[Closed] Wolf Tooth Components. XX1 type chainring

It's a 30T to fit a standard 104BCD and it has the new tooth profile to help keep the chain on without a guide.

funnily enough there are uk versions of that kicking about too. By all accounts remarkably good

Saw this before and wonder how well they work.

Taz - which one? Not seen anything.

Wait's for tazzys wobbly30tchainkeeperoner. 😆

Is it offset, or are you filing your spider?

It's offset.
Might have to just take the corner off the tabs not sure until i fit it.

I've also got an Andersen 30t for 104 and that needed a couple of minutes work on the tabs with a file.
Side profile of the Andersen.

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Wait's for tazzys wobbly30tchainkeeperoner.

it's not a wobbly stu, but made by the same cnc wizards. the prototypes have been thrashed and bounced all over the lake district and on local stuff and not a chain drop once.

Sam have a chat to Kev Clewes on one cog

Can't help thinkign this (and XX1) must cause a bit of resistance to pedalling, with the added friction of chain against ring. Whether that'd be perceptible or not I don't know.

it's not a wobbly stu

I recon it'd take some doing to make a wobbly 30t for 104.

from seeing them in action there's no perceptible difference in peadalling

I recon it'd take some doing to make a wobbly 30t for 104.

totally, 33 is the dinkiest wonky on a 104 bcd

I want one! I've used the andersen and extralite rings and am due a new chainring.

I can't find this in their webstore though - is it not available yet?

Also how is this supposed to work; I thought the sram xx1 ring had a special chain too?

Steve.

Click on my link at the top and then click on "online store". 😉
It's supposed to work with any 10 speed chain.

Yeah I found the online store 😀

Is this it though?

http://shop.wolftoothcomponents.com/104-BCD-chainrings-001.htm

It looks like the spiderless one has the machined teeth but the 104 BCD just looks like a standard chainring.

That's the one.
It's just harder to see the tooth profile with it being black.

Ah I see, it looks like all their chainrings have this profile, I understand now.

How long did yours take to arrive?

Two/three weeks maybe.
I can't remember when i ordered it TBH.

When are the goldtec ones available then?

Works ones are almost out as well.

Dumb question as I haven't seen these before, do you not get issues with the chain sticking still at the bottom of the stroke? Like chain suck?

When are the goldtec ones available then?

not sure, best bet is to give the shop a shout.

Been waiting on a Works one and seeing their new picture on the fb page i really am set on one but dont want to wait forever....

The Wolf one looks OK, not sure about that price though, especially if customs get hold of it?

Good to have options though.... XX1 pricing is out of my range.

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Are Works doing a 30T version?

Oh what are these customs you speak of? 😉

Are Works doing a 30T version?

Oh what are these customs you speak of?

Looks on their fb page like plenty have asked them - they say they are looking into it but i would think that means more delays (i am after larger than 30t though so this wont trouble me)

I got shafted by customs last time i purchased some parts from the USA - added £18 to the cost 🙁 - luck of the draw?

Ta. 🙂

They "might" stack the luck in your direction if you ask. 😉

Ah - this looks like perfect timing, as I am just switching to 10 speed. Raceface ring back to CRC, then phone goldtec today! If not it'll be a wolfy in 32. $19 shipping + import risk tho 🙁

Double postage 😳

So potential $100 on a chainring?

Marcin at absolute black said he had a xx1 type single chainring for sale.

I've not used that but i do have one if his 94 BCD rings which is stunningly made.

He's very helpful and in the UK.

http://www.absoluteblack.cc/chainrings.html

So potential $100 on a chainring?

So half the price of an OEM XX, or XTR chain ring then? Doesn't seem too bad.

still is stupid for a cog ffs no matter how you dress it up! Its a wear and tear item that will wear pretty quickly if alu and you ride somewhere remotely wet and gritty

How much will the goldtec ones be knocked out at? Bearing in mind that a superstar stainless ring that will wear VERY slowly plus an E13 guide will cost £55ish in total and the chainring is the only consumable here

funnily enough there are uk versions of that kicking about too. By all accounts remarkably good

Who? What? Where? Been looking for a 30T ring for ages - any pointers?

still is stupid for a cog ffs no matter how you dress it up! Its a wear and tear item that will wear pretty quickly if alu and you ride somewhere remotely wet and gritty

Don't buy one then 🙄

You must have convulsions at the idea of £350 XX1 cassettes.

i don't have one or need one as i do not suffer, unlike a lot on here, with delusions of grandeur

still is stupid for a cog ffs

Don't buy one then.

Problem solved. 🙂

As njee pointed out it's a fair bit cheaper than XX.

Oh and [b]if[/b] i could get the same thing a little cheaper I'd jump at it.But right now this is my only option for a 30t 104 XX style ring so the price seems fair enough.

i don't have one or need one

Problem solved again. 🙂

Dumb question as I haven't seen these before, do you not get issues with the chain sticking still at the bottom of the stroke? Like chain suck?

I think that's a good question...I can't remember ever getting chainsuck on a 32T chainring but maybe the tight fit of the teeth could exacerbate chainsuck in very muddy conditions?

I think a clutch mech should stop that.

Its a wear and tear item that will wear pretty quickly if alu and you ride somewhere remotely wet and gritty

Depends what grade of aluminium. If it's something cheesy like 1000 series then yes; if it's 7075/Duralumin unlikely.

Renthal have been making 7075-T6 aluminium motocross sprockets for years - the contact surfaces work-harden, so they actually wear less the older they get.

$100 is a bit steep for a ring but it is a 'new' thing right now.... My perspective is that it's a game with customs too, I know stu escaped them but i didn't last time.....

Though did people miss the part where I said the works ones will be £35-40, that's about the same as a renthal or similar - no brainier in my eyes until raceface and e13 get involved, then the choice gets tougher.

Edit- unless you need 30t in which case it's not a common easy thing so is bound to be more expensive.

I've decided not to bother until some of the other companies have brought theirs out, you're definitely paying a premium at the moment and it'd be good to see some reviews after they've been in the wild for a bit!

If it works the same as XX1 - I'm in! A friend with XX1 on his tallboy put it through its paces on Dartmoor the other day with no dropped chain and plenty around since before the Olympics, so quite a while in testing.
Goldtec - end of this month (on the phone) 🙁
Absoluteblack - May sometime (website) 🙁
Works don't seem to have 104bcd on their site 🙁

Ordered 32t - fingers crossed

Anyone want to buy an E13 XCX-ST 😉

EDIT: For me, this is a great solution, as the XCX is not very compatible with Solaris frame + 32t ring + RF turbine cranks. I can't get it quite far enough towards the seattube to get the chain central or low enough over the ring without it fouling the tabs on the chainset...

Works FB page reckons end of April for 104bcd rings.

Works FB page reckons end of April for 104bcd rings

Looks like a 34t first

Absoloute Black - just had a phone call back and looking at 6 weeks - no price yet

Oxymoron - Do you know what the smallest size Goldtec will be doing is?

Oxymoron - Do you know what the smallest size Goldtec will be doing is?

No - sorry - I am not linked to them in any way, just had a phone call earlier today before pressing the button on the Wolf

Tazzy might know more - Goldtec said they will keep people informed on their Facebook site 😉

No worries, will give them a call sometime, was just on the offchance.

Excuse the ignorance...will these work on a 10speed setup or are 11 speed chains a different thickness?

The Wolf Tooth is designed to work with 10 speed.

Hi, we will have 104bcd rings in black ready by the end of the month - 32-38t

SRAM spiderless rings will be ready at the same time - 28-36t, again in black.

As our stock levels increase we will introduce colours - plenty of them 🙂

There wont be huge quantities available but we make them in house so stock will be replenished constantly.

30t 104bcd wont be high on the priorities list at the moment so if you are after a ring in that size Wolf Tooth seem like your people to contact.

Thanks! Rick@Works Components

Excuse the ignorance...will these work on a 10speed setup or are 11 speed chains a different thickness?

Screw that! We want a 9 speed compatible one.

I've tried a nine speed chain on there and it fits fine.

You just need a nine speed clutch mech to go with it. 😉

You just need a nine speed clutch mech to go with it.

Can't see why it won't work then. 🙂

Any update on your chainring in use Stu?

I ordered mine a couple of weeks ago, but it looks like the Works one might be out before I get mine 😥

Just pre-ordered my Works one- 32T, black, £30! Not much of a gamble at that price. Doesn't look the lightest from the proto pics but we'll see what comes out. Will be combining it with a clutch mech on a bike that's already maybe 9/10ths sorted so hopefully it will be the 1/10th. No expectation of binning the top guide though.

singlespeedstu - Member

You just need a nine speed clutch mech to go with it.

9.5 speed works- sram 9 speed shifter + shimano 10 speed mech + wee simple spacer

Anyone aware of an impending 80bcd version at all (raceface next/turbine & sram fitting) in maybe 28 or 30 tooth?.

What's with the 9.5 mod northwind, intrigued?... Wee spacer??

Hi Gee, don't want to derail but if you search my posts (probably X9 and XT or throw in spacer) you ought to find some pics etc- basically you add a wee standoff spacer to the point where the cable bolts to the mech, and it changes the cable pull ratio to match old SRAM. Lenghtens the lever essentiallu

No worries I'll do some digging, curious engineer in me trying to figure out where that extra click comes from.

Just need to find an xx1 type 80 bcd ring now. Any rumours anywhere?

The clicks all live in the shifter so as long as you can match the cable pull, it all works out (just like 9-speed mtb mechs on 10-speed road shifters and cassette) I'm using 9-speed shifter, cassette and chain, 10-speed mech.

Just pre-ordered my Works one- 32T, black, £30! Not much of a gamble at that price. Doesn't look the lightest from the proto pics but we'll see what comes out. Will be combining it with a clutch mech on a bike that's already maybe 9/10ths sorted so hopefully it will be the 1/10th. No expectation of binning the top guide though.

Thankyou for the order Northwind - Rings will come in under 40g for 32t so while not the very lightest, they are not porkers, they are machined on both sides.

As it happens, i have just fitted a 10spd Shimano mech to an XO 9spd setup - 6mm spacer added and it shifts well.

My opinion is that a top guide should still be used as there is no increase in drag and the weight penalty is minimal.
One of our test riders has been running our ring with top guide only with no chain issues while his friend on an identical Trek (same model and drivetrain except chainring) repeatedly looses the chain.

We will consider other BCD rings after we have the most common in stock - pop us an e-mail or post on our facebook page if you have a request.

Thanks! Rick@Works

rickatworkscomponents - Member

As it happens, i have just fitted a 10spd Shimano mech to an XO 9spd setup - 6mm spacer added and it shifts well.

Heh. The main reason I've not had a bunch made up (*) to sell is that I assumed someone else will come along and do it first, there seems to be a demand... Will it be you guys? 🙂

(* I am the worst machinist)

To be honest i did not think of making them to re-sell, but if there is a little demand and i get some time i could make a few and pop them on the site for a fiver or something... (its the getting time part that may stop that happening!)

Just pre-ordered mine too, like Northwind at £30.00 even if it is no better than the ring on there its still a decent price for a 7075 ring....

Might try and ditch the guide altogether for a bit contrary to your advice though Rick 😉

Interesting stuff, I fancy making my FF29 1x10.

I shall keep my eyes peeled

In my eyes, one of the biggest benefits is keeping that chain on without a lower roller / guide.

To me they just add drag, get clogged with crap and in some cases then crack or just fall apart, especially if you spray the wrong lube on them... 1X 9,10,11 with a top only guide only from now on for all of my mtb's...

Cant wait for SRAM To trickle down the 11 speed tech into X9 too, no word from shimano as to what they are planning though - not like them to 'fall behind'.

Contacted Wolftooth and they were confident the chain should stay put without a chain guide or clutch rear mech- has anyone tried this combination?

I am not sure I am convinced but am curious all the same...

Contacted Wolftooth and they were confident the chain should stay put without a chain guide or clutch rear mech- has anyone tried this combination?

That's why I'm waiting for an update from Stu - I haven't got mine yet to try it, but hope it works cos I can't get a chainguide to fit well on my bike

I'm pretty sure they say you [b]do[/b] need a clutch tho

You definately need the clutch mech, wolf seems like an xc type riding lot im going to try the works one without a guide too and see how i do, i think if your racing or really pushing it then a guide is a must though, unless you cant fit one i suppose.
My pet hate is lower guides though.

I hear raceface rings will be £38 and look nice, that wolf tooth one looks very overpriced now except the 30t- especially as you need to import it, i would rather wait a week and pay half, i can see them halving pricing soon, which may annoy the early customers?.....

Glad to see you have added the 30t one on your list for mid may Rick. 😀

how do I pre-order one?

Ahem I'm pretty sure I got me obscure 80bcd 28 or 30t request in first 😉

When's it due Rick?

Good luck for Sundays race by the way Dave cannae see me gatecrashing. Mad keen to try out me new wheels too.

Contacted Wolftooth and they were confident the chain should stay put without a chain guide or clutch rear mech- has anyone tried this combination?

I am not sure I am convinced but am curious all the same...

I'd be amazed if they do, as the slightly worm XX1 I used was useless, and everyone who I have ridden with who has used it says the same.

Brand new, great.

well Gee, the 30t is on the website 😉

May for the 30T, you can pre order it at a discount

May for the 30T, you can pre order it at a discount

great, I can only see the 32t as the lowest on the pull down menu.

do you have to mail them?

I was looking last night, sure it was there.
On the phone at mo so cant look, try asking on their FB page

I'd be amazed if they do, as the slightly worm XX1 I used was useless, and everyone who I have ridden with who has used it says the same.
Brand new, great.

Mmm, that was my worry. With intricate machining like that you'll loose the profiling pretty quickly.

Looking at things, the XX1 has hooked directional teeth too - is this what wears quickly?

Doesnt look like Works, RF, E13 etc have this feature - patent?

SRAM stated the thick / thin thing came about from slow motion footage of chains jumping - they found it was side-to-side movement that allowed it to come off, so i suppose the thick / thin thing has the biggest benefit.

TBH i cant see 'standard' tooth single rings existing in a few years, why bother? - Even if the benefits diminish due to wear price isnt any greater = no brainer (E13 are experimenting with coatings now though to prolong life)

first offroad ride today with the wolftooth 30t & general lee 40t cassette
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Does exactly what it says on the tin, no drops. So nice riding without a chain device & lower roller - silent smooth etc. General Lee 40t shifted as well as the Sram cogs. Just see how long everthing lasts..