What would it take for their to be a revolution in the UK?

Gb you seem to be taking rather a long time to suggest that there’s always someone worse off than you. Did I get it right?
The ruling classes’ position is not determined by family or education or accent but by the way they are connected to the means of production ie do they sell their labour power or do they own and/or control the means of production? I take it you’re not suggesting that we haven’t had a ruling class since WW1? Where would all that money have gone?

Always seems to be too much focus on

posting pics while whispering about conspiracy

Divert from the point made if you must…

Funny how they all bandied together for the Scottish independence vote mind

Even the use of the word Anarchy, ingrained into everyone from birth as a ‘bad’ word when really it simply means the desire not to be governed by a ‘state’ corrupt or otherwise.

That’s one, very limited, interpretation of the word. Here’s another one, albeit this one’s more real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchy

Lol says the bloke trying to drop his royals conspiracy back in the pot.

The UK is one of the best places in the world to live, part of that is due to curbing some of the freedoms that the US likes such as being able to be armed to the teeth and not pay for a comprehensive health care system. This is one of those things that a whinging minority bring up when their party of choice doesn’t win an election.

What do we want? Gradual change. When do we want it? In due course.

What do we want? Gradual change. When do we want it? In due course.

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Lol says the bloke trying to drop his royals conspiracy back in the pot.

The UK is one of the best places in the world to live

Where do you live mike?

Any chance you can stop derailing another thread with your conspiracy theory rubbish?

Why have a revolution, when you can tut conspicuously, shake your head, then have a bit of a grumble?

Leave all that frightful nonsense to the hot-headed Johnny foreigners

Any chance you can stop derailing another thread with your conspiracy theory rubbish?

Are you saying that a discussion on revolution should not in some way involve the blurred lines between politics and the monarchy?

mikewsmith – Member
Sounds like a place I’d love to live, punishment for the narrow minded idiots.

You’d like to punish those who disagree with you?
Ah, I see.

The bottom line is that even if you’re at the very bottom of society, like the people you see on the plethora of poverty porn programmes of late, things really aren’t that bad. Yeah… its not much fun, but its not like you’re starving, or living on the street.

Despite IDS’s best efforts we’re unlikely to end up with a sizeable mass of the population living in abject poverty. And thats what generally fuels revolutions

Nope just those that quote out of context, free speech is not a vehicle for hatred based on discrimination.

Are you saying that a discussion on revolution should not in some way involve the blurred lines between politics and the monarchy?

No, I’m saying once again you’re posting conspiracy rubbish on any thread you can find. Something we’ve asked to not to do many times, I’ve asked nicely so if you wish to persist I can act in another manner.

Are you saying that a discussion on revolution should not in some way involve the blurred lines between politics and the monarchy?

Seriously?

The monarchy are powerless ceremonial figureheads. Prince Charles writing the odd letter to be subsequently ignored by government ministers is hardly evidence of some takeover of the state, is it?

Illegal foreign wars, theft and corruption by elected representatives, steady erosion of freedoms and dismantling of the welfare state:

Nothing.

Telly broken:

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

Seriously?

The monarchy are powerless ceremonial figureheads. Prince Charles writing the odd letter to be subsequently ignored by government ministers is hardly evidence of some takeover of the state, is it?

Sorry, not allowed to reply…

No, I’m saying once again you’re posting conspiracy rubbish on any thread you can find. Something we’ve asked to not to do many times, I’ve asked nicely so if you wish to persist I can act in another manner.

Perhaps if they forced us all to revert to 26″ wheels there’d be a revolution

[CrapJoke]Then again, when you put wheels in the equation, all mountain bikers are revolutionaries[/CrapJoke]

It’s a conspiracy

Banhammer!!

Once again the righties are comparing this country with the “rest of the world”, and you should be grateful for living here, people hanging on the bottom of trains to get here etc, etc.

This country is a good place to live but:

theft and corruption by elected representatives, steady erosion of freedoms and dismantling of the welfare state

We are slowly losing it. It seems that some people think the only ingredient required for utopia is money.

There’ll never be a revolution, everyone just likes to use facebook to talk about it but no one will ever do anything, all the energy gets expended doing that instead in a series of hollow threats and venting hot air. A friend of mine has just shared on facebook a photo from a rooftop of a revolution supposedly happening in Spain that apparently the BBC are refusing to show coverage of, however when you click through to the facebook link it is a photo from a demonstration in 2012, so hardly surprising no one is covering it in the news today!

Everyone is happy with their massive flatscreen tellies, unlimited internet, smartphones, tablets and cars acting as pacifiers.

The bottom line is that even if you’re at the very bottom of society, like the people you see on the plethora of poverty porn programmes of late, things really aren’t that bad. Yeah… its not much fun, but its not like you’re starving, or living on the street.

Despite IDS’s best efforts we’re unlikely to end up with a sizeable mass of the population living in abject poverty. And thats what generally fuels revolutions

To be fair though, my wifes parents are fairly wealthy but some of their family are living on about a dollar a day out in the sticks in the Phils. Half the time the kids have no shoes – but they lead a better standard of life, eat better food, have more family around them and generally seem happier. Sure they don’t have iphones – but access to the latest gadgetry is a poor indicator of quality of life.

Comparing poverty between countries is not so cut and dry, except in extreme cases such as starvation conditions.

I have plenty of friends from Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, China and South America who would rather be poor in their respective countries than poor here.

The problem is, that by incrementally increasing the cost of living over several years, whilst at the same time transferring money from the many to the few, the majority have to work harder without realizing it.

This is more of a widespread issue than just the UK.

Revolution doesn’t have to be violent, but there is so much room for positive change. They don’t just give it out for free though…

OP. No chance of a revolution ‘today’, as others have said life is way too good to even consider such an option… but things can change very quickly when war or lack of food effects the majority of a nation. Slow significant change is all you can hope/work for at present… NOTE: that does involve actually standing up for what you believe in, not just whining on forums or signing e-petitions while living like a plastic tory

I think big Dave ‘once’ mentioned the BIG SOCIETY (try to forget which party he is from), have a little think about that and post some stories of your part within it (instead of silly Tory bashing.) you never know you might encourage a few others to grow up take part in some significant change.

BIG SOCIETY eh?

Didn’t that turn out to be some kind of misuse of funds?

Edit, bit more here:

The redoubtable Dame Elisabeth Hoodless of Community Service Volunteers has delivered a torpedo right into the big society’s hull. After 36 years as the great CSV champion, she said the cuts were “destroying” volunteering. Others raised their voices too: Volunteering England, the umbrella organisation for the 300 local centres, joined in, along with Citizens Advice, as great chunks of their capacity fell away. The very organisations that have for decades made Britain one of the better volunteering countries are being cut off at the knees.

The Big Society?

Assuming that ‘revolution’ means that we see a large governmental change mid-term instead of waiting for the next election, then I’m hopeful that it will occur within the current term.

IMO the tories won the election due to one central lie. That of economic success brought about by the tory element of the coalition government. Even throughout this thread we see the same lie being repeated. That we have elected the tories because we value economic success above socialist ideals.

Slowly, people seem to be waking up to this lie.

The most unbelievable part of the election was that Labour, and all other opposition failed to effectively communicate this. Everyone played perfectly into the tories’ hands by talking about saving the NHS, slowing immigration, saving social security, etc.

So the voters decided that it was economy vs idealism (why wouldn’t they – we were told it by both sides!) and chose to save their wallets out of fear.
But that wasn’t the choice. At all. Wallets will not be saved and our economy is not in safe hands. We are going to move closer and closer to where we were immediately before the collapse by handing back more control to banks.

When people start to see that (and no alternative in the form of the next government seems to exist), it may lead to revolution.

So the big society bathers wtf have you done? The point id not to be a state funded thing but something people do.

The most unbelievable part of the election was that Labour, and all other opposition failed to effectively communicate this.

The labour party failed to communicate pretty much everything. That was the problem. You can’t blame the electorate for that. Labours problem, summed upprety accurately by Johnathon Freedland here…. Labour must learn to speak human, whatever its policies

our economy is not in safe hands

It’s in the safest possible hands – do you think we want Gordy back to squander the little that’s left? It was he who brilliantly sold 50% of Britain’s gold reserves when the world price of gold was at an all-time low.

Anybody who has an ounce of understanding of how UK Plc fits in with the rest of the world will know that the big foreign money goes where foreigners think it’s going to be safe. That means a nice stable secure country with good regulation, no threat of your lolly being stolen and a few of your ex-Etonian chums running the show, not some wacky envy-inspired left wing shambles such as we have just avoided.

Why do you think London is on a different astral plane to the rest of the UK? Outside money being lodged for safe-keeping is the reason. This may seem unfair to you and much of that foreign money is probably stolen but I’d rather London had it than New York, Moscow, Paris, Madrid, Milan or Athens because it doesn’t half help the economy along.

NOTE: that does involve actually standing up for what you believe in, not just whining on forums or signing e-petitions while living like a plastic tory

Binners.. you will never understand it, A Big society (no party politics here thanks) is not for forum dwellers; way too much effort…
Have you been to Greggs yet?

So the big society bathers wtf have you done?

Is it bedtime in Australia yet Mike? How’s the beer down there?

I work voluntarily in a couple of charity shops…

Pay ain’t great but the banter is good.

on top of that, I’ve built loads of local trails, encourage folk to ride them and smile as much as possible

The UK economy is perfectly safe and with our cuts to corporation tax and probable erosion of workers’ rights, we’ll likely do well out of it from big business investment. The issue is that the price to pay for that will be the poor (and not so poor) getting shafted.

And with a hopelessly ineffective opposition, very little of real effect will done to stop it happening, least of all to correct misapprehensions of the public.

No jhj I have to feed the lizards and top up the water for the overlords. This evening I’m flying to Jakarta, a place where the wealth gap is demonstrated properly with massive opulence and abject poverty mixed in with a world class level of corruption that would put any mp’s expenses claim to shame. That and they still shoot people for criminal convictions. Where would I rather be.

I work voluntarily in a couple of charity shops…

Pay ain’t great but the banter is good.

on top of that, I’ve built loads of local trails, encourage folk to ride them and smile as much as possible

Aren’t you the chap who spends hours trawling websites for info on conspiracies and the class divides? Perhaps some of your critical thinking could be applied to your role in significant change.. a couple of hours in charity shops and some trail work 😆 while sitting in your bedroom uncovering a plan that no one else knows of! Seriously, get out there and put your money where your mouth is.

Seriously, get out there and put your money where your mouth is.

Blimey, maybe I should give that a try!!

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Can you explain your role in all of this BIG society lark?

not some wacky envy-inspired left wing shambles such as we have just avoided.

You mean that party that agrees with the IMF that wealth disparity hurts growth?

That means a nice stable secure country with good regulation, no threat of your lolly being stolen and a few of your ex-Etonian chums running the show

So creating stability doesn’t involve tackling the burgeoning UK personal debt, which is a side effect of the cost of living within the UK? Would you say UK personal debt is sustainable?

I think you have a poor understanding of good macroeconomic practice, but hey. We are trying to improve competitiveness by encouraging only small to moderate increases in pay whilst doing nothing to reduce the cost of living which is a driving factor of pay – instead we are up to our eyeballs in debt.

The UK economy is as poorly aligned as it was before the 2008 crash, pissing about with public spending will do nothing to counter the eventual earthquake and realignment that is going to take place.

globalti – Member
because it doesn’t half help the economy along

That’s where we differ. I believe it creates instability. It can leave as soon as it arrived, but as soon as you welcome it, you are bound by it.

It’s a conspiracy

That’s what they want you to think.