Wills and Kate

ninfan – firstly, democracies don’t work like that. People delegate their authority to representatives who are, by and large, better placed to make decisions on their behalf. That’s why we have MPs, plumbers, car mechanics. We can’t decide on everything ourselves. If we don’t think our representative is doing a good job, we get a new one.

Secondly – and this may be harder to grasp – people make mistakes. That’s unfortunate, but it is their right.

Thirdly, if you think a monarchy is some sort of guarantee against capital punishment , then I suspect you weren’t paying attention in history class.

simply look at the reaction to the visit? And in a country that regularly expouses Republican wishes.

Republicans have gone on record as saying they’re fed up of royal visits down here – every time one happens it sets their cause back about ten years…

I can’t figure out if you are taking the piss out of the English language, taking the piss out of people who are genuinely oppressed, or simply so lacking in an intelligent argument that you have to instead rely on the ludicrous.

Usually a mixture of the three, with a focus on the latter.

s like republicanism just took another step back over here 

Anyway I’d much rather have a proper head of state who has been well educated and helped to behave properly in front of important people and who knows how to present themselves – and Prince Phillip over some self loving publicity seeking idiot who slimed their way into the job.

I think you are missing the point of tours and photo shoots. The cult of celebrity thrives within the royals.
I’m still to see good arguments in favour. France and Ireland seem to do on without royals and no one seems to be able to take on Charlies letters to ministers which even those covering up seem to say bring into question the constituency and Charlies impartiality.

ninfan – firstly, democracies don’t work like that. People delegate their authority to representatives who are, by and large, better placed to make decisions on their behalf.

So, democracy only works if we don’t let the common people decide 😆

Even the Athenians would be impressed by your doublethink!

Is that why we’re still in the EU?

So, democracy only works if we don’t let the common people decide

Err no. That’s not all what I wrote. The common people DO decide but it’s not practical for them to decide on every item. Therefore they decide on a representative.

I think you need to go and read up on the history and origins of Democracy DrJ, lest I accuse you of being brainwashed by the presence of a self serving bourgeois elite 😆

Thats if you can do that without asking for permission from someone you feel is better placed to decide on your behalf…

Sorry, mate, you’re not making much sense. You know that election thing we do every few years? That’s people choosing. One man one vote. If you have a better plan, bring it on.

Again Ninfan scribble/troll with someone else – thought that is a well crafted and fantastic to be fair…sublime irony as well.

For a brief period you made actual points that were rational and you believed in rather than just say anything to get someone to respond 😥

You are a bright fell dont be a Shiboleth light who stays just inside the ban hammer with goads like this and saying stuff just to rile folk.
See still pointlessly believing in the good in all despite the evidence 😉

So, yeah, exactly what Ernie said yesterday then!

I think most of the Royal haters on here seem to think that the Royals are looking down from their ivory towers and life of luxury. I wouldn’t swop for one minute. I can go to the shops when I want, buy what I want. See who I want, we have relative freedom. Every aspect of their lives is controlled, checked and vetted. No thanks. Subjugation I don’t think so, maybe during the medieval period. I don’t give them much thought really other than thinking that Wills and Harry seem like a couple of good lads that have been through a load of sh!t that would test any bodies sanity. You haters are almost subjugating yourselves with your bitterness.
Lighten up chaps.

I can see a way of saving them. Join us and we can all be free.
Still no takers on the pro arguments and Charlies letters I see.

One man one vote. If you have a better plan, bring it on.

OK, so this is straying off the original topic a bit, but given the wonders of modern technology and telecommunications, we have the tools necessary to bring about a system of direct democracy… rather than voting in puppets who lie in the run up to an election, only to renege on their promises, we could disband parliament, retaining the civil service to suggest changes which we the populace could then vote on in direct referendums.

This would remove much of the lobbying and corruption which occurs behind closed doors, and free up a good few fat expenses claims.

Sounds shit to be fair.

Every aspect of their lives is controlled, checked and vetted.

More fuel for the ‘Why the hell was the heir to the throne so pally with a man known to have a number of perverse habits’ fire I’m afraid, along with the explosive ‘how in the hell did they allow a knighthood?’

This extensive vetting would also ring bells as to the company Prince Andrew keeps…

One man one vote. If you have a better plan, bring it on.

I do, as it happens.. 🙂

rather than voting in puppets who lie in the run up to an election, only to renege on their promises, we could disband parliament, retaining the civil service to suggest changes which we the populace could then vote on in direct referendums.

This would remove much of the lobbying and corruption which occurs behind closed doors, and free up a good few fat expenses claims.
and have the entire world run on the basis of who gets the most likes on facebook.
Run a few sob stories (all made up of course) in the run up to a vote, pay for massive tv ads, billboards, summarise it in a way that people with the attention span of 3s can understand (well tell them how to think anyway) and boom off you go, wall to wall vote for this vote for that.

It’s a crazy world. Silver spoon in hand…

I thought having royals is part of your British culture.

I’m all for a republic but people are sheep and need sone control like religion to
control them.

Still Kate did well to keep her figure after the pregnancy.

More fuel for the ‘Why the hell was the heir to the throne so pally with a man known to have a number of perverse habits’ fire I’m afraid, along with the explosive ‘how in the hell did they allow a knighthood?’

So what are you actually trying to say ?

If you’ve got a point to make, make it, just say what you think. Don’t hide behind weak insinuations.

Sounds shit to be fair.

So, have you got any better ideas?

Is that why we’re still in the EU?

Yes.

In France, our affairs are currently being managed by someone that even the majority of those voted who for him don’t want and a another guy that isn’t wanted by a significant part of his own party. It would be interesting to draw some Venn diagrams and work out how many people support both of them. Less than one in five I suspect. They were voted in on a left-wing manifesto and their policies are more right wing than the right they replaced. I’ll still go and vote next time though, even if no legislative election has ever been won by one vote.

Don’t hide behind weak insinuations.

I assume they are keenly aware of the laws of libel/slander hence the lack of an actual claim.

and have the entire world run on the basis of who gets the most likes on facebook.
Run a few sob stories (all made up of course) in the run up to a vote, pay for massive tv ads, billboards, summarise it in a way that people with the attention span of 3s can understand (well tell them how to think anyway) and boom off you go, wall to wall vote for this vote for that.

Is that the current system you’re describing?

Certainly, there are pitfalls which would have to be ironed out, but overall, it would lead to a fairer system, with less smoke, mirrors and funny handshakes.

So what are you actually trying to say ?

If you’ve got a point to make, make it, just say what you think. Don’t hide behind weak insinuations.

There is compelling evidence to suggest there was a far wider network of paedophiles and abusers operating nationwide and perhaps even further afield, utilizing care homes and hospitals to source their prey; the full scale and involvement of this is gut wrenching; there is multiple accounts of the security services involvement as a means of blackmail and coercion to manipulate the perverted powermongers.

https://soundcloud.com/gypsumfantastic23/ken-mi5

Perhaps you think that is acceptable?

There is compelling evidence to suggest there was a far wider network of paedophiles and abusers operating nationwide and perhaps even further afield,

And what does that have to do with Prince Charles ?

Is that the current system you’re describing?

Nope what you were, suggesting that every order of government is sent out for everyone to respond to.

Of course once everyone has had their say, put up amendments, asked questions, requested clarification etc. there would be about 1 decision every couple of years.

And what does that have to do with Prince Charles ?

You tell me… there are plenty of avenues of research on this here interwebz

Of course once everyone has had their say, put up amendments, asked questions, requested clarification etc. there would be about 1 decision every couple of years.

Is that the current system you’re describing?

And what does that have to do with Prince Charles ?
You tell me… there are plenty of avenues of research on this here interwebz

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So you haven’t got the conviction to actually say what you are insinuating then ?

Thought not.

Is that the current system you’re describing?

Enjoy the world you live in, let us all know when you pop back to planet earth, I’d say we have some nice bridges to hide under but I don’t think your trolling just living in a special place.

I was feeling so oppressed today that I went for a ride.

I’m about to rally against my Royal oppressors and ride to the Devil’s Punchbowl. Power to the people!

Have the plebs trespassed on your private estate?

So you haven’t got the conviction to actually say what you are insinuating then ?

Thought not.

Am I to take it you are a paragon of saying what you mean and delivering the goods?

I’m glossing away my oppression today.

Am I to take it you are a paragon of saying what you mean and delivering the goods?

He has been pretty clear on saying what he means to you and what he wants.
No one can be clear to you as we do not fully know what you are trying to say.

Attacking him wont hide the fact you wont say what you really mean.

Still no one prepared to suggest why the idea of a royal family is a good one nor able to defend Charlies letters to ministers? Poor effort.

No oppression for me. I am not one of these “subjects” of which many speak. I’m a citizen of a republic. 🙂

Am I to take it you are a paragon of saying what you mean and delivering the goods?

If you like.

You are a coward who makes pathetic snidey insinuations but doesn’t have the evidence or the balls to actually say anything.

How’s that for “saying what you mean and delivering the goods”

Over paid, over here and over sexxed

A/The Royal Family.
Part of a historical system that still exists. A system that is in place in a lot of countries around the world.
Good Points
Tourism
No need for a president
Nice non political place to entertain foreign dignitaries regardless of what is going on
A nice focal point for the masses
We already have the song
they are good at handing out trophies
it really gets up people noses

Bad Points
Cost

If they were touring the land ordering summary beatings and executions then it might be worse.

Over paid, over here and over sexxed

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Of course once everyone has had their say, put up amendments, asked questions, requested clarification etc. there would be about 1 decision every couple of years.

Given the performances of both the UK and Australian governments, that sounds like an ideal solution!