What 18v cordless drill for £100ish or less?

So why have you posted 11 times on this thread?…is it cause you is a "IT guy" who thinks he's an expert on everything?

What ? you've gone through counting how many times I've posted …… lol that's hilarious ! 😀

But why have I posted you ask ? Well the OP didn't specify that he was looking for a DIY drill – in fact the lack of information concerning what the drill is to be used for made making a recommendation rather difficult. So whilst I am happy to suggest what he should be looking for in a cordless, I can't recommend a DIY make. Apart that is (for reasons which I have already stated) Ryobi. In the same way that if someone wanted a recommendation for a cheap bike to cycle down to the shops, I would recommend that they look at Decathlon bikes, even though I've never owned one – there is sufficient anecdotal evidence from reviews and the components used, to suggest this would be a sensible consideration.

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..is it cause you is a "IT guy" who thinks he's an expert on everything?

Why thank you, that's very kind ……………. but I really think you might be exaggerating my expertise on all things *blushes*
And no, there is no way that I could be described as an "IT guy" ………. social commentator and philosopher, might be a fair description though 8)

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But anyway waynekerr …….. you still haven't haven't answered my question, ie : how come a "tradesman" uses DIY drills ? Do tell – I'm really rather intrigued.

And don't you think your 20 year old Makita cordless drill needs upgrading ? …… specially if your livelihood/bread and butter depends on it. You'll find that there's been quite a few advances in the last 20 years

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You need to grow up, as it appears you will not be happy until you have the last word
Don't you see you are making a proper twunt of yourself.

it appears you will not be happy until you have the last word

Sorry mate ………… but you asked me a question 😕

I presumed you wanted an answer……..

What disappoints me waynekerr, is why you didn't respond to the OP when he originally asked for recommendations. It seems we were all wasting our time huffing and puffing trying to figure out what might suit the OP best, when you could have sealed the deal in one post. I love it when someone's post starts with "…absolute bollox…" because if always alerts me to the sensible advice to follow.

Well DD, I responded as soon as I read it, sorry if it was not soon enough for you but quite simply, I do not sit in front of a PC all day reading forums.

No. Neither do most of us…apart from ernie, apparently.

But sadly Deadly, not often enough to respond to AB's final post requesting opinions. By the time I had read it several days had past and I figured it was probably too late to comment that, whilst the drill is undoubtedly an excellent one, it has no hammer action which might, or might not be, a problem for AB.

BTW AB, if you do need a drill for occasional use into brickwork etc, just buy yourself a corded one with hammer action, they are really very cheap – even for a decent one. And yes, that Bosch 14.4 drill driver looks really excellent – I reckon you'll get many years of reliable use out of it 8)

Thanks for all the advice folks.

Ended up with this Bosch 14.4v lithium ion drill driver complete with 3 li-ion batteries

Good deal I feel.

A couple of months ago I got the Makita LCT204W drill/driver combo.

Next purchase will be a router, but I'm genuinely afraid to ask for advice lest I stir up a hornets nest…

I'd best answer this quick then in case I get in trouble.
I've owned several models over the years, including Makita & reckon this one is the best, it all depends on what you want it for & what you want it to do. I have had this one for about 8 years now & it has loads of abuse & is faultless, It replaced another Trend which got damaged in a fire. I have used a 1500watt router & it was not a patch on this one.
It's what Trend do, the others follow.
Ernie may know better though.

Ernie may know better though.

No mate, you've completely lost me now ……….. your recommendation for a cordless drill/driver is ……… a
2000W router ? WTF you on about ? 😯

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It's what Trend do, the others follow.

Again, I don't know WTF you are on about. The Trend T10ELK router is a direct copy of the Elu MOF 177 router which ceased production many years ago after DeWalt bought the Elu company. But you knew that ………right ? 😕

The Elu MOF 177 router (which is a design probably about 30 years old) :

And the current Trend T10ELK router :

You'll notice that the routers are almost indistinguishable. In the case of the variable speed version of the Elu MOF 177, the current Trend router is more or less a carbon copy of it. As can be seen by this picture of an extremely old Elu router :

Though I will agree with you on the suggestion that Trend routers are worth considering ………. but only because they are direct copies of the old Elu routers.

Quite what this has to do with the OP is beyond me 😕

i'm speechless.

your recommendation for a cordless drill/driver is ……… a
2000W router? WTF you on about?

Quite what this has to do with the OP is beyond me

It was actually me that brought up the subject of routers – see my post a few up.

Have been looking at Trend routers, in particular the very basic one that you can get for less than £100; I'm a Craft & Design teacher so this would be a personal purchase for light use.

househusband – right, I had seen your link to the Makita cordless but hadn't noticed your request for advice on a router …….. that explains a lot ! 😀

Whilst I am sure that waynekerr's Trend T10ELK is an excellent router, as you say it's 'for light use' I very strongly recommend that you don't buy a half inch router.

The T10ELK weighs over 6 kilo, you'll get a decent quarter inch router for less than half that weight. I can't emphasis enough how much easier and safer imo, a 1/4" router is to work with, over a 1/2" router…… specially if you're working away from a workbench.

As far as recommendations are concerned, all the big boys – bosch, makita, etc, make decent motors for their power powers, so for me, the overriding issue would be the tool's ergonomic qualities – something which I believe to be extraordinarily important when using a router.

For that reason I would shy away from companies such as Bosch which have never had a huge share of the router market (and I've known their routers to have piss-poor design faults) and go for either a DeWalt or a Trend.

Don't be put off by the fact that many people sneer at DeWalt for being the 'Specialized' of the power tool world – they make very good routers. And because DeWalt bought Elu which was at the time, the market leader in routers, DeWalt routers use tried and tested designs. Personally I would go for a Trend if the price difference isn't too great, but only because I like the company. I've never quite figured out how Trend have managed to copy the Elu designs – whether they have paid for the rights to use them, or whether DeWalt/Elu manufacture routers on behalf of Trend 😕

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BTW waynekerr, with reference to your smart-arse comment "Ernie may know better though" I'll remind you that it was you that contradicted and challenged me, and not the other way round – something which you have obviously conveniently 'forgotten'.

Now I am of course, more than happy that someone should challenge me and accuse me of talking 'absolute bollox'. But don't automatically assume that I won't repudiate any such claims – because it's always possible that it might … ok ? 8)

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I can't believe you can be bothered to research all this, it's not exactly off the top of your head like the comments I have made, I think you are one of these guys that just feel the need to prove themselves to be better, I reckon your either vertically challenged or have a very little dick.
If you have any sense, you should just shut up now & save yourself from appearing any more foolish than you have already, but….. I suspect you will feel the need to get the last word in.

I can't believe you can be bothered to research all this

Research what ?

That the Trend T10ELK is over 6kg ? …… that was on the link which you provided 😕

That a 1/4" router weighs half that of a 1/2" and is much easier use ? I knew that already …………. didn't you ? 😯

What exactly do you think I have 'researched' ? ……… because yes, it's all "off the top of my head" as you put it.

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And there's really no need for your touching concern about me looking 'foolish' …….. but thanks anyway 8)

And oh yeah ……. if you're 'yawning' and haven't got anything constructive to say – why don't you have a lie down instead of posting 💡

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BTW househusband, I forgot to mention that variable speed on router is imo, a waste of money and more of a hindrance than a help. You are unlikely to ever need it, specially if you use your router mostly on softwoods.

And you'll find it really quite irritating the fact that you constantly have to turn it back up to maximum revs because the "variable speed fairies" have somehow turned it down !

Also don't inadvertently buy a 110v router unless you really want one (I think waynekerr's link is to a 110v one)

Am glad that everyone is in agreement that a 1/4" router is safer than a 1/2" – and that the variable speed isn't needed.

Am drawn to a Trend as spares are so readily available; school I'm at actually has an ELU MOF96 router, as have most schools I've worked at, but it needs spares and the collet is jammed. Can get the basic Trend T4 for about £70, and that's all I'll probably ever need – the T5's start at about twice that.

Are the variable speed fairies the ones that constantly turn down the speed on my orbital (Metabo, don't you know…another fine tool manufacturer) sander? Have always wondered what exactly you would use the '1' setting for, given that it wouldn't sand butter. Do you know where these fairies live? Or does every one of us carry one around in the hand kit bag?

househusband – my ELU MOF96 is over 25 years old ! 😯

During that time I've only replaced one cracked fence (with a second hand one) and a switch – although the present switch is just starting to play up now. I believe that the extremely fine dust from MDF (which didn't exist when the router was designed) eventually penetrates into the switch casing.

But not bad eh ?….. considering all the abuse it's received over the years on building sites, what with rain, mud, blunt router cutters, being throw into tool bags, dropped, etc ……. good old German/Swiss engineering 8)

I've got no experience with the T4 or routers that size – I would worry that the 'narrowness' of them might make them a little less easy to control ? Although it's more powerful than my MOF96 which is only 750 watt ! Also might you have less choice of possible accessories than with the T5 or DeWalt equivalent ?

You should still be able to get spares for your school MOF96 – perhaps you could get the school to buy a new router and you could take it home to fix it for yourself ? ! Although I know that I can no longer get spares for my Elu planer though, which incidentally, is exactly the same age !

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Deadly …… sadly I have no idea where the variable speed fairies hide – but the little buggers are always annoyingly playing with the dial on my router, as they do with the one on my jigsaw (although that one is actually useful) And no, I don't know why an orbital sander might need variable speed.

But neither do I know why my Henry, which already has a hole on the tube/handle which you can open up to reduce the amount of suction, should have a switch on the side of it to make the motor go half the speed – presumably it's there in case you want to spend twice as long vacuum cleaning ? 😯

Hehe, I was going to mention about the half speed switch on my Henry too. What's the point in that? One assumes that it's for the first few cleans of one's extra deep shag pile carpet.

Of course, if you're on day rate instead of price, you might want to hang the day out a bit towards the end.

Out of interest, when would you use low speed on your jigger? I only ever use mental speed, unless the VSFs have adjusted it for me of course.

when would you use low speed on your jigger?

Normally when cutting metal – orbital action switched off and low speed. Or, if ever I need to do short/slow precise cuts or/and want to avoid overheating. Hardly ever though.

Yeah I can see how occasionally you might want Henry to suck a little less, but that hole thingy (which annoyingly keeps opening up on it's own) on the hose/handle is surely more than enough ?

That **** hole…yeah! Forgot about that. Mine has a bit of plastic sleeve around the tube that somehow keeps managing to line up its hole with the hole in the tube. Wonder which fairies do that! They'd be the same fairies that keep switching the direction on my SDS drill just before I need to use it.

Drill arrived. What a piece of kit. Very, very light, but still 50nm torque. Li-ion battery is just a little bigger than a pack of cards. Just feels very good quality.

Dead chuffed.

If I get the winning bid at the property auction I am going to next week, I will be buying one of those too. And lots of other man toys 🙂

Unfortunately, price-wise, I couldn't justify it to myself otherwise – looks great value though.

Yep, it's amazing just how tiny Li-ion batteries are. And if 'lightness' is important to you, you did well not to get a combi drill – they add quite a lot of weight. Isn't it a nice feeling when you're chuffed with a purchase ? 8)

Ernie it is – thanks for your advice BTW.

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Who here will admit to trying a drill for 'size' in a DIY store (you know, pulling it like a gun, that kind of thing…)

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I've never done that mastiles_fanylion. But I used to have a habit of spinning my hammer before putting it back in the holster on my toolbelt. I don't do it anymore – partly because I really dislike wearing toolbelts/nail pouches.

I've fired nails across rooms by holding back the pressure safety catch on a Paslode gun before now, that's good fun ……. I just can't help it – it's the cowboy in me that does it 😯

I've never tried that with a Paslode. Must do it now. Do they stick in things? I have, however, fired a paslode nail between the flesh and nail on my thumb. Concentrating on squeezing the external mitre together too much and didn't realise I'd angled the paslode outwards. I screamed with the shock! Didn't actually hurt the much afterwards…those paslodes are nice and clean.

Do they stick in things?

Well I suppose they would if you were standing close enough – although you would seriously risk the nail ricochetting back into your eyes.

BTW, firing a Paslode by holding back the pressure safety catch is highly dangerous.
And it isn't big or clever to do so ……………………………..actually it is ……

I've only done it with a 1st fix gun btw, I wouldn't fancy trying it with a 2sd fix gun – they're a bit too small and fiddly.

Actually I did once fire a 2sd fix brad nail straight through my thumb because it got deflected by a knot. Although it wasn't until I stuck a plaster on one hole to stop the bleeding, that I noticed I had another hole on the other side of the thumb where the nail had exited 😯

Yep……….. that's how tough I am 🙄

Crucifixion ? ………..pah, I'd take it in my stride 8)

Yeah, but my supplied safety specs are well used. No way are they still in the bag they came with, sat in the slot in the box!

When it comes to it, I'll make sure we use a 1st fix gun to nail you on. Any preference of timber for cross construction?

……… just what Jesus would have wanted

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