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2019 General Election
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kelvinFull Member
but essentially called all Tory voters “ignorant and ill informed” by way of comparing them to partridge
He said that Partridge had those attributes, and would vote Tory. Extrapolate that out to ‘all Tory voters’ having those attributes if you want, snowflake.
GowrieFree MemberI will tell you how it will work though. The companies will grant 1% of shares to the fund until 10% is built up.
The company. So the company will have to own the shares. So they will have to buy them, create them. Or steal them. Which would be a crime. Either way, the government is not going to steak your shares. Stop the bs
Thank you for your explanation. You do realise that it supports OOB,s point don’t you? After 10 years, 10% of the company – that would have been owned by the current owners of the company – will be in the possession of someone else, and without any payment – certainly no promise of payment that can be found in Labour’s pronouncements. Looks like theft – or at the least a stealth tax – to me.
slowoldmanFull MemberA government has to spend or the economy will never recover.
Even without spending they’ve managed to increase national debt to the point where the interest payment is 3 times the EU membership fee.
MrSparkleFull MemberNothing to see here…
I've phoned to complain but oddly enough the @BBC are receiving such a high volume of complaints they can't take my call. I therefore opted to press 1 as instructed to leave a recorded message but that failed to work and I was cut off. I WILL be trying again later.#VoteCorbyn https://t.co/v8Avu40v2H
— Chelley Ryan – I ❤️ our NHS! (@chelleryn99) December 11, 2019
outofbreathFree MemberYou do realise that it supports OOB,s point don’t you? After 10 years, 10% of the company – that would have been owned by the current owners of the company – will be in the possession of someone else, and without any payment – certainly no promise of payment that can be found in Labour’s pronouncements. Looks like theft to me.
Yup and that’s how it’s been reported everywhere and how John McDonnell himself explained it. Here’s the manifesto text:
We will give workers a stake in the
companies they work for – and a share
of the profits they help create – by
requiring large companies to set up
Inclusive Ownership Funds (IOFs). Up
to 10% of a company will be owned
collectively by employees, with
dividend payments distributed equally
among all, capped at £500 a year,
and the rest being used to top up the
Climate Apprenticeship Fund.https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf
…and here’s the grey book which doesn’t include paying for the shares:
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change-2019.pdf
yourguitarheroFree MemberWe’re all on the wrong side of history on here. Tough to accept.
roneFull MemberOur final #GE2019 Westminster voting intention on behalf of the @Telegraph, is as follows:
CON 41% (-)
LAB 36% (+3)
LD 12% (-)
Other 11% (-3)9th – 10th Dec
(changes from Savanta ComRes/Sunday Telegraph, Dec 7th)https://t.co/SwZAJxFqTk pic.twitter.com/PRibInIPwE
— Savanta ComRes (@SavantaComRes) December 11, 2019
Ooof.
That’s going to put the cat among the pigeons.
outofbreathFree MemberToo tight to call.
I might start a thread for the Spring 2020 election. 🙂
richardkennerleyFull Memberkelvin
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but essentially called all Tory voters “ignorant and ill informed” by way of comparing them to partridgeHe said that Partridge had those attributes, and would vote Tory. Extrapolate that out to ‘all Tory voters’ having those attributes if you want, snowflake.
Why are you calling me a snowflake?
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roneFull MemberI’ve really enjoyed Dr Moderate’s analysis. Probably because it makes me feel hopeful.
Here’s his final prediction.
Con 310
Labour 255Minority Lab Gov.
These are the factors that will win or lose the election:
1) Turnout by age
2) Lab leavers
3) Tactical voting
4) Con remainersAnd in terms of predicting the outcome we also need
5) The accuracy of the polls
Let's predict all five – and make a final call prediction.
1/19
— Dr Moderate (@centrist_phone) December 11, 2019
piemonsterFree MemberDirection of travel is very keen.
I’d noticed quite a few folk I know, lifelong Tory voters, are swithering about who to vote for or who have changed their mind. Mainly as they now interpret the current Conservatives to be a nasty bunch of shits (compared to normal). These are all 40+, most actually 60+.
I’d love that to be widespread but I don’t think it is.
I’m going with a weak Tory majority.
ctkFull MemberThese last couple of days have been terrible for Bojo. For people that are not that engaged with politics yesterdays photo on the phone thing and todays hiding in the fridge thing will cut through.
kelvinFull MemberWhy are you calling me a snowflake?
I dunno, sorry, it just rolled out with the rest of that sentence. Sorry.
frankconwayFree Memberrone – another interesting set of tweets from dr moderate.
IF correct…..johnson loses tory leadership; corbyn struggles to form effective coalition and loses labour leadership; difficult to extract better/different agreement from EU27; 2nd referendum is mirror image of 1st one so nothing resolved; disunity continues; farage continues to stir – if he finds a wealthy backer to replace tice.
To sum up, we’ll be no further forward – other than johnson and corbyn walking/being removed.
If anyone sees Cameron…..kimbersFull MemberYeah that comres one looks funny as fk
But that could still be a wee Tory majority
If fridgeboy really has blow it will they dump him immediately?
Gove next Tory leader?
roneFull MemberIf fridgeboy really has blow it will they dump him immediately?
Gove next Tory leader
You lot are very good at jumping in to the future. Proof that politics is never done.
I can only just about cope with tomorrow.
colournoiseFull MemberGenuine? If so, WTactualF?!?
All pretence has now gone. BBC reporter saying Johnson deserves a majority
kimbersFull MemberI wouldn’t get that excited
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 45% (+1)
LAB: 35% (+2)
LDEM: 10% (-1)
BREX: 3% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)via @DeltaPollUK, 09 -11 Dec
Chgs. w/ 07 Dechttps://t.co/m1hoBpI81D— Britain Elects (@britainelects) December 11, 2019
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 44% (-)
LAB: 32% (-)
LDEM: 13% (-2)
BREX: 3% (+1)
GRN: 3% (-)via @KantarTNS, 09 -11 Dec
Chgs. w/ 02 Dechttps://t.co/m1hoBpI81D— Britain Elects (@britainelects) December 11, 2019
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 34% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-2)
BREX: 4% (+1)
GRN: 3% (+1)via @PanelbaseMD, 10 – 11 Dec
Chgs. w/ 06 Dec— Britain Elects (@britainelects) December 11, 2019
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-)
LAB: 32% (-)
LDEM: 14% (-)
GRN: 4% (-)
BREX: 3% (-1)via @BMGResearch, 06 – 11 Dec
Chgs. w/ 06 Dechttps://t.co/m1hoBpI81D— Britain Elects (@britainelects) December 11, 2019
kimbersFull MemberSo assuming we get a Tory government
Cornyn gone by Feb & Rebecca long-bailey, Jess phillips, David Miliband?
mattyfezFull Member@colornoise the BBC is funded by the government so they have squeaky bums at the moment, they have to strike a balance with the sword of damocles hanging over them.
They are still doing mock the week and HIGNfY to be fair though..Just a shame thier actual news programme is so pro tory.
mattyfezFull MemberI’m still thinking we’ll have a hung parliament.
The tories will have to gain quite a few seats without losing any.
In the churn there might be a few constituencies flipped both ways, so I’m guessing that’s even Stephens in that respect.The tories will almost certainly lose ground in Scotland.
jjprestidgeFree MemberThere’s odds of 10:1 available at the moment on a Labour minority government. Several of my political friends are taking a punt on that.
Personally, I think the polls are way out of kilter and we’ll see another hung parliament.
JP
frankconwayFree MemberJP, best (longest) odds on lab minority are 5/1; lab coalition options range from 12 to 16/1.
10s for lab minority not available anywhere; point me towards them and I’ll have a punt.kimbersFull MemberSurvation out by midnight, they called it closest last time
But I’m off to bed
epicycloFull MemberJjprestridge
Personally, I think the polls are way out of kilter and we’ll see another hung parliament.
Do we have enough lamp posts?
dazhFull MemberNot making a prediction, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be as the polls predict. I’m keeping faith in two things, one that people are not as stupid as the pollsters or media pundits assume they are and will vote tactically against the tories, and that when it comes down to it people will vote with their pockets, which for most will be labour/non-tory.
I won’t be surprised if I’m wrong, and if so then fair enough. We get the government we vote for, and if things need to get worse before they get better that’s a choice only the people can make. It’s depressing, frustrating, and completely irrational, but maybe it’s necessary?
spekkieFree MemberI won’t be surprised if I’m wrong, and if so then fair enough. We get the government we vote for, and if things need to get worse before they get better that’s a choice only the people can make. It’s depressing, frustrating, and completely irrational, but maybe it’s necessary?
You can lead a horse to water, but if the horse refuses to drink then maybe it just has to be thirsty.
yourguitarheroFree MemberYou have to consider that you’re wrong. That most people in this country have an entirely different set of values to you. That you’re a minority and in the maths of this country that means you’re a loser and you count for the square root of f-all. You’re not a unique snowflake, you’re just meat for the grinder, with no representation. The abbatoir gates loom despite your squealing.
A tough thing to accept.
convertFull MemberAs I do every time we have one of these shindigs; I sit here as the clock turns midnight, registered to vote in what is the 36th safest tory seat in the country. I am politically relatively astute and informed. I have done my homework and have a keen idea not only of the national policies of the main parties but the local candidates too. I am ready to do my bit and cast an informed vote……
But really, what’s the point? I’ll toddle off and do it because it’s the right thing to do. But……the local tory here could walk through the town centre nuts deep in a farm animal of his choice before spending a week knocking on every door he finds and telling the householder to get to **** and he would still get in by a landslide. Even if I wanted to vote tory I could stay in bed and the result would be the same – he only needs to win by one vote. My local representative in parliament will be recommending Boris for PM tomorrow evening – that is an absolute certainty. My vote will be amalgamated with the 70 thousand odd folk that just happen to live near me and will be turned blue. 100% certainty.
Some uninformed eejit who walks into a polling booth in a marginal seat and puts their cross down dependant on liking the logo of the party has infinitely (and I mean that literally not metaphorically) more influence than me in the result tomorrow night.
Remind me again why we do it like this?
It would interesting to know how many of those that have contributed to this thread have the ability to cast a vote in a constituency where they might just be part of making an impact.
scotroutesFull MemberRemind me again why we do it like this?
You vote for another party because, if you don’t nothing will ever change. It’s the usual story – if everyone who didn’t vote did, things could be very different.
frankconwayFree MemberThe Survation poll amounts to having one’s chips pissed upon.
Having said that….refer to Dr Moderate @centrist_phone for a more nuanced interpretation of crude poll results.
I still live in hope.kelvinFull MemberRemind me again why we do it like this?
Because to change it would require one of the two parties that benefits from the Status Quo to act against their own interests in order to improve our democracy.
kelvinFull MemberAre ready for whatever it is Johnson will deliver that he won’t tell us about, and won’t answer questions about…?
https://twitter.com/davies_will/status/1204734456852107264?s=21
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