Can we call Andrew Murray a marxist? Or do the reality filters keep that nugget out as well?

This is what McDonnell means when he says he’s a Marxist. He doesn’t mean he’s going to try and create a Marxist state. This may be confusing for some people but it’s how intelligent people talk.

Exactly. Pretty similar to how I see Marxism. It still goes that most people who use the word as some sort of insult have never even read the first page of Das Kapital.

Surely it’s only fair to see how he does in the Davis cup before calling him names!!

Oh good. One of the main advisors to the Labour leader was a member of the communist party for 40 years, and people aren’t allowed to make anything of that… because… whatever. Here’s an amusing distraction.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/10/unite-leaders-aide-andrew-murray-leaves-communist-party-to-join-labour

Just think….. Ten more years of disgruntled placard waving, moaning about the blood Tory’s and general virtue signalling?

Sounds grim but if it’s not punctuated by Life of Brian pictures and tiresome yammering about “Grandpa”, “allotment” etc I’ll just about make it through.

Can we call Andrew Murray a marxist?

Wow, just wow:

Murray joined the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1976, aged 18, and became associated with its Straight Left faction. At this time, Murray became a close friend of Seumas Milne, who was also active in Straight Left.[8][12] Murray’s allies during the period have been described by Francis Beckett as “more extreme than most of the Stalinists I knew. The Stalinists were known as tankies, but Murray’s lot were super-tankies”.[12] Following the dissolution of the CPGB in 1991 he was a leader of the Communist Liaison group, which itself dissolved in 1995 with Murray and its other members joining the Communist Party of Britain.[14] Murray served on the Communist Party of Britain’s executive committee from 2000 to 2004 … He served once more on the party’s executive from 2008 until 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Murray_(trade_unionist)#Politicial_activity

EDIT: Beaten to it by everyone. Spent too much time reading it. Anyone else spot the bit about Murray being first Journo on the scene when the INLA killed Airey Neave. Maybe I’m reading more into it that it can bear but feels like a hint that they told him it was going to happen.

Do you have to have read Mein Kampf to call Hitler a Nazi? Or is it not remotely relevant?

Hang on – the equivalent of that would be calling Marx a Marxist!

Do you have to have read Mein Kampf to call Hitler a Nazi? Or is it not remotely relevant?

Nope but it would help it you were to call Johnson a Nazi, i.e. you need to know what Marxism is if you are going to use the term.

Interesting that Corbz approached Kevin Maguire first.

You can’t nail shit to a wall.

I agree. It’s as difficult as pinning down the Opposition Leader’s actual opinion on the defining political issue of the era…

Its a veritable who’s who of genocidal tyrants

And Jeremy Corbyn would be worse than all of them. Probably.

He looks shifty

It’s as difficult as pinning down the Opposition Leader’s actual opinion on the defining political issue of the era…

Pretty obvious that he is in a no win situation. If he says he will back remain then he is a remainer who is against the will of the people, if he says he will back the deal to leave then he is a leaver who is neglecting the majority of Labour voters who are remainers.
His option to get a better deal and then let people decide, democratically is a good one but leaves him with the awkward question.

Johnson doesn’t have that problem as the Tory is a leave party and easy for lib dems to say whatever they want as they are irrelevant

Would you believe I’ve just had a brief land this afternoon and I’m presently drawing up a poster design to get the kid in the local 6th form colleges to register to vote if they’re 18? 😀

https://www.markpack.org.uk/files/2017/04/Voting-Lib-Dem-2017-image.png
? 🙂

Anyone have an answer to who was the most famous person to come out with the “I am not a Marxist” quote btw?

Another clue.

It wasn’t Nick **** Knowles.

Was it the remaining living Chuckle Brother?

Close.

Last clue.

It wasn’t Nerys Hughes…..

Double post

kerley

Pretty obvious that he is in a no win situation. If he says he will back remain then he is a remainer who is against the will of the people, if he says he will back the deal to leave then he is a leaver who is neglecting the majority of Labour voters who are remainers.
His option to get a better deal and then let people decide, democratically is a good one but leaves him with the awkward question.

It’s not a huge majority of Labour voted for remain… 36% didn’t but despite having had 3+ years Corbyn hasn’t taken the chance to illustrate they were lied to. It’s rather late in the day now.

To be honest, Labour were screwed the morning of the referendum vote.

Working class remainers are just another example of the strangeness of human nature.

Alf Garnett syndrome innit? “I borrowed a pair of boots to walk 15 miles to vote Tory”.

All those I know won’t be voting Labour this time.
They will be voting Brexit or Tory and would still do so if Andy Burnham came round, gave them a foot rub and lent them his mascara.

Corbyn’s amazing ability to alienate the electorate hasn’t helped, but his policies are excellent. Means nowt.

Ah well, glasses, beard, allotment, Diane etc………

Presumably he’d do what he did when he resigned from government… vote against what the government are proposing… and talk up his own approach to Brexit. It would be even easier for him than before… because he can point to the awful withdrawal deal he’s already claimed as his own, and insist we left using that.

Alf Garnett syndrome innit? “I borrowed a pair of boots to walk 15 miles to vote Tory”.

That happens all the time.

Every week parishioners traipse into churches to pray for the poor, swear to share their earthly possessions with people in need and then leave and buy the Daily Mail and vote Tory.

I imagine lots of people who do volunteer work in the NHS (like WRVS on whom the bread and butter running of the NHS is scarily dependent) also vote Tory.

Crazy isn’t it?

But then……

Brexit.