Winters coming;all inclusive rugby thread.

Good thing for 1/2p he is a tank of a man. Plenty of niggle all game but then we know who won the mental battle as well as the game overall don’t we. Would have been nice if AWJ(?) looked down for a second in the second clip 😀

Why is there still argument about the scrums? If Walsh had no previous history with England then I don’t think there would be half the complaining from the English fans…

Really enjoyed the Phil V perspective too, thanks for the link a_a

I’ve still not calmed down sufficiently to stomach a_a bringing facts to the discussion.

I watched Scrum V today, Vickery was very straight and fair. Actually liked the way he came across.

Nice link there AA. Vickers very straight and jnteresting.

Tom B – Member
I’ve still not calmed down sufficiently to stomach a_a bringing facts to the discussion.

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Don’t worry, it’s just you struggling to adapt to change, I will distract him from this new path…..

BREAKING NEWS: South Wales Police have asked for witness’s to come forward regarding a brutal crime against 15 English men on a recent visit to Cardiff who were robbed of a Grand Slam they had come to collect and also had their chariot badly vandalised during the visit to the Welsh capital?

… Apparently this heinous crime was carried out by a gang of 15 Welsh guys dressed in bright red shirts in broad daylight in front of 75,439 people who gathered around the gang attack and just stood there cheering, clapping and singing hymns and arias as if they were encouraging the gang.

A police spokesmen for the South Wales force said this “This sort of attack is just sickening……..One of the victims was a young lad called Owen Farrell who was on his first trip to Wales and has been traumatised by the whole shocking experience and to make matters even worse his father was forced to watch the entire crime from start to finish and could not lift a finger to protect his son from the sickening and relentless battering meted out by the conspicuously dressed red shirted gang”.

The police spokesman continued, “We are following a number of leads and believe this crimson shirted gang may be linked to a similar attack in Twickenham a year ago”.

‘scuse the spgs – lifted from a Welsh Facebook feed

Talk of North heading to Northampton at end of season

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21846171

Andy Robinson has been busy at Bristol……..Liam Middleton shown the door.

North isnt enough of a **** for Northampton. I seem to remember lots of talk of Jiffy Junior going last season that came to nothing. Fingers crossed.

A selection of scrumages for your viewing pleasure, if anyone would like to point out what Walsh got so wrong feel free.

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“People have come out and said that Marler was shocking, but he’s good,” Jones told the ERC website. “I’d never played against him before and he’s a better prop than I thought he was.

makes you wonder how shit he thought Marler was beforehand!!!

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_8577330,00.html

I’ll stop gloating in a few weeks I promise

“I’d never played against him before and he’s a better prop than I thought he was.”

*Translates*

“I really stuffed him didn’t I? Any chance of a nice cup of tea, bach?”

AA.

I’d like to point out that your links don’t work.

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try those. I’m on my phone so cant test them at the moment.

With Gethin and Adam coming back into form/fit again its hardly surprising what happened when a fair few teams in the last year have got on top of the england scrum at some stage over 80 minutes. Even Ireland 😉

Official whining.

And, “Spitty, spitty….”

This looks unpleasant. Not as violent and nasty as Stampy O’Driscoll, but not nice however you cut it. Looks very much as if he trying to crush 1/2p’s head in to the ground (Not illegal, but not really called for at all) and then spitting at him (Vile, beyond any acceptable interpretation of the game).

Discuss.

I’ll discuss this, from the Torygraph link ^^^^

At the scrum we just want a clean outcome. We don’t practise anything different. I’ll be speaking to the IRB to get clarification. We were frustrated.”

That much was clear from the pained demeanour of England captain Chris Robshaw at the time. He sought guidance from Walsh but got little purchase from such enquiries. Wales flanker Sam Warburton, even though he was not captain and so had no right to converse with a referee, had a lengthy discussion at one point with Walsh about interpretations at the breakdown. Sources suggest that Wales collapsed half a dozen scrums but got away with it, Walsh penalising England for going to ground.

If true, he has a point.

What were the sources who said Wales were collapsing? Walsh and both TJ,s were in theory, watching each scrum. Also, I would tell an errant forward what constitutes my reffing of the breakdown. Robshaw getting “little purchase” sorry, that just means he has complained and not got what he wants.

As an aside, has anybody ever seen Fatima Whitbread and Adam Jones together?

Now we get to the crux of why folk can stand England. Complaining about Walsh when he had a perfectly good game, compared to Joubert last week it was the best reff’d match in history.

They were hammered by a much better team, despite their cheating and spitting at the welsh they still couldn’t win.

Do you think the irb be will clarify the situation by telling them to push harder? Will they ask for clarification on what constitutes offside following Tuilagis try v france?
Intresting point re Warburtons chat to Walsh he was very polite gave a little thumbs up and trotted off. England were much more moany and clearly openly disagreed. Maybe thats a sign of experience.

s Rowntree indicated, he has always coached his scrum to push straight and to stay level. It will be interesting for him as Lions forwards coach with the Wales front-row all favoured to be in the tour party.

maybe Rowntree shouldnt coach the Lions if he cannot stand the dirty cheating welsh front row!!

I’m happy to concede that England were thrashed by a much better team. I even enjoyed watching it – not from a sadistic self-harming PoV, more an exhibition of how to ruthlessly put another team to the sword.

In my eyes, the only ‘turning point’ was Tualangi ineffectually using his face, rather than his hands to catch a pass that would have left him under the posts eraly in the game, with support on the wing. Beyond that, in my eyes the ref didn’t help, but certainly wasn’t the reason we lost.

As you say, we’ve benefited from iffy decisions / missed forward passes before now. I’m happy enough to concede that on this occasion the dice controlling the ref came up snake eyes for England, and maybe that’s just the luck of the draw. I still think Walsh is a poor ref, with a very poor record when officiating against England. Whether that’s just my one-eyedness, chance that England always perform badly when Walsh refs us, or whether Walsh actually does have a bias against England I can’t say. I suspect it’s all three to one extent or another.

you may see it as whineing, but surely as coaches they need clarification so that they can develop both themselves and players. They obviously can’t understand why they were penalised so much.
If as a coach your team were continually penealised that you couldn’t understand then wouldn’t you seek clarification?

I don’t disagree that Wales were the better side and deserved the win (how frustrating must it be knowing your team can play like that but don’t do it often enough, maybe they should ask all the oppo to play in a white shirt!!!!)

Wales didn’t do that to any other team at scrum time, and nor did anyone else do it to England, suggesting that they are not as bad scrummagers as appeared in the Wales game, nor are Wales as good as they were in the England game?

It is unusual to see such a one sided contest at scrums in international rugby.

AA you may be right, but Robshaw doesn’t appear to be a moany Englishman. And please don’t let North go to Northampton, he’ll never get the ball, send him to Quins so that I can enjoy his skills on the Sunday night highlights each week please.

Zokes put it better than me!

Bleat whinge moan bleat whinge stamping of feet 🙄

stevewhyte is on the money, this is why england rugby are so reviled by all the other nations, just take your lumps and stop crying about it.

Thought Roundtree and Lancaster had more about them that this.

Atually it is not that unusual, when england took apart Ireland last year or the times Australia were wrecked by Sheridan all we heard was purring about the strength and technique of england props. Get over yourselves.

Walsh was complained about during his last super rugby game a few weeks back too.

Is that Croft spitting on 1/2p? Not too fussed about him shoving his head, but spitting on him is one of the most disgusting things that I’ve seen. 6 month ban minimum I’d hope…..I’m guessing that it went unseen and hasn’t been sighted?

Oh and forgot to say that spitting should be cited, no place for that on any pitch, least of all an international one.

Pigface – till you can see the other side of an argument you will continue to have a one eyed view.

😆 oh the ironing 😆

Atually it is not that unusual, when england took apart Ireland last year or the times Australia were wrecked by Sheridan all we heard was purring about the strength and technique of england props. Get over yourselves.

Take a look back through this thread. I suspect you’ll find a lot of purring over how brilliant the Welsh scrum is. Rightly so, and just as rightly so as the occasions you mention re: England. It is you, perhaps, that needs to get over yourself, mr piggy.

EDIT: I should add that there were plenty of groans from England supporters prior to the game about Walsh. If nothing else, that demonstrates a perceived previous history. England do seem to have lost a rather disproportionate number of games with him officiating – there reaches a point where that stops being related solely to the team’s performance on the day.

😆 I dont remember the Irish wanting clarification or the Australians, I am over myself all over myself in an orgy of self love, come and join me, open invitation herr zokes don’t be shy 😆

Plenty of Wales fans complained about Warburton’s red card at the last World Cup. It’s just England’s turn now. Hopefully, it won’t go on too much longer. 😆

Hilarious. welshies moaning about the English moaning. Not like you’ve never moaned before is it.

None of your colonial superiors are moaning about losing to a far better team. If Walsh had been on the money fair, we would still have lost IMO. All that’s beings discussed is correct; he overruled England in the scrum (for which he has history) without explanation and helped them on to the proverbial back foot with indecision even before Wales got stuck in. . Fwiw I remember that lengthy discussion with Warburton – is was about the breakdown I believe – and I remember Robshaw being told to step back on more than be occasion.

So Walsh assist Wales but ignores England with regard to the rules being played on the day – regardless of the two sides involved that needs to be sorted.

We have got to have something to moan about 😆 we are Welsh

we moan about you and you moan that you were hard done by by that nasty Mr Walsh. Oh it’s just not fair wah wah wah 😆

At least I haven’t gloated 😉

Never mind, Wales can watch us from the stands during the World Cup seeing as they’ve peaked 2 years too early.

Never mind, Wales can watch us from the stands during the World Cup seeing as they’ve peaked 2 years too early.

*Chortles* 😆

There are two columns in this table that I can’t see Wales in. I wonder why, given their awsumz…

I am over myself all over myself in an orgy of self love, come and join me,

What time and where?

Weak very weak 😆 who would of thought unhappy englanders would roll out the WC gambit, as Sheryl Crow sang “If it make you happy” 😉

Pigface – Member
Weak very weak who would of thought unhappy englanders would roll out the WC gambit, as Sheryl Crow sang “If it make you happy”

Who’s unhappy? I just saw the weekend as the welsh helping us along with our RWC2015 development plan. Thanks for exposing our weaknesses, we’ll be sure to fix it all so that we add another number to the tables that Zokes refers to.

In fact, you’ve been so helpful I’m decided to come Afan in a couple of weeks to add some cash to your local economy to ensure your professional rugby assistance to us may continue.

Weak very weak

I agree, on balance, it appears Wales’ success at rugby outside the Northern Hemisphere is quite weak 😆