[Closed] What is it about Michael Gove...

He's a ****.

He's a hateful turd.

HTH

IMO his most annoying characteristic is the way he keeps breathing. He'd be much more bearable if he stopped that.

Every time he speaks all I hear is the sound of oxygen being wasted

He is truly awful.

Is he being kept there because he attracts so much attention that the Tories can get up to all sorts of odious naughtiness in the background and get away with it?

Harry,
Is it because he is a complete and utter ****, what have I won? eh?eh?
So having scrapped SATS at Y9 we will give te little ****ers a different exam to see how many would pass the common entry test to Private school so we can measure just how much better they are than state schools. What BS will he make up tomorrow?

but he is giving a king james bible to every school 😆

he is a tool of the highest order 🙁

It's been done before, but I mean… look…

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A face you could never tire of slapping.

did all the people who voted for Gove, Maud, Gideon etc. really expect anything different from them?
They're a shower of twunts. I suppose most MPs are self-serving so-and-sos but c'mon why are we shocked by all of this?

I don't see what the problem is, I read the headline that he wants to make state schools like public schools, I for one approve of the increase in spending on state education he is proposing.

I take it that is his proposal? I haven't had the time to read the full piece yet, but it can be the only logical way to achieve his rhetoric, so it must be.

So having scrapped SATS at Y9 we will give te little ****ers a different exam to see how many would pass the common entry test to Private school so we can measure just how much better they are than state schools.

nail head interface

he does seem to have a way of alienating and offending people

Our MP pointed out that half the state schools in our town out-perform the independent on headline GCSE performance:

Polam 61.4%, Carmel 90%, Hummersknott 71%, Haughton 63% and Hurworth 83% pupils with 5 A*-C GCSEs.

I'm sure they'd be happy to lower their performance to bring themselves inline with the private school, so long as they get the same funding as the private school.

It is part of the tory mentality that everything private=good and everything public=evil. Same as that is happening in the NHS. The first thing I heard of when he mentioned 10-hour school days was "You're going to need to near double the staffing to cover that."

Though there is a special place in Swansea (my atheist Welsh version of hell 😀 ) for Nick Clegg for allowing extreme right wing policies to go unchallenged.

STW = The Blob?

I think he's doing a good job, which is more than can be said for the teaching establishment.

because he is uniquely unqualified to be undertaking the role he is supposed to be doing.

grade A useless twunt

I like him 🙂

As always with Gove a potentially good idea mixed with bollocks. Close the gap between different types of school - fine no argument. How? (among other things) get everyone to take CE. What for? That is an entrance exam. Why more exams? Aren't there enough already.

...oh and while we are at it, lets go for the PISA tests as well.

If only he paused and though before making such silly comments!!!!

BTW - lets take the piss out of silly ideas but not about someone's appearance - that's poor.

[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-I-know-about-teaching/dp/1492912417/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391455652&sr=8-1&keywords=michael+gove ]He gets cracking reviews here.[/url]

Derekfish.

Come and spend a day in my school and she how much of a bad job the teaching establishment does and the impact it has on my inner city non selective school getting 100% A*-C grades.

I'll await your generic troll response.

I did love the way he talked about state schools giving pre-school & weekend detentions.

Like pupils are really going to turn up for them, eh? He seems to think that they're all boarding schools with no escape for the kids.

Post school detentions work (or they did in my day 😳 ) because the kids were already there but who would make the extra effort to turn up? it'll just breed a worse group of disobedient scrotes as they will stop turning up all together.

Funkwit.

I'll respond when you get your teacher to correct the spelling in your post.

Don't tell me teaching standards are anything other than poor, please, I hire the results, it's pathetic.

This guy is trying to do something about it and all he gets is the sort of childish abuse you see above.

I bet it was so much better in your day.

Are we all supposed to be impressed with your peacock display of ignorance to what actually goes on in the classroom.
I'd love to watch know it all idiots like you flail your way around an inner city comp.

Yep completely insulated muppet. Means well I'm sure but has absolutely no useful insights or experience applicable to the real world. Get standards up, Hurrah, how, more testing, doesn't that come at the end of the process not the start?

As for getting state schools to perform like private schools, two issues:

1. There are plenty of mediocre private schools out there.
2. The better performing private schools perform better because they are selective (extra resources help but aren't a panecea).

If he doesn't get to grips with no 2 (i.e. stop treating everyone the same and start accepting not everyone is academically equal and people learn in different ways) nothing will change.

And to answer the OP, it's his lips, and probably his ears....and his eyes and glasses. Infact it's just him, it doesn't matter what he says, coming out of that face is going to devalue it.

so he's going to make private schools indistinguishable from state schools. What planet is he on! Private school students get twice as much spent on their education as state schools, nevermind any other issue. Is he going to double the education budget? No. End of idea. Oh and MrsG is a teacher in a really good state school but even her students in leafy middle class surrey get the level of teaching of good private schools.

I don't see what the problem is, I read the headline that he wants to make state schools like public schools, I for one approve of the increase in spending on state education he is proposing.

I assumed that he meant that he wanted more buggery in state schools...

I think he's doing a good job, which is more than can be said for the teaching establishment.

care to explain why you think these things

Blimey, good job his name isn't Tristram.

Call him Tristram and we would be flip flopping on free schools and introducing testing for teachers every 5 years. They are full of such good ideas.

I think he's doing a good job, which is more than can be said for the teaching establishment.

To be fair derekfish, this is your standard answer on Gove threads isn't it? (or something along these lines)

You're more than welcome to back your assertions up with some facts, or some policies of his that have been [b]actually enacted[/b] and will improve results. All I ever hear are half-baked ideas. His advisers tell him that he needs to do better. He fires the advisers who he hired to give him intelligent criticism and keeps re-hiring until he gets a bunch of yes-men surrounding him that agree with him. Is this how an intelligent and successful education secretary should act?

(I also think he looks a bit weird, but he's not the first Tory to be guilty of this. He's just not up to the job - combine this with looking a bit weird and he's on to a loser...which is a sorry state of affairs. I mean it's not like right wingers on STW ever had a pop at Gordon Brown for having a slightly wonky eye is it?)

Did anyone see Michael Gove on TV tonight and get a Ghostbuster flashback?

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deadlydarcy - Member

To be fair derekfish, this is your standard answer on Gove threads isn't it?

deadlydarcy - Member
I mean it's not like right wingers on STW

Right Wingers? Are there any left? I thought it was a banning offence.

And no, I don't consider myself right wing, I just hate teachers.

He said he wants [b]every[/b] school to be above average.

Yup.

I just hate teachers.

Classy.

Were you in education today, you'd be required to back up your position with evidence. Care to do so?

He said he wants every school to be above average.

Yup.

That's one of my favourites. When asked how, he said "by continually improving". Genius.

Don't tell me teaching standards are anything other than poor, please, I hire the results, it's pathetic.

This guy is trying to do something about it

Examples of his good ideas are welcome. Does doing something count as a good idea? Testing.. yes lets do lots of testing of everyone and see where that gets us... and errrr shurrrup you advisors with the good ideas at the back i prefer my own ideas. Gove is a a funkin muppet.

What I would like to see, is his vision of ideal teaching environment / standard.

Then I could work out if a) I like what his vision of perfect is and b) If there are any plans / steps in this constant stream of changes the blokes trying to make.

I mean, there must be a reason behind it, but I'll be buggered if I can work out what it is.I may even agree with it, and maybe even the steps he's trying to take, but it's so seemingly random, that I cant work it out.

I just hate teachers

All teachers? No matter how hard working and dedicated they might be?
I think I might also irrationally hate all trolls called Derek.

miketually - Member
I just hate teachers.
Classy.

Were you in education today, you'd be required to back up your position with evidence. Care to do so?

Anecdotally I'm sure I could provide reams of examples of graduates lacking in basic common spelling and arithmetic skills, not to mention asking simple things like naming English Counties, who the figure on the top of Nelsons Column was and what did he do.

But that isn't evidence of teaching skills or lack thereof, my hatred extends beyond that, it's the general patronising attitude they carry across from pupils to me as a parent, similar to those posting here, they just have this arrogance born from standing in a room of young humans forced to listen to them.

We had an old saying for them, teachers, the male versions, men amongst boys and boys amongst men, it is so very true.

Now, it is my opinion, it can't be disputed so don't try, you won't change it. There are of course exceptions, some are even friends, but when it comes to the crunch, even they can be absolute tossers, it goes with the job.

EDIT: you attempted to answer.

you won't change it.

Some people are like pistachios you know. 🙁

Wowsers Derekfish.
I get the trolling, nice one.
Out of curiosity what do you do for a living?

I'm wondering what job you're employing them for where spelling, basic maths, knowledge of English counties and trivia about London landmarks are a key requirement?

I could give you lots of examples of graduates who could do all these things, do you have an address I could give them to send you their CV? Perhaps the nature of your work leads to poor quality applicants?

Incidentally, what is your job? I'd like to make some generalised comments about everyone who does it, based on limited knowledge.

Gove likes academies. He also likes academic rigour.

I saw some analysis last week showing that academies are far more likely to use GCSE-equivalents to boost their league position than non-academies.

The man's a genius.

But that isn't evidence of teaching skills or lack thereof, my hatred extends beyond that, it's the general patronising attitude they carry across from pupils to me as a parent, similar to those posting here, they just have this arrogance born from standing in a room of young humans forced to listen to them.

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For the record, I think I'm condescending rather than patronising.

BTW - lets take the piss out of silly ideas but not about someone's appearance - that's poor.

He scrapped "Every Child Matters" the day after he came into office. And just four years and one election-a-looming later, he wants schools to provide wholesone and character-building activities to fill those 10 hours of the day. (keen watchers may recall that for many schools, this was one of the things lost with the scrapping of ECM) Smooooooooooth. 8)

I've just had a thought, as all teachers are tossers and doing a sh1t job of teaching our kids who Nelson is, maybe we should just sack them all.
Yes it makes perfect sense. There's 420,000 (or so) of the spongers out there, there average salary is a staggering £37,000.
My simpleton maths (damn education system) gives a saving of £15,540,000,000.
Now we're all so stupid to understand that big number, maybe Derekfish could help explain it to us?

Anyway I'm distracting myself (maybe I'm the product of my poor education). My thought would be to buy each child a copy of a Uk atlas, a dictionary and print out a copy of the Nelson Wikipedia page.
At least that way they'll all be qualified for the modern workplace.
Maybe they could start working earlier? Say at 6 or 7 years old?

Thoughts ?

Could the nice Mr Gove, be a conservative party troll,he certainly seems to wind people upmore than a large key in a clockwork toy.

Kimbers - King James is arguably the greatest work in the English language...regardless of religious orientation I'd want my kids taught about it!

If there was a little more acceptance about the parlous state of UK education from the people partially responsible (I include politicians, parents and society in general as well) then maybe teachers wouldn't need to be permanently offended by Gove. The bleating from the teaching unions against anything which disturbs their discredited orthodoxy runs the risk of turning public opinion against the profession, and lets not pretend that the opposition is much more than politically motivated.

I just hate teachers

How can you hate all of one profession? I could understand if it was 'I hate all Software Developers' and 'all people with the middle name of Peter', but all teachers?

My Dad was a teacher. Do you hate him as well? Do I need to warn him?

I want to see Pob go into a Rochdale comp and personally explain how he was extending their school day to allow them to attend debating societies

Like most of the present Tory party, he views the world through the prism of a 1950's Home Counties utopia that never actually existed. And his every superior, patronising, condescending utterance simply goes to reinforce how utterly and completely detached from everyday reality these gilded ****-wits actually are

jeffm - Member
there average salary is a staggering £37,000.

Their salary is also matched with an excellent pension and holiday periods, far in excess of any of the average pay the private sector in which I exist can expect and private sector pensions well don't get me on another rant.

So, all in all, teachers should be happy with their lot in life.

Michael Gove is passionate about his task, which is dauntless if he genuinely thinks he can get the state sector to come even close to the private sector, not least to the essential difference which generally is in pastoral care.

But can you tell us why you think he's doing a good job?

binners - Member
I want to see Pob go into a Rochdale comp and personally explain how he was extending their school day to allow them to attend debating societies
Like most of the present Tory party, he views the world through the prism of a 1950's Home Counties utopia that never actually existed. And his every superior, patronising, condescending utterance simply goes to reinforce how utterly and completely detached from everyday reality these gilded ****-wits actually are

^^this.

Jeffm. Keep up the good work

Gove is the worst kind of political cretin.

bainbrge - Member
Kimbers - King James is arguably the greatest work in the English language...regardless of religious orientation I'd want my kids taught about it!

Even if I did agree with you Id recommend something practical like the use of this website

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

of course it does nothing to aid the expansion of Gove's garganutuan ego

Derekfish - You are Nigel Farage and I claim my ten shillings!

Have you a view on them all being gays and communists, by any chance?

deadlydarcy - Member
But can you tell us why you think he's doing a good job?

Because the incumbents are wailing & whining like the idle unrealworldly fools that they are.

I'm loving every minute of it.

Time for them to wake up to private sector working hours.

Because the incumbents are wailing & whining like the idle unrealworldly fools that they are.
I'm loving every minute of it.
Time for them to wake up to private sector working hours.

So you can't then. Fairy nuff. But you should have just admitted that at the start.

Private sector working hours Oh - that old fable.
I was marking at 6am and finished work at 5am - quite enough thank you.
i will be in tomorrow at 7am and finish 5.30 after a meeting with work to do at home.
Trust me - I am working as smart as possible at the mo.
Teaching is hard in Borris town.

But but but

HOLIDAYS!!!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes holidays are ace - hence I take the hit during term time.
Have you tried keeping 32 15 year olds in a room for an hour on task?
Teaching is something you can do or you cannot. It's a bit like being an actor 30% of the time - a professor 40% - a dad 20% of the time and an unstable mad uncle who wants you to do really well 10%.

How do you reconcile bemoaning a fall in educational standards with supporting a man who wants to impose more tests (which unavoidably reduces the amount of time pupils spend being taught)?

This thread is ace. Derekfish, can you tell me anything Gove has done to improve education?

There are certain people on STW who are in the cut and thrust of the private sector. They will happily admit they do **** all and get paid pretty well for it. All the teachers I know work their arses off.

They do love moaning though. 🙂

@Wally (because I'd hate there to be any misunderstanding) I was taking the mick.

If I got a similar salary and the same pension in a private school would I be able to moan more or less?

Watch the BBC recent new teachers programme before you throw stones.
It's very accurate.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03sqxc3/Tough_Young_Teachers_Episode_4/ ]Tough young teachers[/url]

I know 🙂 You're an old hand at this xxx
Right off to bed - up at 6 to start altering my SEF because my SIP is in and my raiseonline needs analysing. nighty night!

There are hundreds on zero hours contracts, many more on annual contracts, don't talk to me about private sector luxuries..

More hours, better discipline and higher standards, what can possibly be wrong with asking for that after the rest of us have worked our butts off standing still for the past 7 years.

We're all in this together, remember that?

Time for teachers to join in.

They wouldn't know how to work their arse off, other than polishing a seat with it.

That nasty man really did bad things to you didnt he. Point on the doll, its the first step in making you feel better

Like - at the risk of sounding like a broken record, what's Gove doing to fulfil this fantasy world you dream of?

anagallis_arvensis - Member
That nasty man really did bad things to you didnt he. Point on the doll, its the first step in making you feel better

God I bet teachers wish they could toss it off on private sector working hours.

Gove is compleatly out of his depth in the education depth and has only random soundbites based on a vague memory of his own school to promote as policy. If every one qualified to comment disagrees maybe you are not a visionary but an idiot.

It's simple - Gove is hitting big - making waves to climb the ladder - he has huge aspirations. Unfortunately education is where he is now. He will be gone soon. Also education goes in cycles - sort of 20 year ones - Be nice - play the tune - keep out of trouble and always treat a new day as a fresh opportunity for all. Never give up on anyone.

Nowt wrong with learning about the Bible it's key in understanding Europe for the last 1000+ years. Doesn't mean you have to be religious mind.

Teachers lets face it always winge and as most are lefties will hate the Tories no matter what. It's kind of predictable and boring really. I don't see anything wrong with a few more exams let's everyone know how the kids are doing with no dodgy teacher subjectivity plus helps the student learn exam technique and to work under pressure.

I agree - don't knock teachers until you have stood in their shoes for a term.
However, all that Gove is suggesting is proven to be less effective than good teaching. See the 'top ten' ways of improving learning according to the worlds biggest study of teaching and learning. Notice that Gove's long days, more exams and debating does not appear ( they are bottom of the table, and not effective in comparison).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_Learning
I spent Saturday with the head of General Teaching Council Scotland and senior advisors for Education Scotland. All were in agreement - if you want to improve outcomes for kids in school, empower, invest in and train the teachers. Here we now have in place a radically different approach to being a teacher, including regular professional update, that is at masters level, that will be funded and supported by local authorities and schools. It is not perfect, it is still being worked out. But it is a move strongly in the right direction, unlike England.

I have a Master in Education - all it taught me to do is reflect upon research and listen to ideas around me. Education system does not fit all - it never can and never will do, all you can hope for is a best fit model with the adaptability within to cater for most. The sad truth is most of the time parents are to blame, but this is a VERY hard pill to swollow. So obviously not taken.