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  • 2019 General Election
  • Premier Icon kelvin
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    I blame Brexit on the fact that Ed Miliband couldn’t eat a bacon sandwich…

    I blame Brexit on the fact that Ed Miliband tried to ride the “Controls on Immigration” wave, setting Labour on the “Freedom Of Movement must end” path that is completely incompatible with any close relationship with the rest of Europe, never mind being a member state of the EU.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    Molgrips – you might peel off a few floating votors tho.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Not trying to be leader. In fact, he didn’t want to be leader, and didn’t want to run.

    And yet here we are 4 years later and he’s even worse at it than when he started. And he was bloody hopeless then.

    He lost one election, which is normally when you’re ushered rapidly towards the exit. But the sixth formers want him to repeat the exercise just to make sure.

    Hey… maybe we could go for the third time lucky? I firmly believe that his common room/PFJ fan club really are that bright. Why not? Len thinks its a good idea. And Len’s always right.

    Maybe the country will be more ready for socialism after another 5 years of Tory cuts? And we’ll be out of the EU by then, so ripe for a left wing revolution, yeah?

    Just think….. Ten more years of disgruntled placard waving, moaning about the blood Tory’s and general virtue signalling? Result! Just imaging all the protests they can go on and all the online petitions they can sign? Nothing could make them happier.

    The rest of us? Not so much. But then we’ve only ourselves to blame for refusing to see Jeremy as the future, right?

    Premier Icon ctk
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    Emma Barnett pulling Tory MP over the coals big time on 5live. (Nigel something: Ribblehead MP)

    Premier Icon olddog
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    I think Corbyn’s strategy was to sell Labour policy and be positive in response to Johnson’s expected strategy of attack Corbyn. Rise above I guess was the intention – but I agree that open goals were missed. It’s possible to combine attack and promote own policy – expose bullshit on hospital building then follow up with what Labour will do.

    Even on Brexit the line should be – “Tory failure and chaos from referendum to failed deal after failed deal. It’s time to give us a go to sort a better deal and give you, the people, the final decision” Corbyn didn’t push the 3 years of Tory chaos and failure hard enough

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    Molgrips – you might peel off a few floating votors tho.

    It’s more than a few …. 36% of LEAVE voters were labour…. Boris has delivered nothing.. the one thing he claimed to have delivered he self-sabotaged.

    That is before you even get to floating voters…

    Premier Icon seosamh77
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    Boring Binners. Change the record! 😆 we got the point 2 years ago.

    Premier Icon Rusty Spanner
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    I think Tory Central Office pays him by the word. 🙂

    Premier Icon mrlebowski
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    Could you just run us through exactly what Jezza has been doing for the last 40 years?

    Voting against every single piece of pro EU legislation since 1975 IIRC…😉

    Premier Icon kerley
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    Boring Binners. Change the record! 😆 we got the point 2 years ago.

    On the plus side he does seem to have run out of tired Monty Python references. Queue tired Monty Python image.

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    Please…please….

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50474626

    Can an injunction on the contents possibly hold? Apparently there are some interesting conversations…

    Oh, and the irony of Andy Wigmore moaning that Twitter is not following its obligations under EU data protection regulations. 🙂

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    we got the point 2 years ago

    > looks for signs of this <

    “He doesn’t have a point. It’s all a media conspiracy. Wait ‘till the public get to see him unfiltered in an hour long head to head against the buffoon leading the Tories… he’ll win the nation over.”

    Premier Icon ransos
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    And yet here we are 4 years later and he’s even worse at it than when he started. And he was bloody hopeless then.

    Yet he twice beat your favoured candidates. Doesn’t say much about your mob, does it?

    Premier Icon Rusty Spanner
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    Well, I changed my mind regarding Corbyn’s suitability as leader.
    Not sure Binners had anything to do with it though. 🙂

    He’s perfectly entitled to his onions, but I don’t think it helps.

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    Brexit and the next ten years of Tory rule will all be a lot easier to accept if you’ve got a big blanket of pious, self-righteous virtue to wrap yourself up in.

    Or ideally a huge offshore account and a Swiss chalet.

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    What you define as ‘winning’ always depends on what electorate you’re trying to please and what you’re trying to achieve, I suppose.

    Most Popular Marxist in the Common Room and Biggest Marrow on the Allotment are something of a hollow victory when all it delivers is Brexit and 10 more years of the Torys, but…

    Winning. Great. Savour that sweet taste of victory…

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    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Or ideally a huge offshore account and a Swiss chalet.

    And maybe Maltese joint citizenship, obtained for a tidy €1m “investment”.

    Premier Icon seosamh77
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    binners

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    What you define as ‘winning’ always depends on what electorate you’re trying to please and what you’re trying to achieve, I suppose.

    Most Popular Marxist in the Common Room and Biggest Marrow on the Allotment are something of a hollow victory when all it delivers Brexit and 10 more years of the Torys, but…

    Winning. Great.

    I think it’s just a game of 1001 ways to mention 6th form or common room in a thread.

    We nearly done yet? 😆

    Premier Icon Garry_Lager
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    I blame Brexit on the fact that Ed Miliband tried to ride the “Controls on Immigration” wave, setting Labour on the “Freedom Of Movement must end” path that is completely incompatible with any close relationship with the rest of Europe, never mind being a member state of the EU.

    Can blame that Miliband leadership for a lot, in hindsight – has to be the case when a political party vomits up something like JC as leader, it’s an allergic reaction to what it’s just eaten.
    Miliband ran a confused centrist campaign with a lot of futile pandering to the media, which eviscerated him over the SNP. Lost every seat in Scotland bar one which is huge to this day (although you can’t really lay that at Miliband’s door directly as it was obv a long term development). Deleting 50 labour seats is self-evidently a massive problem – would have prime Tony Blair sweating let alone JC.

    I think Miliband failed to find that clear message to shift the party back towards its roots in a strategic, forward looking way that would have marginalised time-wasters like Corbynski. They ended up seizing their opportunity and we are where we are.

    Good summary here if anyone fancies re-visiting the Ed-Stone!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/undoing-of-ed-miliband-and-how-labour-lost-election

    Premier Icon ransos
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    What you define as ‘winning’ always depends on what electorate you’re trying to please and what you’re trying to achieve, I suppose.

    Own up: who pressed his reset button?

    Premier Icon 5thElefant
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    We nearly done yet? 😆

    Yep. Just a few weeks to go and the marxist halfwit will be a footnote in history.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    The real question here is how does this election compare to the last?

    Some of the shine around corbyn has faded, hes a known entity now so much of his flaws already baked in to peoples opinions

    Johnson is marmite, his ‘positive attitude’ contrasts well with sourpuss May but he is the epitome of eton privelege

    polls last time were interesting, as bad as her campaign was May nver lost much (& her numbers dropped before the dementia tax manifesto was announced -18th May- & then declined slowly, but not by much)
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    But corbyns numbers rose, now he his hampered because the lib dems are doing much better at his expense (tho swinson is actually targeting Tory voters more than labour ones, so she may be helping him)

    Johnson had nothing to gain from the debate last night & it seems Corbyn did better

    but can Corbyn make up the same ground he did last time? has Johnson peaked to soon

    hes got a big lead, but Yougov showing a 3pt drop in the last week

    polls are flawed but they can capture the trends & if the next yougov poll were to show even a small decrease, would be interesting (caveat- kantar simulataneously showed a big jump for tories!)

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    Emma Barnett pulling Tory MP over the coals big time on 5live. (Nigel something: Ribblehead MP)

    that’d be Nigel Evans, my local MP – arch rabid brexiter, Tory water boy, Trump supporter and apologist, high placed in 1922 committee, arrogant, complacent, contempuous to his constituents, all round POS, rumour has it an annoying alcoholic too. Over double the votes the next placed (Labour) candidate got in 2017. So parachuted in from South Wales and a local scourge.

    resident of Pendleton and local at the Swan with Two Necks pub, which mystifyingly keeps winning top awards despite it being fairly non descript, the rumour being that he pulls a few strings and pulls a few nobs to make it so

    most famous for losing his life savings in legal costs, successfully defending a rape accusation, after having voted against legal aid that would have protected him ohhhh the delicious irony: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/dec/27/its-completely-wrong-falsely-accused-tory-mp-attacks-legal-aid-cuts

    Premier Icon Malvern Rider
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    I see it a lot in the tabloids and twitterings, but is Jeremy Corbyn a ‘Marxist’? I realise that (accepted) definitions change and vary with time and trends, but anyone here calling him a ‘Marxist’ care to give the definition of Marxism that you’re working with?

    Premier Icon kerley
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    It is seen as an insult from those that wouldn’t know Marx if he walked up to them and kissed them

    Premier Icon binners
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    Its pretty simple really. The definition of Marxist is usually applied to people who are repeatedly on the record saying “I’m a Marxist”

    Premier Icon Malvern Rider
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    The definition of Marxist is usually applied to people who are repeatedly on the record saying “I’m a Marxist”

    I look like an idiot now, as wasn’t aware of that. So maybe it’s Corbyn’s definition of ‘Marxist’ that is the question? That is anyone’s guess, or has he laid it out? Assuming his definition is different than that of The Daily Express…

    Binners, do you please have a link to where he said ‘I’m a Marxist’?

    Premier Icon perchypanther
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    pulls a few nobs

    Ooooh Matron!

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Interesting.

    Undecided voters gave Jeremy Corbyn a 59-41 per cent lead over Boris Johnson as best performer in last night’s ITV general election leaders’ debate, according to details of YouGov polling.

    The two leaders were tied almost neck-and-neck among viewers overall in the survey, with Mr Johnson edging the contest by 51-49 per cent.

    As for them being Marxists – for a lot of people, the subtlety of what you would do in a perfect world, versus what you would actually plan to do in the world we actually have is too much.

    Me, if I could rebuild the world to my liking I’d nationalise everything essential and do a load else besides, however I realise that’s a) not possible and b) too far for most people, so I wouldn’t put it in a manifesto because I’m not an idiot. This is what McDonnell means when he says he’s a Marxist. He doesn’t mean he’s going to try and create a Marxist state. This may be confusing for some people but it’s how intelligent people talk.

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    Imagine traveling back in time and telling your 2010 self about the world of 2019.

    “…and the Black Death is back, but honestly everything has gone so bat shit crazy that it’s not really on anyone’s radar”

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    Binners, do you have a link to where he said he was a Marxist?

    Of course he hasn’t – it’s character assassination. There is no distinction between Binners’ criticisms of Corbyn and the RW press. See a few weeks ago when he drew up a story of the Labour MP that was hounded out through AS apparently. Well it turns out the said MP stepped down because of allegations of a sexual harassment claim.

    Corbyn is a democratic socialist that almost certainly admires Marx.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Afternoon comrade

    Are you factchecking me? You should register the Twitter domain name 😀

    Premier Icon rone
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    What facts?

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    Undecided voters gave Jeremy Corbyn a 59-41 per cent lead over Boris Johnson as best performer in last night’s ITV general election leaders’ debate, according to details of YouGov polling.

    The two leaders were tied almost neck-and-neck among viewers overall in the survey, with Mr Johnson edging the contest by 51-49 per cent.

    And yet the ITV Poll of 30,000 people (without weighting I believe) went for Corbyn: 78% Johnson 22%

    Premier Icon rone
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    Are you factchecking me? You should register the Twitter domain name

    On it. @jozzaNukeTheFacts is available.

    Premier Icon binners
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    I read 138% forJezza

    Didn’t he get 23% more than Robert Mugabe ever managed in his last leadership election?

    Premier Icon perchypanther
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    This thread is descending into a collection of big fact hunts

    Premier Icon Malvern Rider
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    Binners, do you have a link to where he said he was a Marxist?

    Of course he hasn’t – it’s character assassination

    You are engaging in same, before even giving Binners the time to respond?

    The state of this thread at this point is really mirroring what I see in the tabloids and twitters – ie name-calling and unexamined rhetoric. Depressing.

    Premier Icon binners
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    If you just have a google, there’s loads of interviews of Corbyn giving chapter and verse about his admiraion for Marx. Same with John McDonnel. Both big fans

    And thats fine, if thats what you want. But its never going to get you elected anywhere outside Bolivia. In fact, not even in Bolivia.

    Because getting enough people to vote for it isn’t really feasible when you’re asking them to buy into the idea of free-market capitalism as a failed project, then advocating Marxism as the answer. An idea who’s credibility came down with the Berlin wall

    The labour party’s present polling- in the face of a government doing its upmost to turn everyone off the idea of the free market – reflects how many people think that Marxism is a credible stance.

    Most of his own MP’s don’t

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Corbyn hasn’t said he’s a Marxist. McDonnell has IIRC.

    A lot of the suspicion with Corbyn comes about because of his team of advisors, especially Murray & Milne.

    Wiki linky

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