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Mriya Report are really pushing on with claiming a Russian surrender west of the Dneipr, god know how much, if any, truth is in that or if its just Ukrainian head messing.

which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…

Well theyre both a dab hand at gish galloping at the very least

Usual ‘unconfirmed’ caveat, but very significant if true.

This is a rather extraordinary claim that is being made today by the Ukrainians and some western intelligence–that Russia, in the midst of the Kharkiv collapse, has ceased sending reinforcements to its struggling army in Ukraine. https://t.co/DL91bbt03B

— Phillips P. OBrien (@PhillipsPOBrien) September 12, 2022

Sorry folks slight hijack.

She also reckons ‘chewk’ has been scripted by two different people, which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…

Tell her she is overpaid for the job she is doing for being unable to analyse accurately. LOL!

English is Not my 1st language and took me something to catch up to this level. I have seen some senior people from Europe who speak much poorer English than I do.

Get her to understand this: “Dunia in mempunyai berbelan kaum dan bangsa oleh itu sifat semua adalah lain, dunia ini bukan kamu saja.”

Also I am being me, honest, there is NO point in trying to trick, troll or pretend to be someone else.

I am way way over those days trying to be cool and I ain’t feeling inferior nor embarrassed with my language skills. LOL!

what on earth is going on with this thread

Usual ‘unconfirmed’ caveat, but very significant if true.

Just came here to post that

If Russia aren’t deploying any more troops then there could be a collapse in Russian lines all the way to Crimea!
And plenty more Ru troops surrendering

What is worrying is that Russia seems to be targeting more & more civilian infrastructure instead

What is worrying is that Russia seems to be targeting more & more civilian infrastructure instead

Easy to justify sadly, pushing the line that UKR troops are using it, therefore making it a legitimate military target.

Stop bloody bickering you children.

Jeez if the Kherson front falls that would be bonkers

Crimea suddenly looking very vulnerable

Initial contact with Russian forces near Kherson regarding surrender is discussed by Ukrainian head of the press center of the security and defense forces of the operational command south, Nataliya Humenyuk, in this clip from https://t.co/lveIji13sIhttps://t.co/uVzdtk6oYD https://t.co/MwoSlcs5wZ

— Michael Bond (@HelloMrBond) September 12, 2022

Mriya Report are really pushing on with claiming a Russian surrender west of the Dneipr, god know how much, if any, truth is in that or if its just Ukrainian head messing.

Can you imagine a great nation like Russia losing or being defeated to take terms from Ukraine?

Even if Putin is toppled do you think Russia as a nation will bow to Ukraine or the West?

The worst case scenario is when Russia is on the verge of total collapse and if they are I am going to prepare to find ways to survive starvation.

“My wife, who works in AI developing IT service desk bot type stuff, had a peek and reckons badly scripted bot, by someone who doesn’t have a great grasp of English language grammar and syntax 😂

She also reckons ‘chewk’ has been scripted by two different people, which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…”

She married you …..so her common sense and brains can be questioned

Can you imagine a great nation like Russia losing or being defeated to take terms from Ukraine?

Yes.  Yes I can.

She married you …..so her common sense and brains can be questioned

LOL! Ouch!

Okay, okay sorry folks … back to the war.

Yes. Yes I can.

I can’t.

Two reasons:

1. Russian collapse means central Asia would be distabilised and that is not good for their Islamic leaders and I suspect they will come to Russian aid.

2. Culturally they are very different from the West and by the time you stretch to Asia you will be threat to China and they would not allow that.

p/s: This one I don’t really know but some so called far east analysts “predicted” that Russia will lose most of their battles for sometime to come, but eventually will win the war i.e. the great war meaning right up to your door step (I can see this possibility if their pride and dignity are strong).

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Unconfirmed, but am now hearing that Ukraine has captured "more than one" Russian general.

— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) September 12, 2022

Neither is a bot. Chewkw is an opinionated guy who likes to play devil’s advocate. Often he isn’t necessarily saying that he supports the real politik views that he promotes, more that he wants people to see and understand differing viewpoints. For what it’s worth, some of those on here seem to take pleasure in constantly insulting and criticising him for the crime of seeing things differently.

Too Bloody Old works a solid 9-5 out of some grey building in St Petersburg. He’s not a bot and he’s certainly not a posh English man. Grammar, syntax, spelling are too mixed up. Even the rhythm of what he says doesn’t compute. However he’s not bad and if his boss is reading this, go easy on him, he’s tried hard. Even going so far as to start a thread about Swinley as cover. I suppose we should all be pleased that we’ve attracted attention from the ‘farm’.

In other news I recommend a look at the Al Jazeera website. Some really good analysis/features. Up to date too.

Rumours of surrender in Kherson are getting louder..

Culturally they are very different from the West and by the time you stretch to Asia you will be threat to China and they would not allow that.

how did we get from a hypothetical Russia being defeated by Ukraine on Ukrainian territory to ‘you’ (do you mean me, Ukraine, the West) moving to to Asia and threatening China?  That’s some leap and not what we were talking about.

You do shift the goal posts and flit from one concept to a radically different one which makes debating with you feel a bit random and chaotic, to say the least!

The two reasons Chewkw just gave are reasonable. Russia has borders to its South and East too, what happens on their western front will inevitably have and effect on its other fronts.

Also, the astonishing offensive in Kharliv has demonstrably changed the narrative in Russia.

Demands for Putin’s resignation are hitting his desk but regardless of wether those demands are coming from hawks or doves, both sides will have the reputation of Russia foremost in their minds.

It was defeat, not collapse of the state. Cant see anywhere Bloke said Russia as a state would implode.

^^^ Yep.

how did we get from a hypothetical Russia being defeated by Ukraine on Ukrainian territory to ‘you’ (do you mean me, Ukraine, the West) moving to to Asia and threatening China? That’s some leap and not what we were talking about.

You do shift the goal posts and flit from one concept to a radically different one which makes debating with you feel a bit random and chaotic, to say the least!

Okay, a quick “language” guide. In my part of the world when we speak “English” and when we use “You” it does not mean you as an individual specifically. It is just the way we speak or write. Therefore, NOT you as in ‘you’. In the current thread it is referring to the West/Nato/EU.

Well judging from some of the discussion here there seem to be imminent “collapse/defeat” of the Russian force or even the Putin. Now if Putin is gone there will be a vacuum to be filled (after their defeat) and with limited military capabilities left, they have to take terms from the victors. Meaning NATO/West will then install or use Russia as a puppet state to boarder China. That will be a threat.

I know I might be jumping around but somehow I really cannot see the evidence provided that convince me there is progression at all. Winning and losing battles is the norm in all wars.

As Sun Tze once said: There is always time to retreat.

“Neither is a bot. Chewkw is an opinionated guy who likes to play devil’s advocate. Often he isn’t necessarily saying that he supports the real politik views that he promotes, more that he wants people to see and understand differing viewpoints. For what it’s worth, some of those on here seem to take pleasure in constantly insulting and criticising him for the crime of seeing things differently.

Too Bloody Old works a solid 9-5 out of some grey building in St Petersburg. He’s not a bot and he’s certainly not a posh English man. Grammar, syntax, spelling are too mixed up. Even the rhythm of what he says doesn’t compute. However he’s not bad and if his boss is reading this, go easy on him, he’s tried hard. Even going so far as to start a thread about Swinley as cover. I suppose we should all be pleased that we’ve attracted attention from the ‘farm’.”

Amazing none of your friends realised you moved to top floor before you wrote a note

From the Guardian:

Liberated Kharkiv Oblast residents from Zaliznychne told the Washington Post that Russians dropped their weapons on the ground when they fled, with some jumping onto stolen bicycles , trying to pass for locals.

Animals, absolute animals – hanging would be too good for them…

I’m not sure about Islamic leaders coming to Russia’s aid

They are more likely to see it as an opportunity to exploit the chaos themselves

Meanwhile

Reports of clashes between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Azerbaijan has reportedly started intense artillery barrages against targets within Armenia. pic.twitter.com/4bWsO5R5XP

— Global: MilitaryInfo (@Global_Mil_Info) September 12, 2022

From what we’ve seen it’s pretty clear that the Ukrainian armed forces have taken the Russians by surprise. I don’t think that it’ll be enough to do for Putin’s leadership (yet), but the sheer speed of Ukraine’s forces retaking theit territory is something to behold.

#Kharkiv Update:

The #Russian Ministry of Defense’s September 11 briefing map confirmed that Russian forces are withdrawing from settlements around Kharkiv City, from northern Kharkiv Oblast, and settlements on the western bank of the #Oskil River. /1https://t.co/c0t0qKlltX pic.twitter.com/9xAHIKHTDn

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) September 12, 2022

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She also reckons ‘chewk’ has been scripted by two different people, which is why he appears to have a split personality with obviously different language skills…

Nah, it’s all chewkw, we’ve seen a few times that he can be perfectly coherent and comprehensible when he wants, it’s just that most of the time he doesn’t want.

I’m not sure about Islamic leaders coming to Russia’s aid

They are more likely to see it as an opportunity to exploit the chaos themselves

Countries in Central Asia are predominantly Islam even when their leaders do not behave like a true Muslim, they run the country like a “kingdom” at will. With the West (NATO as vehicle) emphasizing on democracy and human rights, that will have an effect on their power based and a threat to their “rights” to rule or their way of life. Putin is no threat to their leadership and support them. If Putin goes those leaders will be told to behave and they don’t enjoy that.

Reports of clashes between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Historically, the Turks (Ottoman) started the whole affairs there but never concluded it.

Amazing none of your friends realised you moved to top floor before you wrote a note

Yep – bot, bot, bot. Nonsensical nonsense.

I think our resident Russkie is in some way trying to insinuate that it is I (flings off cloak for the big reveal) who is the troll farm employee of the month and not him (or indeed her, I’m sure these places are big on equal opportunities). News to me, and indeed the missus..

It’s interesting how these guys trip up on the small details of language. The missing ‘the’ before top floor being a case in point.

That being the case, there’s no way I’m a Russian troll. Writing’s just too damn good, you see.. 😏

What’s stopping Putin from mobilising his army? Does anyone know?

Assuming we’re not being fed propaganda at the same level Russian citizens are, it seems putin doesn’t even have an army to mobilise.

^^ Other than going the full monty and actually declaring a war, I suspect you are spot on. All he can do is move the ever dwindling pawns around the board.

Still going to be a bloody rough winter for Ukraine. I don’t see Putin doing a U turn anytime soon. He doesn’t care how many (of either nationality) he sends to the meat grinder.

what on earth is going on with this thread

Just Putin apologists huffing copium. If you go back to the start of this thread back in February it was full of claims that Ukraine should just surrender because Russian victory was inevitable. Not they’re reduced to trying to distract from the reality that their boy is getting thrashed.

(From April): What comes after Putin?

It wasn’t too long ago that Putin’s succession was the stuff of whimsy.

Putin has a new opposition, the ultra-nationalists.

The really weird thing with the “how can we stop this war?” lefties in the West is that they completely dismiss Ukrainian agency in it all. Do they really think that Ukrainians will just accept a deal that they have no part in negotiating?

Of the many bad takes from early in the war, the weirdest was the idea that Putin 'must' achieve this, 'has' to win that, or (most moronically) 'cant' allow himself to lose. The Ukrainians have reminded the world that though one side starts a war, the other can determine its end.

— Phillips P. OBrien (@PhillipsPOBrien) September 12, 2022

Not they’re reduced to trying to distract from the reality that their boy is getting thrashed.

Obvious typo, defo a bot.

Anyway, on the subject of propaganda. Has anyone figured out the surrender/no more troops claims yet.

I mean, theyre both plausible, but also both plausible to be played on by Ukraine to demoralise.

who likes to play devil’s advocate

Sort of, if it was just that then fine. But there’s a lot of wild distraction nonsense thrown in. Theres a lot of coincidence with messaging and timing from decidedly unambiguous outlets too which does not help.

The really weird thing with the “how can we stop this war?” lefties in the West is that they completely dismiss Ukrainian agency in it all. Do they really think that Ukrainians will just accept a deal that they have no part in negotiating?

Good point. Its not necessarily lefties tho and if the west stops supplying weapons the equation changes but I dont see Ukraine accepting losing territory even tho the current Ukrainian borders are a recent construct

Assuming we’re not being fed propaganda at the same level Russian citizens are, it seems putin doesn’t even have an army to mobilise

According to a few of those (seemingly more reliable/informed) Twitterati, there’s two reasons even if he did call out full scale war it wouldn’t work.

1. There’s seemingly open revolt among troops being asked to go to front line, and rumours of thousands starting to surrender or run away. What are you going to do, just have your general shoot thousands of them?

2. There isn’t any kit left, there’s no supply of food / clothes / basics needed. And let’s not forget the overnight temperatures are dropping – in a couple of weeks the mud, cold and rain starts. Even if you had the bodies, you can’t get them there and even if you did, they will be stood in t-shirt and jeans.

1. Russian collapse means central Asia would be distabilised and that is not good for their Islamic leaders and I suspect they will come to Russian aid.

What do the ‘stans have to offer? I think that’s as likely as Syria coming to Russia’s aid, Assad is reliant on his Russian guests who aren’t showing any signs of wanting to leave for UKR

Rumours that putin has fled Moscow to his country retreat.

Putin believed to have cancelled meetings and fled Moscow for his Sochi mansion

Meanwhile it seems, sensing weakness, Azerbaijan seems to have escalated it’s beef with Armenia…

UPDATE: Intense fighting continues after Azerbaijan launches an attack on Armenia