OB T Bowe
    OB T Evans
    OB M Cueto

    kennyp
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    I'd like to see some innovative tactics to get round the standoff problem

    Play Paterson at 10 until Jackson or Hutton or whoever is good enough. Chris is the best goalkicker in the world, and has put a bit extra pace into his game recently.

    69er_Gav
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    I dont expect to see Paterson start any of the games. Looks likely that Godman will get the nod which is unfortunate.

    Pigface
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    Stampy Stringer in anyones team 😯 i just let some wee out guffaw!!!

    backhander
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    G Jenkins
    L Mears
    D Szarzewski
    AW Jones
    P O'Connell
    I Harinordoquy
    S Ferris
    L Moody
    T O'Leary
    J Wilkinson
    J Roberts
    B O'Driscoll
    T Evans
    C Poitrenaud
    U Monye
    Unsure about Monye, may change to shaun w.
    Also, I'm not up to date with regards to form which I blame on the woeful coverage of rugby we get on the telly here in england. Maybe I should read more. Tempted to put some more frenchmen in the side, ouedrago(sp)etc, very good players should be maturing nicely.
    I see that dan ward smith has made the england team as cover. I really hope he gets a chance, hes a great bloke and a fearsome player.

    deadlydarcy
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    Jesus boys, I've been entertained enough with your Wales selection fights, don't start making fantasy teams…we'll be here all night!

    kennyp
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    I think Godman will get the nod too unfortunately, though one bad game and Parks will be in. I don't agree with it, but I can see it happening.

    69er_Gav
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    I predict Godman for the France game then parks for the rest. Paterson will likely be brought on to save us when dodgy Dan screws up.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Scarlet pimpernels

    D Szarzewski (FRA)
    A Jones (WAL)
    G Jenkins (WAL)
    P O'Connell (IRE)
    S Borthwick (ENG)
    Ma Bergamasco (ITA)
    T Dusautoir (FRA)
    J Heaslip (IRE)
    M Parra (FRA)
    J Wilkinson (ENG)
    J Roberts (WAL)
    B O'Driscoll (IRE)
    T Bowe (IRE)
    L Halfpenny (WAL)
    D Armitage (ENG)

    Pigface
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    Oh God now we have a week to go and everything is being ratcheted up, just read that gimp Guscot and he says Wales are weak mentally, my stomach is churning and I feel sick. Dont know about the team I am weak mentally it gets worse every year. My old man god bless him was not allowed to watch internationals due to his heart condition. I think I am going the same way.

    Going to see the Under 20's at Gloucester on Friday night.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    England: D Armitage (London Irish); M Cueto (Sale Sharks), M Tait (Sale Sharks), R Flutey (Brive), U Monye (Harlequins); J Wilkinson (Toulon), D Care (Harlequins); T Payne (Wasps), D Hartley (Northampton), D Wilson (Bath), S Shaw (Wasps), S Borthwick (Saracens, capt), J Haskell (Stade Francais), L Moody (Leicester), N Easter (Harlequins).
    Replacements: S Thompson (Brive), D Cole (Leicester), L Deacon (Leicester), S Armitage (London Irish), P Hodgson (London Irish), T Flood (Leicester), B Foden (Northampton).

    Will be odd to thing to see but if Byrnes appeal fails, England have the more attack minded backs with Wales having the edge up front and two big boshers in midfield.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Who is there on the pitch tothump Tait backwards this time?
    Never tire of watching this!

    And then there's one as well….There's lovely for you….

    Saturday is a must win game. Lose at the Cabbage Patch and we may as well kiss goodbye to any and all hope of a championship win, or even anything above a third place finish. If the appeal fails, we simply move Hook to 15, where he's looked very good of late, and then have Wellies Jones or Biggar in at 10. Nice thing about that is, it gives a lot of versatility in the backs.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    The only problem with the Henson handbag clip is the sight of a certain Haldane Luscombe in a wales shirt. Dont think Tait will get much change out of Roberts and Shanklin unless England can manage to get him on the outside

    duckman
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    Roberts v Tait…ouch!Not sure about how mobile the England pack will be either.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Not sure about how mobile the England pack will be either.

    Agreed. Especially with Gethin "I'm a sprinter really" Jenkins on the park! Like having an extra 7.

    duckman
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    I like Shaw, But age is finally starting to catch up with him,he is not the player from SA last year.Even Hartley is looking a lot less dynamic this year.A lot of work for Moody I think( which will suit him fine.)Jenkins, jings that boy is like a bigger Tom Smith.I once had the misfortune of playing against him in the Midlands sevens about 15 years ago.It was like trying to tackle a pallet of bricks.He was playing on the bloody wing for a prem 2 side in a sevens tournament.

    TandemJeremy
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    Scotland:
    Paterson;
    S Lamont,
    M Evans,
    Morrison,
    T Evans;
    Godman,
    Cusiter (capt);
    Dickinson,
    Ford,
    Lowe,
    Kellock,
    Hines,
    K Brown,
    Beattie,
    Barclay.
    Replacements:
    S Lawson,
    Jacobsen,
    Gray,
    MacDonald,
    R Lawson,
    Grove,
    Southwell.

    😯 Well thats a surprise and a good one. Robinson with adventurous picks? No place for desperate Dan?

    Is that the fastest team position for position in the 6N?

    My spirits have risen and the championship is on.

    Edit. If you think Jenkins the prop is fast wait until you see dickinson. The fastest Prop in the world. Scotland will rule the breakdown! @cos as well as a good back row the whole pack are fast.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    TJ, Gethin's fast as you like, but he has the benefit of having a real back row playing with him…

    😉

    TandemJeremy
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    Oooooooh hark at her? saucer of cream for CFH.

    I wish that the stats were available for all players 40 m time. I think it would be interesting.

    Scotland are weakened for the lack of Strokosch but Brown Beattie and Barclay are not poor players. We do also sneak in an extra back row in Ford :-)( even if he is a hobbit)

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Is Dickinson the fella who got yellow carded with ten seconds of coming on for his debut?

    ElVino
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    I’m still disgusted with the amount of Kiwis playing for England especially one that has represented NZ in League and Fluety who lets face it is a carpet bagger who spent barely enough time in the country to qualify and then departed to France for a bigger payday. How is he English in any sense of the word?

    I know other countries have selected people using the these rules but England have double the number of senior players of the other 5 nations put together.

    TandemJeremy
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    AA – I think that was Cross? Took out a Welshman under a high ball? Injured himself and got a yellow?

    On the Kiwis. I believe the rules need tightening up. There has been a few "kilted Kiwis" over the time I have followed Rugby. Some such as Lineen have clearly made their home in Scotland. Some such as the Leslie brothers came to Scotland to play club rugby ( and played for a while) and then were selected for Scotland international side. They did not come to play international Rugby. However they did **** orf again PDQ after they finished playing. Some are pure mercenaries who couldn't get a game for NZ and came here to play international Rugby. Not on IMO

    I would only allow those who make the country their home play. I'd have a three fold qualifying. Scots parent plus residence for a year, or a grandparent plus residence for a couple of years or residence for 5 years.

    I want to see a commitment to the country before they can play for it.

    The-Beard
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    Which bridge did you find Backhander under? 🙄

    I'm off to Murrayfield this weekend, usual mixture of hope/apprehension that won't be calmed until kick off on Sunday. Taking a frenchman with us too, could be a mistake… The great thing about the French is that you never know which team will turn up, the one full of flair and invention or the one trying desperately to implode. I'm hoping for the latter!

    IdleJon
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    Yeah, it was Geoff Cross who was carded.

    All the countries have benefited from 'foreigners' playing under dodgy residency rules, Ireland less than the others maybe? It annoys me when it is as cynically done as Flutey though.

    Wales can't complain too much though – wasn't it Shane Howarth who didn't know he was Welsh until Graham Henry rang him and told him?

    backhander
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    The Beard – Member

    Which bridge did you find Backhander under?

    who the **** are you? wind your neck in gobby.
    I think I'm going to enjoy watching that game a lot more than you are.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    IdleJon, I think one of the differences is that many of those who ahve gone before haven't played sport for anyone else before. This league convert, Haype (?spl?) has been capped as a New Zealand rugby legaue player. He has played representative sport at full international level for a country, and then changed to another as and when it suited.

    Take someone like Brent Cockbain. An Aussie. Never played for them though, and moved to live in Wales. Married a Welsh lass. Had Welsh kids. Played for a Welsh club and was a very proud member of the Welsh team. Key thing is, never played international sport for anyone else.

    Another example – John Eales and Martin Johnson. Both played schoolboy level for New Zealand. They then "came home" and played for their country, which is just fine.

    IdleJon
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    CFH – I would say to leave England to it, though, as Flutey is nothing special and Shontayne Hape again looks very average on the occasions I've seen him.

    I said a few days ago that Wales made these mistakes years ago, it amuses me hugely to watch England do the same.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    wasn't it Shane Howarth who didn't know he was Welsh until Graham Henry rang him and told him?

    and then he found out years later he didnt have any welsh ancestory, something like his grandmother wasnt sure who was the father.

    Cross that was the fella bloody funny it was.

    Byrne appeal being heard as we speak, be prepared for me venting if it doesnt go as I hope!!

    Shandy
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    Lads there are a few Irish players in those Fantasy teams who might not be the best choices. Ferris is injured for at least one game and Stringer is dropped out of the squad and likely to stay that way.

    Hartley is also likely to feature ahead of Fat Tommo/Mears, O'Gara may well be dropped when Sexton regains fitness, and one of the Scottish props, Murray I think, won't play Sundays so will miss at last 1 game. Also heard a rumour Gethin Jenkins is injured but haven't seen any press.

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