Oof… radio4 now… I think it’s Cleverly… telling us how Labour didn’t “prepare the UK for a worldwide economic downturn”, while pushing a Conservative manifesto that promises increased spending while also promising not to raise taxes to pay for it. In what way is that preparing us for unseen worldwide economic problems (never mind the blindingly obvious ones they are voluntarily inviting on the UK)?

There are an awful lot of people that believe the fantasy that the Tories are pushing about sorting Brexit in a few months.

It’s exactly what people want to hear, and amazingly it seems to be working

Two canards in Sajid Javid comments. 1. He suggests the 11-month timetable possible because "most of the work has already been done".
But that's not true. UK government has made preparations, but trade talks have not even begun.

— Jennifer Rankin (@JenniferMerode) November 24, 2019

So many people having a meltdown that they might have to pay £8.33 more a month tax if they are lucky enough to earn £82k.

The reaction when it dawns on people the sacrifices that will have to be made to avert climate disaster gives me such little hope for the planet.

Depressing.

Just reading in today’s Observer that the Tory’s poll lead has now increased to 19 points.

There has been a good spike of 1.5m young people Registering to vote.

If they are remainers mostly and in the right areas then it could make a big difference.

Keep going, it’s not over until the 12th.

So let me get this straight, brexit aside, the tory manifesto is basically filling in potholes and curing dementia?

Not surprising, nothing to upset the boat like Mays dementia tax. Play it super safe and cure it!

To be fair Dazh, I was expecting the solution to poor road surfaces to be “we can’t get on with sorting your street unless we get… Brexit… done”.

Anyway… state fund for potholes – ‘Communism’?

So… if the state resurfaces your road that isn’t communism, but if it lays fibre under it, that is communism? Or is it that all political parties are proposing infrastructure spending? We have a mixed economy. The state spends money on, and controls, infrastructure roll out and maintenance, whoever is in government.

Truth…

" … and then when we get in, we won't give you anything back at all, because we're lying Tories. "

— John Spiers (@squeezyjohn) November 24, 2019

We’ll make our own nurses. The best nurses. Like we had in the good old days. Let’s make nursing great again.

for the UK to become a completely deregulated Singapore off the coast of Europe.

Do you ever even bother to look up stuff before you post your hysterical nonsense?
Singapore
Retirement at 62 – UK 67 but increasing to 68
Average annual salary 38k -UK 28k
6th best place to be born in the world – UK 28th
4 years longer life expectancy than UK
Infant mortality rate almost half that of the UK
Regularly features as the best in the world for education
Singaporean passport top in the world for visa free access to other countries
Higher than the UK in the UN development index
Home ownership 90%
AAA credit rating higher than the UK’s AA
Pretty decent healthcare
Lots of immigrants
Lots of rules/laws
etc etc etc
Mind you it’s political system is based on the UK model so not all perfect 😉

nick – do those numbers include immigrants / migrant workers? By my understanding they are second class citizens unable to reap those benefits.

so how is Johnson going to do this without tax rises?

Because they’re lying, and that is nothing new.

They row back all the time on tax – corporation tax, insurance premium tax and VAT.

What they need to do (spend into the economy) – goes against their ideologoy. So it won’t and can’t work. It’s a sweetner to get through the next few months.

Pot-holes for christ sakes.

(However they all understand the magic money tree really … they just don’t want to educate the electorate about MMT. They can spend before they tax. It’s how the money system works.)

Probably better in the “BBC bias” thread, but have you seen the bit on QT where a lady asks BoJo if it’s important to tell the truth, and the Beeb edit out the audience laughter ??

Anyway, the PM doesn’t need help from the BBC, he has his own team massaging the truth…

Yesterday the Conservative party shared, then deleted, an edited video of Jess Phillips that made it appear as if she said Labour couldn’t deliver the promises in its 2019 manifesto when she was talking about manifestos in general.https://t.co/3wuB6ZkVHb

— Full Fact (@FullFact) November 22, 2019

Rob Dixon – on the energy firms moving overseas. I have read up a bit more on it and it appears we were both wrong. Its been done as an attempt to thwart nationalisation – not because of the 10% share thing.

Not that it will prevent nationalisation but it will make it harder to do it by paying a fair price rather than the market price.

anyway – apologies to you for getting it a bit wrong and hopefully you will be a little clearer on it. good piece in the Guardian

WTF is this gibberish…

Johnson's answer to this question is just absolutely embarrassing. A complete and utter shambles. #ToryManifesto #ConservativeManifesto pic.twitter.com/wVyCbXf6Uw

— Gully Burrows (@gully_burrows) November 24, 2019

“ Not that it will prevent nationalisation but it will make it harder to do it by paying a fair price rather than the market price.”

Hold on TJ – weren’t you telling us a few threads ago that Labour’s plans wouldn’t result in any companies or shareholders being out of pocket?

If the Labour loons will now be forced to pay fair market price for the things they take / steal, that will mean that shareholders (mostly held by pension funds – mostly impacting people not the toady old hedge funds etc) will now receive more than they would have done. Which is good.

Even this is bobbins though. The cost of nationalising the water industry alone is estimated at £160b – which equates to £5280 government debt per household. If they made water free for ten years people would still be out of pocket – and by the time the unions have got control water will be more expensive than it is now and we’ll also have to chip in for the capital investment required.

Rob 0 you are still conflating nationalisation of strategic monopolies with the 10% shares to workers.

we’ll also have to chip in for the capital investment required.

we already do, it’s a regulated industry and it’s how OFWAT decide what water prices we can be charged based on required infrastructure investment each AMP