Weight loss – 5.2kg in one week!

Mol – when did you last compete in a mtb race?

I’ve decided to become all introspective and declare that it’s not fair! I’ve already got myself to a low bodyfat % and I’m still not as light as a TdF rider or top triathlete. I have nowhere to go, no belly to hide behind. I’m just a regular guy and now I’m depressed too.

I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.

Maybe you have to ask yourself how they got into that winning position? What did they give up?
You could do a lot worse than reading Allen Carr’s book The Easy Way in order to understand that giving up crap is not really giving up anything but starting on something new and better.
Instead of looking longingly at the people who beat you, do what they did to get there.
And if you’re not prepared to, stop complaining.
If you think it can’t be done, you’re wrong. My rowing weight was about 95kg and current weight is about 70kg. I still eat what I want and as much as I want.

I’m just a regular guy and now I’m depressed too.

Have a biscuit, you’ll feel better. 😉

Maybe you have to ask yourself how they got into that winning position? What did they give up?

i’m guessing, on top of everything else…. TIME. Molly you’re a dad, would you rather spend your time with your daughter or training to get on a podium? you made the choice to become a father, by the sounds of it you’re a good dad, build a podium in the living room and your daughter can put you on it as #1 dad 🙂

*now thats a disney moment*

I don’t beat myself up that much in reality.

Hopefully not

Just get on with doing things you need to do and like to do. family, work etc. and let the weight thing take care of itself if it’s going to.
I obviously just get to see your online persona so it could all be a front but you seem to be in serious risk of destroying today in the hope of something better tomorrow, you will never reach that [unobtainable] goal as you’ll constantly move the finish line.
Goals are good but they need to be attainable, yours at the moment clearly aren’t so you need to re-evaluate them down.

I still eat what I want and as much as I want.

So.. lucky you eh? 🙂

Not really, just clear on what I want or more importantly what I don’t want. It’s easy. 😉

‘Want’ is an interesting term when it comes to food and fatties.

I eat as much as I ‘want’. It roughly equates to the amount of food that I need to cover the energy I burn on a daily basis.

I guess that Molly ‘wants’ to eat more than he burns.

So why would that be?

Because otherwise you would be on the same side of the fence as Don and me.

Plus in the past you’ve argued how you want to eat chocolate bars, you want to drink coke, you want to eat cheesecake…

Plus in the past you’ve argued how you want to eat chocolate bars, you want to drink coke, you want to eat cheesecake

I do, yes. But why?

Because you have no self control and you don’t really want to lose weight or do all these other things.
I think there’s an element of fear going on here too. You’ve set a goal, let’s say for a race, and are a bit scared of not getting it.
Yes it’s been edited as I can’t multitask 😳

Double post.

Because you have no self control

If I ate them it’d be no self control. Wanting them is innate.

That goes back to having a read of Allen Carr to understand these things. You want because you tell yourself you want. Train yourself not to want cheesecake and to want something else, something better, something more beneficial.
When I stopped smoking, I put a cigarette out and that was it, no looking back, no withdrawal, no craving, no wanting, just knowing that life without was better than life with.
It’s still an element of controlling yourself and controlling what you think you need/want.
You have to want to lose weight more than you want cheesecake. Then there is no sacrifice, you’re simply doing something that you want.

You want because you tell yourself you want.

Hmm.

I read something interesting the other day that said your gut actually forms part of your nervous system and is much more complex than people had previously thought. So eating sugar is much like putting drugs directly into your brain – even more so than we originally thought.

The problem is, my body currently needs the carbs to do the riding and running. It may be because I’ve trained it that way over the years, or it might be innate to my particular body type, but as previously noted if I don’t eat the fast carbs I can’t ride for shite.

So I’m trying cutting out sugar altogether, and having some bread or rice, or some maltodextrin if I start to feel tired. I’ll let you know how it goes. Seemed to work well last week then I fell off the wagon again at the weekend.

I read something interesting the other day that said your gut actually forms part of your nervous system and is much more complex than people had previously thought. So eating sugar is much like putting drugs directly into your brain – even more so than we originally thought.

So you’ve found a story that supports your argument.

The problem is, I believe that my body currently needs the carbs to do the riding and running. It may be because I’ve trained it that way over the years, or it might be innate to my particular body type, but as previously noted I believe that if I don’t eat the fast carbs I can’t ride for shite.

I think you’ve decided that it’s easier to fail and that you have the perfect excuse to justify the failure, the fact your body needs…

So I’m trying cutting out sugar altogether, and having some bread or rice, or some maltodextrin coffee if I start to feel tired. I’ll let you know how it goes. Seemed to work well last week then I fell off the wagon again at the weekend.

Don’t just try, frikkin’ do it.

So you’ve found a story that supports your argument.

No, I found a story that I read and told you about.

I think you’ve decided that it’s easier to fail and that you have the perfect excuse to justify the failure

If I ride a lot, my body definitely needs more carbs than can be supplied by eating beans and veg alone and the carb supplementation suggested in the iDiet. That’s been proven by me many times. Why, I do not know.

A page ago I was beating myself up, now you think I am making excuses? I’m working on a solution to my problem.

Don’t just try, frikkin’ do it.

Do what? Starve myself? iDiet? What? Eat less?

If I ride a lot, my body definitely needs more carbs than can be supplied by eating beans and veg alone and the carb supplementation suggested in the iDiet

What’s riding alot? I eat a lot of veg and beans (no fast carbs 😕 ) and can quite happily knock out regular 100km rides only being fuelled by bananas.

Do what? Starve myself? iDiet? What? Eat less?

Cut the sugar.
I guess you know what you’re doing though, you seem to have it all under control… 😐

Do what? Starve myself? iDiet? What? Eat less?

your the one that wants to loose weight…

Edit: FWIW I agree with don and yeti Mol, you’ve set yourself a pretty big target, and now your realising that it’s not as easy as you thought. Instaed of 75kg, why not 80kg?

Emsz do you think I’ve already tried eating less? Do you want me to explain what happened?

edited: sorry molly, probably uncalled for. But you know what? You’ve already decided that your special, that the rules that apply to everyone else don’t work for you, cool, whatever.

I think you need to chill, and give up “training” and just ride your bike for fun, and give losing weight a priority (’cause you can’t do both) keep to 1200 cal a day for a month (just have some balls!1) and see what happens?

If you want to get to your optimum weight then you either need to eat less or exercise more.

Try avoiding the sugar, but if you need the carbs then eat potatoes and/or brown rice.

Set yourself a training plan or something, then you’ll know what you’re doing, when and what to eat before and after.

I stopped eating sugar for about a week just to see if the idiet is all that. I must admit, I felt better for it (i think) but I enjoy eating shite food to much and I guess it pretty much ruins any social activity involving food or drink.

However, I guess if you want it badly then its worth doing? But is that not the start of an eating disorder – avoiding going out for beers or a pub dinner etc due to diet restrictions?

Good luck anyway.

I’ve not made any excuses. In fact I’ve been beating myself up, remember?

D’you think I’m thick or somethig? That it had not occurred to me to simply eat less?

I don’t want to drag this out but you pepole are driving me round the bend making me out to be some kind of cake scoffing fridge raiding simpleton in denial looking to blame someone else.. Jesus.

Good luck anyway

Thanks

Emsz do you think I’ve already tried eating less? Do you want me to explain what happened?

But not eating the right stuff apparently. I guess you’re filling your face with too much sugar and high GI stuff.
I thought you’d read and understood the principles of the idave diet.
I’m kind of confused and keep coming back to the excuse finding and completely agree with emsz on this aspect.

I thought you’d read and understood the principles of the idave diet.

Yep. Do you remember me going through my experiences on the idiet on here?

Molly see my edit.

personally the more you go on, the more I think you’ve decided already that you “can’t” loose weight, so there’s no point, so you may as well have cake. I think you can, you just want cake more than you want to loose weight. hence all the handbags. you need to fix your head, not your food.

I won’t say anymore.

I remember you trying to get fast carbs in at every opportunity as part of the training plan.
As an example I eat a vegatable omlette with chorizo for breakfast with 2X sagarless coffee, go for 100km ride eating 1 banana per hour followed by a lentil curry (or similar) and porridge or gram flour bread (or similar) for dinner. No fast carbs, no energy depletion and no desire for sugars.
Beyond that go and have a word with GP and do some blood test and see if there is a medical reason for this anomoly. 😛

Yep. Do you remember me going through my experiences on the idiet on here?

My mate did the idave diet for a couple of weeks, I think he started the original thread.

It didnt work for him, he lost weight no doubt, but ended up bonking walking up Coniston Old Man.

So not sustainable for some people, especially if you are doing alot of exercise perhaps?

You’ve already decided that your special, that the rules that apply to everyone else don’t work for you, cool, whatever

Why would it be so surprising if people’s bodies were different? Compare someone such as yourself (ie small and light) with say, Venus Williams.. you’re telling me there’s nothing different going on inside there?

We’re all different, and I’m definitely not the only one on here who has had to modify iDiet – some didn’t lose any weight at all. I’ve experimented a lot and discovered what effects different things have on me.

you’ve decided already that you “can’t” loose weight

Hah, I’m still fighting it, hence the above posts.

The only thing I was trying to show was that it’s different for different people, and that it’s easier for some to remain stick thin than others.

Anyway I’m still 8kg down from when I started, remember that.

Surely you’re just underheight for your weight like me.
I have very short legs and according to my wife it could well be because I was undernourished during a crtical phase of my childhood.I blame Thatcher the milk snatcher.
And as for winning an MTB race,well I’m just planning on living and riding longer than anyone else.Success is easier when you’re old,less competition and less peer pressure.

Anyway I’m still 8kg down from when I started, remember that.

Cool!

The only thing I was trying to show was that it’s different for different people, and that it’s easier for some to remain stick thin than others.

Indeed, them’s life’s breaks.
Just as some people aren’t best suited to the mental abstraction to be good at solving technical problems, others don’t seem so well adapted to weight loss.
No idea what the answer is. Well I know the simple one, but that’s not very useful 🙂

Just as some people aren’t best suited to the mental abstraction to be good at solving technical problems

No, they’re just stupid because they can’t be bothered.

😉

No, they’re just stupid because they can’t be bothered.

No, they’re probably stupid because they input the wrong data then blame the formula. 😉

emsz, did you really just suggest molly lives on 1200 calories a day? 🙄 What a perfect recipe for a month of misery, severely depleted muscle mass, ruined metabolism and eventual fat gain!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2171082/How-323lb-woman-overcame-overbearing-mother-drug-addict-dad-skinny-sisters-lose-half-body-weight.html%5D

my housemate plays rugby, he’s 180cm tall, and weighs maybe 90kg, he needs to loose at least 5kg to get on the first team (he’s been given a diet sheet, everything) he’s on 1500cal a day. He has regular breakfast, sandwich for lunch and a regular dinner, NO snacks and trains pretty hard twice a week….

Molly & the cookie jar all over again, for the four hundredth time.

emsz, did you really just suggest molly lives on 1200 calories a day?

Wouldn’t hurt anyone for a month – as emsz suggested
I wouldn’t do it though 😀

But it would hurt and screw up your metabolism!

But it would hurt and screw up your metabolism!

I don’t believe that

Serious question.
What would promote more fat storage?
1500 cals of high GI sugar rich foods
or 2500cals of low GI idavesque type foods.
My understanding being that the sugar promotes fat storage.