Where's the STW summer budget thread?

Ah yes that’s it, the poor are just lazy.

You’re an endangered species pal.. Love is the answer

Some good bit’s in the budget. Increase min wage and capping family credit at two kids makes sense. The betrayal of higher education continues and I do fear that smart poor kids will increasingly see it as a luxury they cannot afford. Tertiary education for the smart should be based on talent, not willingness to take on huge debt or well off parents. Tertiary education should be paid for by an extra 1p or whatever on 40% tax payers as that’s the fairest way of covering the cost of a high skill knowledge based economy.

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR – Member

I’m getting pretty tired of socialist/communist pretenders who haven’t had the gumption to go out and make some sort of decent career for themselves bleating all over social media how unfair life is. You should have listened harder at school, deal with it!

What we’ve learned from this thread:

If the government is shitting on you, you’re not allowed to complain because it’s your fault.
If the government is shitting on someone else, you’re not allowed to complain because you’re not being shat on.

So who is allowed to complain? The people doing the shitting?

I’m currently sat at home with no work, I’m getting no financial support from anyone and have a heap of debt. I’m not blaming the government, or people better off than me though – I’m blaming myself for not having all my bases covered.

Personally, working for myself, I quite like making a profit yunki

You may want to check the change to dividend tax. You’ve just been bent over in a very big way.

I’ve just read the changes 5th and can’t see where I’ll suffer tbh – please clarify my personal situation and where the changes will affect me. Thanks cos I’m fick

Personally, working for myself, I quite like making a profit yunki – I’d be pretty screwed otherwise. Do you make no profit whatsoever from whatever existence you scrape through life with? Accept that some others may have it a bit better than you FFS!

All those southern plantation owners liked making profit as well…..

Do you live on 90 a week then? If you don’t like paying people 9 quid on hour, you should have thought of a better business model….again….like the plantation owners should have.

What the **** are you on about Tom?

I’m saying **** your entitlement to make a profit.

Plenty of better businesses will do fine and startups will find a way to cope with it.

What? Nice edit by the way – no, I don’t live on £90/week. My business model currently suits 2 people – me and my staff. She lives on £275/week thanks. F*** my entitlement to make a profit???? Are you on drugs? Everything I make or lose is my own doing you tool

*edit – you chucked another edit in again – plenty of better businesses????? You really are a complete idiot – what do you do by the way?

I’ve just read the changes 5th and can’t see where I’ll suffer tbh

I assumed that you paid yourself with dividends being self employed. If not, then nothing changes. If you do then you’ve just had a big tax hike.

me and my staff. She lives on £275/week thanks. F*** my entitlement to make a profit???? Are you on drugs? Everything I make or lose is my own doing you tool

Whats your issue with paying her 9 an hour then? If you can only get by, by paying a wage that keeps a lot of people in poverty then your business has no right to exist. Maybe you can pay her 9 an hour, cut her hours and do the rest of the work yourself if you really want to keep your business.

I’m getting pretty tired of socialist/communist pretenders who haven’t had the gumption to go out and make some sort of decent career for themselves bleating all over social media how unfair life is. You should have listened harder at school, deal with it!

If everyone listened hard at school, there’d still be people on the wrong end of the normal distribution curve and living below the living wage and/or the poverty line.

Whats your issue with paying her 9 an hour then?

Read my other posts – my business couldn’t sustain it. Are you really that thick that you can’t understand how the retail industry works? I’d love to pay her £9 p/h – and I give her a bonus when we are doing well, but there is nothing left in the pot. READ MY BLOODY POSTS YOU TOSSER!

Stop **** editing your posts to make yourself seem clever every time I post!

So I should pay her £9/hr and cut her hours? You **** dickhead

Thankfully when it comes to electing governments in this country imbociles like yunki with his backward views and ideas are very much in the minority as the last election proved.

Read my other posts – my business couldn’t sustain it. Are you really that thick that you can’t understand how the retail industry works? I’d love to pay her £9 p/h – and I give her a bonus when we are doing well, but there is nothing left in the pot. READ MY BLOODY POSTS YOU TOSSER!

Your problem mate, this isn’t a Laissez-faire libertarian utopia, if your business can’t handle the change…..bye bye.

My business can handle whatever I choose thanks Tom. Do you have a business, or just work for the Man?

This may help shed some light on Tom,

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/the-wonderful-world-of-work

I have no idea whatsoever what the blokes getting at. He’s starting to make Yunki seem sane. All we need now in Hora! 😈

My business can handle whatever I choose thanks Tom. Do you have a business, or just work for the Man?

Not yet, but when I do it won’t be vulnerable to changes in the labour market.

Because I listened at school.

Yet they just keep winning elections

Not really – they’ve only managed it once in the last 20 years without help.

Can you all not have a grown up debate without insulting each other?

Nowhere near 37% of the electorate voted Tory BTW. IIRC it was about 24%.

However, there are numerous poor, disabled and vulnerable people who are literally having their lives made a misery or even dying because of the actions of the government you voted for. That’s a simple fact. They’ve successfully laid the blame for the financial crisis created by their mates in the city on the most vulnerable members of our society, and you’ve all lapped it up.

I notice there doesn’t seem to have been much mention of the ‘northern powerhouse’ turning out to be the utter lie it always obviously was. Lots of people fell for it though. Tory supporters, how do you feel about your party telling outright lies to win the election which they then immediately abandon?

And I’m self-employed BTW, I don’t fit the lame stereotype some of you are coming out with. It’s just that I’m not greedy and selfish.

I voted labour. I’m sure had they got in then we would have found out a significant number of their policies were lies as well. Are you that naive to think otherwise? It is the failing of people to see the opposing view that makes any discussion on here pointless.

Tax credits will affect those who decide to detune their work hours to enable more money from the state right?

Yes Labour have no integrity either, that’s why I didn’t vote for them. Are you suggesting we should just meekly accept it when our politicians tell outrageous lies to win elections?

I’ve not long, just a few points.

DD.
I was being sincere, no offense intended.

stevomcd
I’ve my own business so see both the employees and employers side of the tax obligation, but thanks anyway.

TAFKAS
Ok, got that. It’s a small business so perhaps there isn’t that much room for maneuver. I hope if your business does pick up that you’ll split the win with her.

Self employed here, couldn’t vote this time round, but probably would have voted con (tactical).

Stoner – Member
I do love all this left wing grumpiness.
“Yeah, we wanted a rise in the minimum wage, but we didn’t want it from you, you bastards!”

“We demand a living wage!”.
“OK, here’s a living wage”.
“We demand a HIGHER living wage!!!”.

That’s the left for you and to be fair, it’s in the T’s and C’s.

I want better wages for those at the bottom, however, I’d want to fund that from business, not state revenue.

Flame away!

That’s pretty pathetic trolling from Stoner. What they’ve announced isn’t the living wage – just calling it that doesn’t make it so. Also, increasing the minimum wage while taking away more in tax credits is pretty cynical slight of hand, even for the Tories.

‘Being grumpy’ aka actually caring about the most vulnerable members of our society. Sorry but people should be getting angry about this stuff, it’s a disgrace.

Meanwhile, tax cuts for the rich.

Grum.

Do you not see that a balance needs to be struck? Imo, We shouldn’t, as a nation, borrow money to supplement wages, while shareholders enjoy disproportionately high dividends, ROI.

So any attempt to divert some of those profits/dividends, etc, into the wages of staff so as to reduce the need for state funded wage top-up benefits, would be a move in the right direction, imo.
As I’ve stated before, I don’t believe anyone in FTE should suffer the indignity of claiming wage benefits, as that wage should be sufficiently funded by the employer.

Whether this actually comes to be, only time will tell and if things don’t go exactly to plan, I hope the incumbent will adjust policy to reach the objective of fewer wage top-up state benefits, replaced by realistic wages.

I’m getting pretty tired of socialist/communist pretenders who haven’t had the gumption to go out and make some sort of decent career for themselves bleating all over social media how unfair life is. You should have listened harder at school, deal with it!

I’m currently sat at home with no work, I’m getting no financial support from anyone and have a heap of debt. I’m not blaming the government, or people better off than me though – I’m blaming myself for not having all my bases covered.

Sounds like I’m doing a fair bit better than you then sonny Jim!! 😆

Grum – However, there are numerous poor, disabled and vulnerable people who are literally having their lives made a misery or even dying because of the actions of the government you voted for. That’s a simple fact.

I thought the budget was pretty fair in this respect though – hopefully the dodgy tory bastards are starting to realise that they have to be a bit more human if they want to survive

Grum – However, there are numerous poor, disabled and vulnerable people who are literally having their lives made a misery or even dying because of the actions of the government you voted for. That’s a simple fact.

From the BBC:
In addition, many working age benefits will be frozen for four years, such as tax credits and local housing allowance, but excluding maternity pay and disability benefits.
I hope that means new mothers and the disabled will not see cuts, a freeze, to what they already receive.

Tom1987 are you nieve or stupid ?

You raise the wage to 9 pounds across the board by making business pay for it ….

How do they do tht – they raise the price of their product

Suddently your 9 pound isnt worth the 9 pound it was intended to be its worth roughly 6 quid….

Makes the voter feel good though as they get a “wage rise.”

trail_rat – Member
Tom1987 are you nieve or stupid ?
You raise the wage to 9 pounds across the board by making business pay for it ….
How do they do tht – they raise the price of their product

It’s not that simple, is it? That ^ business, in your statement, has competitors, therefore raising prices of it’s product may make them more expensive than their competitors. Collusion to set prices with competitors would probably be illegal and pricing yourself out of people’s pockets probably isn’t a cool move.
I think it’s a bit more complex than you seem to believe.

Investors/shareholders, etc, feel under pressure to invest their wealth to offset the effect of inflation. So they invest rather than bank the money so as to receive a much greater return on that investment than they would from a high street savings account.

I’d suggest that this should be the target, to drop in on that ROI and skim some off the top, for wages. The investors, etc, still receive an ROI on the right side of the deal, and the state doesn’t have to top-up wages from it’s revenue.

anagallis_arvensis – Member
Can you all not have a grown up debate without insulting each other?
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This is STW, are you stupid? 😈

Oops Sorry Anagallis you have a good point! 😳

Everyone be nice and pick up your dummies.

The budget will balance itself out so nothing has changed except people relying on tax credits or grants will need working incomes or loans.

Tom1987 are you nieve or stupid ?

You raise the wage to 9 pounds across the board by making business pay for it ….

How do they do tht – they raise the price of their product

Suddently your 9 pound isnt worth the 9 pound it was intended to be its worth roughly 6 quid….

Makes the voter feel good though as they get a “wage rise.”

Total balls, as others have mentioned, pricing is a lot more complex than that. Besides, most of my monthly expenses aren’t going to be affected by minimum wage hikes. Even going out for a meal will be unlikely to change by very much (because the catering industry just gets round the minimum wage by salarying people then making them do double the overtime unpaid).

The ratio between the minimum wage and the living wage has been lower in the past, why is it suddenly a bad thing to be lower now?

As an aside: given Dave’s stated desire to drastically reduce net migration to the UK, I can’t see effectively raising the minimum wage* is going to help on that score.

Then again: I’ve never believed that he actually meant that for a minute. He’s just mouthing platitudes to blunt nigels message to his core vote of small-minded racists.

The bottom line is that business calls for a constant supply of labour that will work for minimum wage, and it’s they who fund the Tory party. Given that a lot of migrants are coming to work minimum wage jobs, this increase is surely only going to increase the numbers heading here.

* Can we stop using the phrase ‘living wage’? It isn’t. Its a raised minimum wage. Or in a lot of industries, just the wage

or, in a lot of industries ‘lots more than the actual wage’

Binners.

That’s not an especially sophisticated trap you’ve set there and you’re calling everyone racist?

Try the decafe mate.
🙂

Oops. Sorry. closet racists, to quote Dave directly. Admittidly its been a while since he used the term. 😉

That’s pretty pathetic trolling from Stoner. What they’ve announced isn’t the living wage – just calling it that doesn’t make it so. Also, increasing the minimum wage while taking away more in tax credits is pretty cynical slight of hand, even for the Tories.

This. He’s just pushed up the real living wage by a few £/hour by cutting tax credits.

Steve Bell sums it up nicely

The government will have to break its own pay restraint for its lowest pay grades if it wants to comply with its new improved minimum wage.

And that’s ignoring the bill for subcontracted staff who are only just making the current minimum wages.