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  • duckman
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    A deliberate knock on is foul play,so TMO. For the record,the Scottish team and management have kept quiet about this. The Mee-ja doesn’t seem to want to let it go,the Times has a bit in it’s ongoing reporting stating that Scotland will be unable to sue a la Irish FA. Really?

    BruceWee
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    Even so, the wording of the laws says they can’t do that. If TMOs have taken it on themselves to intervene when they’re not supposed to then there’s no reason for refs not to refer decisions they’re not supposed to.

    Just looked at the knock on again and I can’t believe how wrong they got the decision. Just ignore Maitland’s attempted catch/deliberate knock on for a minute.

    CJ says there was an overlap but Maitland had Mitchell, who was about a metre from the touchline, lined up to put him straight into touch if he’d gotten his hand on the ball. As it was Foley telegraphed the pass to such an extent that Maitland actually moved back in from the touchline to attempt the intercept.

    Not only that, Mitchell had over run the pass so there’s a good chance it would have gone straight into touch anyway.




    BruceWee
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    Actually, I see what you mean. In which case it seems clear that he could have referred the decision for the penalty.

    The match officials may suggest that the referee refers the matter to the TMO for review if they observe an act of foul play (prior to the next restart in play) where:

    -They may have only partially observed an act or acts of foul play

    -They are unsure of the exact circumstances

    Seems to me that either one of those would have allowed CJ to check with the TMO for the final penalty.

    I give up. Rugby is too complicated for my tiny brain to follow. I’m off to see if there’s any football on.

    duckman
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    A deliberate knock on is foul play,and a yellow was part of the focus 2012-13,the last year I reffed seniors, as everybody was at it. Offside in the last min where the top two inches aren’t working is offside.

    igm
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    As I recall,

    Japan – Scots interception try
    SA – Scots interception try
    Samoa – Scots interception try

    And even later on in the Australia game – Scots interception try

    With that track record and a telegraphed pass, deliberate knock-on for a marginally catchable, potential Scots interception try seems harsh. But ultimately it’s a judgement call and the match officials get to exercise that judgement.

    IdleJon
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    7 pages disputing a yellow card and a penalty. FFS! 🙄

    wrecker
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    The aussies aren’t happy either…..

    This got the scots a penalty…….

    igm
    Full Member

    The still looks damning but you can’t see when it was blown or whether the still is the result of the Aussie loose head going to ground (which he does appear to have done in that photo).

    And as for the ! flanker, well played sir, if that the quality of reffing then that’s what you do.

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Everyone looks to be on their feet (hips level) to me.

    IdleJon
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    wrecker – Member

    Everyone looks to be on their feet (hips level) to me.

    You should be a ref if you can tell that from above!

    igm
    Full Member

    Aussie number one has gone down, hence the Scots shoulder against the Aussie hooker’s arm. Even driving in, you can’t do that unless the loose head drops.

    Penalty Scotland. Ref is correct on that part anyway. As is Laidlaw who is pointing it out (naughty boy, leave it to the ref) – I doubt he’d be pointing at it if Scotland had infringed.

    The flanker is more difficult to explain, but it may just be the result of everyone’s binding starting to slip as the Aussies collapse the scrum. Or maybe he’s just testing the offside law (flankers are meant to test the offside, right?)

    wrecker
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    Just looking at the height of the shorts relative to the second rows’ shoulders, it all looks level. None of them are obviously on the deck.
    The scots tighthead is boring in, it’s no different to the Marler stuff everyone was criticizing. No chance in the world is that a scots pen.

    igm
    Full Member

    No wrecker, the Aussie loose head has dropped, which means the Scots tight head is suddenly held on one shoulder only (his left) and he pivots round it.

    Or he’s driving in.

    You can’t tell from a still.

    Edit : actually on the shorts thing you point out, more shorts showing on the Aussie loose head also suggests that his hips are higher than his shoulders – which tallies with his shoulders dropping, which tallies with the Scots tight head suddenly having no support for his right shoulder because the Aussie loose head has gone to ground.

    But you still cannot tell from a single shot from above.

    And look at Laidlaw. A scrum half with the ball at his number 8’s feet does not point at a possible reason for the ref to give the opposition a penalty. Good sportsmanship should be applauded but that would be a step too far.

    wrecker
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    http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/scrum-analysis-wallabies-vs-scotland
    Here you go. Nobody was on the deck. Gray had slipped off Nels hips and cowan had come around to help nel out. Should never have been a pen scotland, or a the three points resultant.

    igm
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    I’ve looked at that site now. Presumably it’s an independent site and not a load of whinging Aussies (whinging even when they win).
    Some of the analysis is laughable. Arrows drawn diagonally across people’s backs to show the direction that in an imaginary world they still wouldn’t be able to drive in – but if they did it might put pressure on the Aussie front row.

    An Aussie front row that buckled all day because they weren’t very good (relative to the Scots – or SAs 😉 ) at scrummaging.

    Once you buckle as often as they did, the ref assumes any marginal calls are you’re fault.

    Aussie front rowers – toughen up princesses (and you’re right I wouldn’t say that if they were in the room).

    I haven’t heard Cheika complaining about the unfair Scots scrummaging and he’s commented on almost everything else, so I am putting that site down as whingers, wrecker

    wrecker
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    No doubt there is some whinging from the aussies, but they are hardly the only ones are they? 😉
    I thought they got a rough time from Joubert a the scrum, and I’m not an aussie. I also thought the scots yellow was very harsh. Swings and roundabouts.

    igm
    Full Member

    I may be being unfair. The overall thrust site is actually that Aussie front rowers ain’t smart enough or powerful enough.

    But I think their analysis should be more on the not powerful enough side than it actually is.

    igm
    Full Member

    I am a Scot, but I’m happy to admit that Joubert will have gotten things wrong both ways. I probably find it easier to spot when it went against the Scots though.

    Scrum penalties are always s lottery though, and refs tend to give them against the side they perceive to have more to gain from stopping play – the weaker scrum, the side close to its own line, etc

    IdleJon
    Free Member

    I am a Scot

    I think everyone had figured that. 😉

    igm
    Full Member

    Just being clear and all.

    I also played all 15 positions over 25 years, giving up when the cortisone injections were becoming too frequent. I wasn’t any good.

    I used to know the rules too, but they all seem to have changed (has anyone seen a straight put in at a RWC scrum?).

    But I have been part of the front row shenanigans and I pity the refs in that area.

    wanmankylung
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    Why would Laidlaw be screaming for a penalty if it was so clearly dodgy?

    igm
    Full Member

    Double bluff.

    Crafty us Scots aren’t we?

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Why would Laidlaw be screaming for a penalty if it was so clearly dodgy?

    He’s a scrum half. It’s his job.

    duckman
    Full Member

    Wot Wrecker said!

    IdleJon
    Free Member

    wanmankylung – Member

    Why would Laidlaw be screaming for a penalty if it was so clearly dodgy?

    Seriously?

    igm
    Full Member

    Ultimately I don’t think that scrum was dodgy on the Scots side, at least no more so than 99% of international scrums on both sides.

    The green and gold analysis of that scrum relied on some artistic licence with the arrows showing direction of shove.

    Doesn’t mean other scrums weren’t dodgy, but with that one the Aussie front row (so good against E&W) was simply outclassed.

    duckman
    Full Member

    WP Nel is a bit of a keeper isn’t he? Even if he looks like a slightly more exotic Chunky! 5″11″ and just under 19 stone and deadly from a yard out.

    wanmankylung
    Free Member

    Seriously?

    What do you think? 😀

    IdleJon
    Free Member

    wanmankylung – Member

    Seriously?

    What do you think?

    My sarcasm alert is obviously not working today. 😆

    spekkie
    Free Member

    Last week so game was cracking! Watched it in a pub in Johannesburg. Atmosphere was amazing.
    Bit nervous for Saturday’s game now though. The AB’s are strong 🙁

    duckman
    Full Member
    IdleJon
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    However the foreign office travel advice for Scotland has been changed today to an orange alert with the warning ‘safe for everyone except Craig Joubert’.

    Scot Tom Logan said: “We Scots are a famously forgiving nation and everyone makes mistakes. That said, if I see Joubert I will kill and eat him.”

    😆

    DanW
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    At times like these it is important to remember that a victory over Australia isn’t always healthy for a Scot so maybe Joubert did them a favour

    duckman
    Full Member

    There was an interview with Ansbro in the paper,a science? Teacher at a top English school now. 31 stitches!

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    As an aside. Tickets available for both semis and final. All sold originally but these are from the resale

    NZ RSA categories A and B (C, D were available but now sold)
    Arg Aus all categories A to D
    Final categories A and B

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    So Tyler Morgan has had shoulder surgery and Anscombe is out fot around two months..Wales may struggle to field a backline in the six nations.
    1/2p out
    S Williams out
    T Morgan out
    L Williams out
    Allen out
    Beck out

    Anscombe might be fit
    Walker will be broken again by then, whens Jiffy Junior back?

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    It’s OK @aa the first two 6N after a World Cup don’t mean anything 😉

    loum
    Free Member

    It’s the two in the build up to a world cup that don’t mean anything.

    loum
    Free Member

    As shown by Ireland

    IdleJon
    Free Member

    None of it matters – you only pick the team 3 weeks before the event based on the brown envelopes that are changing hands.

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