Nobody is lying about the “Inclusive Ownership Fund”

Oh, it exists and is in the manifesto, which wasn’t published when the FT did their ‘analysis’.
The lie was and is that they were going to steal shares from your pension fund. That was never true yet you were terrified of it happening you claim to have moved your funds.
So can you show where it says they are going to steal shares in private ownership, or is that a lie? Since you moved your funds, you either didn’t know it was a lie, or you went to great lengths to propogate the lie.

Have you thought through the implications of a 4 day week?

3 days off?

If your job could be outsourced because of a 20% increase in costs that a four day week would cost, why can’t it be outsourced now? I’m sure potential savings would be greater than 20% if you look east?

Already has. 75pc of people in my role are in Eastern Europe now. That’s why I’m not mad keen on the cost of ‘me’ going up by 20pc while I’m no longer available for a whole day every week.

If I thought I could sensibly negotiate that kind of deal, I already would have!

Oh, it exists and is in the manifesto, which wasn’t published when the FT did their ‘analysis’.
The lie was and is that they were going to steal shares from your pension fund. That was never true yet you were terrified of it happening you claim to have moved your funds.
So can you show where it says they are going to steal shares in private ownership, or is that a lie? Since you moved your funds, you either didn’t know it was a lie, or you went to great lengths to propogate the lie.

If you take 10pc of something away, as opposed to buying it, the existing owners lose 10pc of it. HTH.

Probably not achievable for many NHS staff, or certainly not a 32hr week.

I have to wonder what sort of contract length Labour think is acceptable. Banning zero hour contracts and full time contracts, I wonder how wide the permissable slot will be?

Banning zero hour contracts and full time contracts, I wonder how wide the permissable slot will be?

OOB, you’re being deliberately obtuse. You know that the objection to ‘zero hour’ contracts is not the actual hours worked, but rather the ability the exploit those workers and prevent them from working hours elsewhere, as well as the misrepresentation of these workers as ‘employed’ in statistics. Similarly, the four day week idea is actually just a policy of governance supporting an improvement in work life balance for the majority of people, paid for by an increase in automation etc, rather than the fruits of automation going straight into shareholders pockets.

No, it doesn’t ‘H’ because we’ve done this to death – no-one’s said they are ‘taking it away’ without paying for it.

They are not paying for the shares.

Here’s the policy:
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf

It’s p60. Or search for “Inclusive Ownership Fund”.

(I fear I’m being trolled so I won’t be replying to any posts on Inclusive Ownership Fund unless the post quotes the text that says the shares will be paid for in which case I will acknowledge that I failed to spot it and apologise.)

You know that the objection to ‘zero hour’ contracts is not the actual hours worked,

That may be the objection, but the *policy* is to ban zero hours contracts. I’ve quoted the text before but the links above.

Similarly, the four day week idea is actually just a policy of governance supporting an improvement in work life balance for the majority of people, paid for by an increase in automation etc, rather than the fruits of automation going straight into shareholders pockets.

Quote it then so we can decide for ourselves.

Great quote on Radio 4 from Steve Coogan

Yes, Partridge would have voted leave because Alan is like one of those people who is very confident.

As Max Hastings said, Boris Johnson thinks he is Winston Churchill but he is more like Alan Partridge.

Did I miss the bit where Labour have said they will just steal that 10% and not pay for it?

i’ve got a friend who is a nursing sister at Leeds Hospital who says they will….

Why are people still arguing about labour policy ?

At best they’ll be in a minority government & will struggle to get much through beyond a 2nd ref and a loosening of budgets

The lib Dems were burnt badly by Tories last time & SNP have their own agends

Of far more concern is Johnson’s likely majority, a decade of divisive brexit talks, more grinding austerity & more lies than ever

At best they’ll be in a minority government & will struggle to get much through beyond a 2nd ref and a loosening of budgets

…and an Indyref within the first year.

I don’t accept the logic that they can’t get a majority. To know that you’d need detailed knowledge of the seats, which doesn’t exist.

Of far more concern is Johnson’s likely majority, a decade of divisive brexit talks, more grinding austerity & more lies than ever

this

See there are tories, then there are bad tories, but this lot? A bunch of cynical lying evil compasionless manipulative toss buckets. They will do nothing for you.

VOTE TACTICALLY

Right… on to the actual election night practicalities…

Who’s taken Friday off so that they can stay up and watch the results come in? Fess up… who’s as sad and tragic as me? 😀

Me! To be fair I was made redundant a week ago so I can spare the time. Now’s a good time to do it.Probably last until 3am though. Should have a fair idea by then. We need to find out when raab has his portillo moment? I’ll deffo stay up for that ( and probably Johnson and mogg too)

Looks like there are some good options, telly-wise.

Russell Howard is doing his show on Sky from ten onwards, and channel 4’s results show is being done by Rylan which would suggest they’re not planning on being too reverential

Mrs is counting so might stay up until their results

Or might fall asleep on the sofa

one of those 2 is more likely

I’ll watch it on Catch up over the christmas holidays. I’ll try to avoid spoilers till then.

I will be off on Friday because I already work a 4 day week, some of us are open minded to new ideas while others are left behind voting tory.

(I don’t actually but I did take every Friday off for 20 weeks over the summer autumn and guess what, I got exactly the same amount of stuff done)

As a self-employed person I fundamentally objet to the principle of a 4 day week.

Why the hell should I be forced to increase the hours I work?! Bloody communists!! 😉