Weight loss – 5.2kg in one week!

I consider myself fat, yes. Not hugely so, but I’m not skinny.

Ultimately, the level of denial required to remain thin is much greater for some than others.

Ultimately, the level of denial required to remain thin is much greater for some than others.

huh? denial to remain thin? i is confuzed

There are people who don’t eat tons of crap and are still 10kg or more overweight.

Maybe they’re just eating tons of good stuff?

I put a lot of weight on over Winter [~20lbs] because I eat too much [good stuff] and move a lot less than I do at other times of the year.
This is a lifestyle choice for me, I enjoy relaxing for prolonged periods during the Winter, not sure why but we tend to spend every other Winter in Lanzarote so it’s not weather related I don’t think.
Anyway, I get back on the programme around March and I’m back to my fighting weight by June.

I consider myself fat, yes.

I consider that you eat shit.
It’s been discussed time and time again and you’ve even stated that you have difficulties sticking to the idave principles. It’s this divergance that’s the problem.

EDIT: In response to an edit, if you consider yourself of normal weight and have a normal and varied diet. What’s the problem?
I’m around 15% bf and would like to be less but don’t have the time at the moment to lose any more.

Molly.

Sorry, I didn’t realise that you think you’re fat. I’m sorry if anything I’ve said upset you, I’m talking about the really big massive beer bellies!!

You’re 86kg right? bet you’ve got really muscley legs and big shoulders right?

How much do you want to weigh, and how long do you want to take to loose what you want?

So a few biccies and a cake or two a week is all it takes to be considered to eat shit? Even if I eat no bread, spuds or any of that?

Holy cow, these thin people must be absolute gods then.

I’m talking about the really big massive beer bellies!!

Fair enough, but even then I know people who are quite fat and eat very little. I’m not a lard bucket but I do more exericse than most people who are skinnier than me. the point I am trying to make is that all our bodies are different, and just because it’s easy for you doesn’t mean it’s just as easy for someone else.

I’m 86kg, I should be about 75kg. It’s enough to make me feel disgusted with my body and with myself for not being better. But I already try harder than most people I know who are skinnier.

a cake or two a week? Molly I’m lucky if I have cake once a month!!

I don’t eat biscuits. Ever. Sorry.

Edit: It’s enough to make me feel disgusted with my body and with myself for not being better.

Ok, that’s a problem then, and I’m not going there. Sort out your head Molly, otherwise your just going to get more **** up

Good for you. You’ve proved you’re better than me at self denial.

What did you love that you had to give up to be so skinny?

I’m not a lard bucket but I do more exericse than most people who are skinnier than me. the point I am trying to make is that all our bodies are different, and just because it’s easy for you doesn’t mean it’s just as easy for someone else.

indeed.

I’m 86kg, I should be about 75kg. It’s enough to make me feel disgusted with my body and with myself for not being better. But I already try harder than most people I know who are skinnier.

that sounds like an eating disorder trying to break through! in contrast to the “i’m not a lard bucket” it sounds like you’re really struggling with your body image as well as physical weight/goals.

🙁

EDIT – ahh i think i get the ‘self denial’ thing now, do you mean it as in ‘denying oneself treats of the food variety’? If so then its time to decide if you want to be 85kg and not give up the stuff you love, or be 75kg and be a bit better and denying yourself treats…

Erm …I grew up!

I don’t eat food that’s for children, you know all the crisps and choccy bars and cake and biscuits…I’m not a child, same reason I don’t eat baby food or wear nappies, I’m not a baby.

If I want something sweet, I plan what I want and go home and make it…

Don Simon +1

Mol – I’d have to give you some tough love to get you to where you state you want to be. If you really fell disgusted, you need to try harder and stop hiding behind excuses!! Seriously now.

Regarding the ‘I know this person… I know that person…’ we know **** all about what goes on in peoples own homes, what they eat at night, even our closest colleagues… infact I bet most of us don’t even know what our partners truly eat on a daily basis.

Edit: Oh, and emsz +1

What did you love that you had to give up to be so skinny?

You see, for me – you’re looking at this the wrong way
if you can do it, eat less, don’t stress too much about the types of food etc.

infact I bet most of us don’t even know what our partners truly eat on a daily basis.

+1

unless you’re watching them 24hours a day, humans be humans and humans are sneaky sugar craving creatures that will hide their treats from the partner that’s trying to control their weight. its done with the best intentions but it really doesn’t take much to foster a ‘secret eating’ culture away from your partner.

its time to decide if you want to be 85kg and not give up the stuff you love, or be 75kg and be a bit better and denying yourself treats…

Obvious statement #1

Erm …I grew up!

So you are saying you don’t want those things any more? If so, that’s great for you. I do. Maybe I’m still a child, you can look down on me for that, but that’s what it is. I LOVE a latte and a cake. In a very profound way.

So to not have them is really very difficult.

There may be physiological reasons for this, but they almost certainly will not be accepted as valid by you lot.

Yeti – tough love – right.. except you’re not my Mum, so that doesn’t really make sense.

I do deny myself a lot. Not enough, apparently.

I’m not looking for sympathy or making excuses – just trying to explain how the world looks from the fat side. Because many of you don’t seem to have any idea or experience.

unless you’re watching them 24hours a day, humans be humans and humans are sneaky sugar craving creatures

Wait – so you’re saying we don’t know our partners? Or that people we think we know are in fact lying cheating weasels and we can’t trust what they say? Holy shit STW those are some new depths you are sinking to, really.

if you can do it, eat less, don’t stress too much about the types of food etc.

Obvious statement #2. Do you honestly think I hadn’t tried it? And do you think half starving myself caused stress or not?

I’m going to overlook emsz’s impication that I’m a baby or childish because I like sweet things.

Why doesn’t it make sense? You need treating harshly to help you in the long run… I fear I’d make you cry.

You’re not even fat really, are you? Bleating on about how it feels from the fat side… give me a break.

Also… don’t be such a fool that you think you know everything your wife does. I’m not saying she does… but people do cheat on each other. People do lie. People who are addicted to something can be deceptive. FFS we’re not just talking about you!

If I were you Molly, I’d just get on with things and forget about weight and diets – 86kg is hardly in the biffer league and it’s hardly likely to trouble you health wise

Life’s too short and all that

Well there’s the thing.

My dream is to do well at MTB races. Not easy when you weigh 15kg more than everyone else is it?

Why doesn’t it make sense? You need treating harshly to help you in the long run.

Because you are not my fat camp supervisor or my mum, you don’t cook for me, all you can effectively do is berate me.

Plus you’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think that everyone responds to the drill sargeant treatment.

I LOVE a latte and a cake cigarettes. In a very profound way.

So to not have them is really very difficult.

There may be physiological reasons for this, but they almost certainly will not be accepted as valid by you lot.

none of us are perfect Molly. Your not fat. I bet you don’t even have a belly!!

Edit: Do I want those sweet things, honestly? no. I last had stuff like that when I was about 14, after that I had some issues that were taking up a lot of my time, and when I had time again to think about them, I just walk past them, in the same way that I don’t want feel the need to put I dunno, ready meals or whiskey (yuck) in my basket.

none of us are perfect Molly

Glad we are making progress with this thread 🙂

People who are addicted to something can be deceptive. FFS we’re not just talking about you!

You’ve made this scenario in your head of the cheating fattie sneaking around at night helping themselves to food that no-one else in the house knows is there, and from what you say you seem to be implying that that happens all the time, and is the main reason there are still fat people who are seen to eat little, despite what people who’ve known them say.

That is a possibility, but there’s no reason to assume it happens in the majority of cases is ther?

Plus you’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think that everyone responds to the drill sargeant treatment.

Awww there there Molly have a cuddle.

You slim yet?

My dream is to do well at MTB races. Not easy when you weigh 15kg more than everyone else is it?

Find another dream
I dreamt of being a top flight motorcycle racer and had the talent to back it up
Sadly my dad didn’t have 2 ha’pennys to scratch his arse with so it didn’t happen

Find another dream

Some motivator you are. Not seen enough Disney movies?

All I want to do is win a Sport MTB race. Hardly out of the question for a fit cyclist is it?

Put it another way – drop it fattie, you’re shit, get used to it.

molly, saying i dont know what its like from the fat side is rubbish, this time last year i was 90kg, and i’ve been heavier in the past.

I LOVE a latte and a cake. In a very profound way.

So to not have them is really very difficult.

There may be physiological reasons for this, but they almost certainly will not be accepted as valid by you lot.

that LOVE is psychological, fuelled by the bodies physiological responses to sugar. i’m prety clued up on the physcological/emotional relationship with food thing.

Wait – so you’re saying we don’t know our partners? Or that people we think we know are in fact lying cheating weasels and we can’t trust what they say? Holy shit STW those are some new depths you are sinking to, really.

pretty much what i’m saying :)that’s a pretty extreme reaction to me suggesting that some people sneak food when they’re in a relationship with someone on a diet though…..

for the record i was known as ‘FatPhil’ in school, i was 85kg when i was 11. i’ve worked in eating disorder units, i’ve lost and gained weight like a yoyo over the years, i also know what its like from the fat side.

that LOVE is psychological, fuelled by the bodies physiological responses to sugar. i’m prety clued up on the physcological/emotional relationship with food thing.

So it goes away, does it?

that’s a pretty extreme reaction to me suggesting that some people sneak food when they’re in a relationship with someone on a diet though

Saying that ‘some people’ do it is not news, is it? Some people like to staple their bollocks to the table.

You lot seem to be creating this world of vice, deceit and denial to explain people being other than skinny, and then placing me in it.

So I am arguing because I think you are over-simplifiying, missing some real reasons for things, and also because you are implicating me personally as a non-skinny person.

All I want to do is win a Sport MTB race

Good Luck.

you are implicating me personally as a non-skinny person.

You’ve pretty much put yourself forward as the fat face of the overweight. A load of us have said you’re not even fat and now it sounds like you’re trying to back down from your stand point. Is this the Welsh Defence?

All I want to do is win a Sport MTB race.

just not badly enough compared to the others who are prepared to give up Latte and cake in order to chase their dreams.

Thats the Disney way, my lovely.

Put it another way – drop it fattie, you’re shit, get used to it.

Well, I’d dearly love to be able to compete with those stick insects on the big road climbs
At 6′ and 12st 8lbs – I have no chance, no point stressing about it.

I posted on the Life’s Mottos thread yesterday

“Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out”

I truly believe that and try to live by it

You lot seem to be creating this world of vice, deceit and denial to explain people being other than skinny, and then placing me in it.

i think you’re doing a pretty good job of putting yourself in it then assuming that was our intention, i’ve been talking from personal experience and the experiences of many of the people i’ve helped.

So it goes away, does it?

for some…. for a lot it doesnt, but the people who go on to take control of that relationship tend to be successful in losing weight, sometimes in a healthy way, sometimes in an eating disorder way. i’ve had the pleasure of working with many of the eating disorder people and some of your comments about how you view your body and the language you use to describe it is making me worry a little about you and your relationship with your body, a LOVE for treats isn’t anywhere near as unhealthy as finding your own body ‘disgusting’ in my opinion.

emsz – I’m loving your work on this thread. I’d offer to marry you if I wasn’t heterosexual.

get me pissed buy my some chips, tuck it between your legs and we’ll overlook it, ok hun?

Mind you, then you have tell your friends that the only **** you could get was a pity shag from a lezza…OK?

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Being slim does not necessarily equate with being healthy and as has been mentioned by several people, diets based around grain tend to play a large role in weight gain; there is a reason farmers feed cattle grain to fatten them up.

When carbohydrates (simple/complex, they are all sugars) are eaten the body releases insulin.

Once insulin has stored all the sugars it can as glycogen in the liver and muscles, sugars are then converted into fats in the form of Palmitic acid.

Palmitic acid is then stitched to a glycerol molecule and packaged up with protein and cholesterol (Very low density lipoprotein) and sent off around the body where it is used as fuel or stored.

ANYWAY, Palmitic acid decreases our sensitivity to Leptin; this is the hormone that tell you when you are full.

When the hypothalamus becomes Leptin resistant the satiety signal that is normally sensed from ingested food is lost.

Eventually, this diet based around complex carbs,leads to insulin resistance, which in turn causes the release of cortisol which releases more sugar and we have the perfect storm for developing type 2 diabetes.

A chronic inflammatory state also plays a big role in cardiovascular disease.

Rather than bickering about whether it can help lose weight it also worth reading about the health benefits as moving forwards diets based around protein and fat may well be the way forward.

In any biology textbook you will fined reference to essential amino acids and essential fatty acids, there is no such thing as an essential carbohydates; that is what neoglucogenesis is for, we can make our own sugars.

Just got out of several hours of back 2 back meetings to find my thread on 4 pages. I haven’t got time to read it now but has anyone actually answered my question or has this just turned into another diet discussion 🙄
Yes, I should have known better.

just not badly enough compared to the others who are prepared to give up Latte and cake in order to chase their dreams.

I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.

Re the body image. It’s because I’ve tried for so long to be skinnier and failed. That is why I hate it.

“Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out”

I agree. I should not be trying to be a good MTBer, I would have made a far better rugby player. It’s a bit hard to get anywhere in it aged 36 with next to no playing experience though.

In cycling terms I’d be better off doing track cycling. Anyone got a track bike I can have?

Any way, none of this is intended to make excuses or gain pity. I just have two points:

1) it is harder for some people than others
2) don’t assume everyone who struggles to lose 10kg is in denial about how much junk food they stuff in their gobs.

Molly – how about just doing these sports for fun? Being teh best you can be? If that’s first, great. If it’s last… so what?

At 36 and being a devoted family man (respect is due) you’re quite simply not going to be as good as you think you can be… without being more single minded and a fair bit more selfish.

IMO etc etc.

Molly – how about just doing these sports for fun? Being teh best you can be? If that’s first, great. If it’s last… so what?

Ask Bradley Wiggins.

😆 I did he said he’s never made excuses not to train or to eat chocolate… he also said he’s also a gifted athlete… not a delisuional computer programmer.

I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.

So it’s not fair? – so what?

I agree. I should not be trying to be a good MTBer, I would have made a far better rugby player. It’s a bit hard to get anywhere in it aged 36 with next to no playing experience though.

Of course you should be trying to be a good MTBer [if that’s what you want] just don’t beat yourself up to this extent if it doesn’t work out.

put it like this you saved about £4k in lightweight bike parts. maybe most weight weenies should try this diet as well before a £2k set of wheels.

I will bet good money that most of the people who beat me also enjoy a cake and a biccie now and again, and that they also eat bread and pasta.

I know!! but to beat them you will have to won’t you?!!?!!

God your worse than my brother!! LOL

I don’t beat myself up that much in reality. Clearly not enough.

So it’s not fair? – so what?

So nothing. See my two points above. This is just an example of point 1) , not a moan about my race results.