What steel roadbike frame

hora – have you read the content? That’s what’s amusing, not the look of it.

Their website is awesome, frames are bloody good too.

Would love one of their frames but I’m still in the half that price for a second hand bike catogory.

you can buy my Kinesis GF ti frame and fork for £700

that is probably tempting after experiencing my tripster – the frame really smoothed out the road imperfections compared to my reasonably ‘springy’ croix de fer – with just a frameset change so same wheels/tyres, seatpost, etc. I was riding at biggish potholes just to see how much it could take!.

thepodge – Member
What about a willson

You could ask for a discount if they dont use a named sticker on every tube

Not enough stickers to get the name right, though!

I’d love a ‘fancy’ steel frame, just for the looks alone. My Croix de Fer is lovely to ride, though. I’m not sure if I’d really be able to tell the difference between 725 and 853.

hora – have you read the content? That’s what’s amusing, not the look of it.

Points of View page… Wow. the thoughts about flies were enlightening.

£700 cost?
Nice quality Steel (853 good enough)?
Nice carbon fork (ENVE good enough)?
Gorgeous paint job?
Northern shop so you can even manhandle the goods?

http://www.paulmilnescycles.com/genesis-volare-853-reynolds-853-road-bike-frame–full-carbon-enve-fork-2275-p.asp

thread closed, as the kids say.

Genesis make an attractive to frame but ? hmmm I know its the Reynolds colours but its too burly and not attractive.

Too burly and not attractive… that Volare? Seriously? 😕

Anyone reckon we should organise an STW road group ride as a test day just for Hora to try as many bikes as possible…? (Added benefit being that he could see that we are actually real people in real life 🙂 )

A STW road Peaks pootle?

thread closed, as the kids say.

I agree.

Just buy the thing. Even if you spend another £100 gettign it stripped and sprayed dog poo brown or something you’ll still have a lovely frame.

too burly and not attractive

Seriously what drugs are you on (I want some), you sold your previous bike because it was too flexy but a frame designed not to flex is too burly 🙄

I’m not buying that when a lot more NICER as has been discussed. Grasp the concept?

Forks are nice though

I put a pic up on Page 1 of the Voltaire in Madison Genesis colours, he blanked it then too..

As ever, it’s all just a Moon on a Stick request 🙄

Seriously what drugs are you on (I want some), you sold your previous bike because it was too flexy but a frame designed not to flex is too burly

I can see his point the volare isn’t a skinny tubes steel bike, especialy the headtube. Stick a tapered headtube on it and it would look a lot nicer.

And heavier than the basic condor frame, although it doesn’t look like their weights have been updated as the Acciaio and super acciaio are listed as the same 1800g weight (volare is listed as 1920g).

No idea of weight (although it is ‘gas pipe’ 525, so won’t be in the 1700g range like some frames mentioned) but it is £600 under budget, and the usual roadie rule of thumb is £1/gram lost so treat yourself to a training plan (because there’er is a lot more than the frames weight difference on you Vs a comitted roadie!).

That green on the genesis doesn’t seem to actually match the green from the reynolds sticker – is that right ?

Ok, beauty is in the “blady, blah” 🙄

Original scope was a steely, he clearly is into a bit more race pace riding (or wants to) but that Bob Jackson looks kinda neat now we’ve all had time to absorb what he really” wants.

Happy with that.

Surprised no one has yet mentioned a Tripster.. 😆

I put a pic up on Page 1 of the Voltaire in Madison Genesis colours

Volare 😉

Right, I’m off for a post-work 50 mile pootle on my steel road bike.

Have you considered that you prefer the chase of selecting a new bike to the cold hard reality of actually owning a bike and, well you know, actually riding the thing?

All of the steel frames mentioned are lovely, but if you want to pootle on the road get a hybrid. If you want the kudos of having other riders look at your bike, admire the frame and therefore think that you must be a ‘proper’ roadie because you have a steel framed bike as you pootle around, then at least be honest and say that!

Why not go with Steve Goff, you can get a complete frame and forks custom made for £500 and it will fit like a glove!

hora, I’m doing a 60 mile spin from North London first thing Sunday morning if you fancy it – you can take the carbon one or the aluminium one and see which you prefer if you like 🙂

I want what we all want. Something that looks a little bit special, nice paint, nice colour, nice decals. Nice finish, comfy, not heavy but not light, something that you grow affection of.

I don’t care what others think. Hardcore Roadies whirr by, drivers think you are one of them. Kinda in the middle. I like my grouoset, I like the hoods, the bars. Si a hybrid would horrible.

Personally i’d go for this, True Temper S3 tubing, and my mates 56ish frame came in at just under 1500g so light as well 😀

Might be a smidge over budget though!

That volare looks burly due to the 44mm head tube and isn’t as skinny/noodly as some steel, but if I didn’t value the light weight my CF provides I’d have bought one in a shot.

At least see one built up and decide if it’s still burly and unattractive as it ticks so many boxes?

Personally i’d go for this, True Temper S3 tubing, and my mates 56ish frame came in at just under 1500g

Seriously? A 56cm steel frame that weighs less than 1500g? My ti Condor weighed that. Is it a mister whippy special or is your mate just really light?

Seriously? A 56cm steel frame that weighs less than 1500g? My ti Condor weighed that. Is it a mister whippy special or is your mate just really light?

It’s neither of those, 88kg and really really high spec tubing, top drawer builder, look up true temper s3, stronger and better than 853 so thinner tubes for similar or stronger frames, but with equal dent resistance.

True Temper S3

Waterford rate the S3 steel as well

I think Ragley were using True Temper tubesets at one point.

You can get Reynolds 953 and Columbus XCR frames down to about 1600g but i’ve not seen any lighter than that.

Not sure I would be too trusting of a steel frame that was sub 1.5kg.

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Not sure I would be too trusting of a steel frame that was sub 1.5kg.

Well I know a guy in Hampshire who rides a 60cm version, he weighs 125kg!

And I’ve been cross racing my 33 since 2009 with no issues! They are plenty strong enough!

It’s pretty remarkable. I guess this is next stage of development for super steels. Actually, a quick look around and the 1.5kg mark isn’t even the lightest that some fabricators are claiming to be building at. They’re saying sub 3lbs, which is basically sub 1.3kg!

It would be interesting to compare the UTS of the True Temper S3 with that of Reynolds 953. What’s interesting about the latter is that it’s UTS is something like 40% higher and yet frames built from the stuff are only typically 10-15% lighter. I’m not sure why but I guess it will be to do with how thin you can make the tubes before they crumple?

Some lessons I’ve taken from this thread:

1. There are a lot of bespoke builders out there making very nice work, many of whom I’d never previously heard of; and

2. Almost without exception those same builders have terrible websites.

3. The outputs from those builders, while stunningly creative and entirely desirable are all largely the same material product, i.e. in terms of function. It is in the form of the product that the most important differences arise and it is the form of the product that the customer values the most.

Just get a 56cm super acciaio, it’s so eye wateringly expensive for an off the shelf steel frame it must be good.

And if not I’ll buy it off you half price :-p

Just get a 56cm super acciaio, it’s so eye wateringly expensive for an off the shelf steel frame it must be good.

And if not I’ll buy it off you half price :-p

How about he buys a 58cm first then realises it’s too big and sells me it cheap, before swapping for the 56cm and selling it cheap to you because it doesn’t grip on white lines/throws him off at roundabouts/he’s scared to ride it in the rain

Maybe we should just phone condor and point them at this thread and see if they’ll do an STW group discount.

Hora can then try and sell his dicount frame at nearer full RRP.

The cynic in me wonders what blend of steel is in that Taiwanese Ritchey Logic.

Plain old tange/4130 otherwise why keep it secret? No one else does. Elude to a blend then you can still charge more for pig iron. I’d love to be corrected as that’s holding me back from that stealthy looking beaut too.

thisisnotaspoon – Member
Maybe we should just phone condor and point them at this thread and see if they’ll do an STW group discount.

That’s not a bad idea all round – I’m in. 🙂

Maybe we should just phone condor and point them at this thread and see if they’ll do an STW group discount.

Funny because I was only talking to Julian at Condor yesterday and mentioned this thread to him.

Plain old tange/4130 otherwise why keep it secre

Ritchey Logic tubing was originally a development of Tange Prestige, which was and still is Cro-Mo steel.

It’s interesting how much more aware we are of the alloying composition of steel these days. I wouldn’t say we represent sophisticated buyers, but we are definitely very aware buyers.

If you we’re going custom, would you have it built to take discs?
I’m toying with a new steel frame for my 40th, and wondering about discs..

A development of Range prestige- anymore info?

I’m looking at the Fratello tomorrow.

And whatever that Ritchey frame weighs, I can guarantee than when you add the WCS monocoque fork, the weight will be more than competitive with “higher end” steel.

Just pick the one you like the colour of 😉