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First thing in my Twitter Feed this morning....
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1594930173085765632


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 7:39 am
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I saw a documentary on BAE Radway last year where small arms ammo is made. The contract with the MOD includes a provision that they maintain the capacity to deliver double the contracted capacity on demand. Hopefully there are similar clauses for Brimstone, Starstreak etc.


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 9:19 am
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The Russian soldiers being dumped and burned in landfill by their own forces (if true) just goes to show that if they cannot even respect or at least give a slight **** about them, they must treat the Ukraine population with absolute hatred.


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 10:14 am
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Wooksterbo Julia Davis is a good follow on Twitter. She captions a Russian talkshow and its staggering the rhetoric they spew out.


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 11:10 am
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Reports that the UA have confirmed operations on the Kinburn Peninsula (if that’s the right name). No word yet of success or otherwise. Lots of fighting in the East around Svatove. Hopefully UA can breakthrough because if they take Svatove they severely compromise supply lines into Luhansk and Donetsk


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 3:31 pm
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I've become mesmerised and horrified by the genocidal and bat shit crazy talking heads on the Russian talk shows.  It's great though when every now and then, there is a moment of sanity. When some courageous panelist goes against the flow. Solovyov the host of this, is a despicable excuse for a human being, it's great to see the Israeli guy on here really put him in his place - around 2.35 in to this clip. Solovyov has a proper Kevin the teenager huff at the end 😂

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1594529208650317824?s=20&t=SCnuqpsLOmo3lsLng4SB1g


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 6:44 pm
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Russian ambassador to the UK
on tv now.
Delusional


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 10:58 pm
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Yes watching it now. He's a stooge who's probably too scared/brainwashed to challenge the Putin narrative.


 
Posted : 22/11/2022 11:02 pm
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bat shit crazy talking heads on the Russian talk shows.

Are they not all stooges talking to prepare the audience for what's coming?


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 12:59 am
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Ukraine's EU and NATO memberships aren't getting any nearer.
The choice of scarf by Hungary's PM Victor Orban at a Hungary v Greece football match caused a diplomatic row at the weekend because the scarf depicted a former Hungarian border that includes parts of Ukraine, amongst other countries. The Hungarian Ambassador has been summonsed by Kyiv
Trouble has never been far away following the break up of the Soviet Union (SU) because many countries have sizeable minorities from other former-SU countries.
Laws around the primacy of the Ukrainian language have upset Hungary, which has close ties to populations in Ukraine, and could cause accession problems to both the EU and NATO

Hungary agreed to confirm NATO membership of Finland and Sweden last week, but it still needs to be voted on by their parliament.
Turkiye is likely to agree to Finland joining NATO, but Sweden with a greater Kurdish minority population is more problematic for them


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 7:38 am
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Orban, IMHO, is a Russian asset. I hope the planned multi billion € grant to Hungary isn't going to be shuffled sideways to the Kremlin.


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 8:21 am
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Yes, the Turkey question is a difficult one. They already agreed to it (based on us here having t make changes to how we refer to Kurdish parties) and are seeming to change positions as time goes on, looking to get more concessions now that we have a government that is potentially more desperate and/or more willing to make concessions.

Basically blackmail. Because they can and no one can or will stop them.


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 8:28 am
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Reports that the UA have confirmed operations on the Kinburn Peninsula

Yes Institute for the Study of War are now reporting it so it appears to be real.

"Ukrainian Center for Strategic Communications and Information Security also reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing to carry out unspecified operations on the Kinburn Spit, but specified that Russian forces are still holding positions at the spit".

Note that the "spit" is a very small part of the "peninsula". My guess is that apart from trying to control access to their ports Ukraine are applying a bit of pressure to the Western flank of Russian defensive lines along the Dnipro making it difficult for them to move reinforcements Eastward towards Zaporizhzia which seems to be widely touted as the location for the next Ukraine offensive. Of course that means Ukraine will do something else.


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 11:35 am
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Are they not all stooges talking to prepare the audience for what’s coming?

That being ?.


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 3:32 pm
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Defeat


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 5:39 pm
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It took me a while...... EDIT:2nd tweet

https://twitter.com/RickyRonaldinho/status/1594620995268231170?s=20&t=aYYso8QdrJKvzr_h3u_axA


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 6:35 pm
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It took me a while…… EDIT:2nd tweet

I saw that and didn't clock that it was a parody account for a while! 😂 Too close to the truth.


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 6:57 pm
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Does anyone know if Solovyov is considered a serious journalist in Russia or is he just a shock jock?


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 7:17 pm
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Further down the parody tweet it shows CNN Portugal broadcasting it as real news


 
Posted : 23/11/2022 7:23 pm
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Yes, the Turkey question is a difficult one

They've been key in alleviating the grain crisis and no doubt other less well-known interventions.
They're being courted by both Russia and the west and there's no doubt that they've been tremendously valuable to Ukraine in this war.
Russia has seen an opportunity to chip away at their relationship with the west by offering direct flights to Northern Cyprus, originally timed to the anniversary of the declaration of independence by the north earlier this month.
Turkiye bought Russia's S400 missile system, because the US refused to sell them a system in 2017, and announced a couple of days ago that it was ready for action.
Maybe having seen Russian tech performance they can get a refund, or send them to Ukraine and get a NATO-compatible system from the US in the light of their contributions


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 7:27 am
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Turkiye bought Russia’s S400 missile system, because the US refused to sell them a system in 2017...

My error, correction, "because the US refused to transfer sensitive technology with the Patriot system"


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 7:56 am
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Turkey has also blocked access through the Bosporous. Supplied Byraktors.


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 8:27 am
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At 50:02 – “in all of Putin’s public statements during the months leading up to the war, there is not a scintilla of evidence that he was contemplating conquering Ukraine and making it part of Russia”.

No, because he was actually considering Japan as a target, justifying it through the simmering issue of a chain of islands that the both claim, neither has signed a peace agreement ending WW2 aggression, and Japan not fully de-militarised itself. Russia was going to use the Nazi excuse, based on Japanese behaviour during WW2.

I’ll see if I can find the article I read earlier. Yeah, here:

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133?utm_source=Flipboard&utm_medium=App&utm_campaign=Partnerships


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 7:41 pm
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if they cannot even respect or at least give a slight **** about them, they must treat the Ukraine population with absolute hatred.

Of course they do, the Russian government doesn’t consider Ukrainians as human, so justifying their behaviour against the civilian population.


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 8:03 pm
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Does anyone know if Solovyov is considered a serious journalist in Russia or is he just a shock jock?

Schlock jock?


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 8:33 pm
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No, because he was actually considering Japan as a target, justifying it through the simmering issue of a chain of islands that the both claim...

In the spring of 2021 there was a build up of Russian troops on the Crimea and Russian border with Ukraine which caused concerns of an invasion https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSKBN2BV2Z3
A few months later numbers fell, but began to rise again in October and by November Russia was vigorously denying that an invasion of Ukraine was planned https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/russian-rhetoric-ahead-of-attack-against-ukraine-deny-deflect-mislead/
The fall in numbers in the summer on the Ukrainian border works with plans for conflict with Japan, but...
Either way, Russia issued denials but there was evidence in the form of military movements that something serious was afoot for Ukraine for almost a year before the invasion


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 10:07 pm
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Either way, Russia issued denials

Yeah, it’s their default response, but everyone knows they’re lying, their lips are moving.


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 10:18 pm
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I'd not even heard a rumour about Russia contemplating a limited conflict with Japan.

In normal times it would sound like madness but in light of recent events, pretty plausible.


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 10:21 pm
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No, because he was actually considering Japan as a target, justifying it through the simmering issue of a chain of islands that the both claim, neither has signed a peace agreement ending WW2 aggression, and Japan not fully de-militarised itself. Russia was going to use the Nazi excuse, based on Japanese behaviour during WW2.

Japan has a fairly powerful military and a defense treaty with the U.S. Attacking Japan would be just as suicidal as attacking a NATO country. Russia did not have plans to attack Japan, they started preparations to invade Ukraine pretty much as soon as Biden was inaugurated. It took a year to ship all the equipment from the east to the west.


 
Posted : 24/11/2022 10:34 pm
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President Putin continues to have problems at home and his authority through the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) has been challenged by PM Nikol Pashinyan of Armenia.
PM Pashinyan wouldn't sign a draft declaration at the CSTO summit because Armenia has been in conflict with Azerbaijan and has been losing territory while Russia isn't acting.
Azerbaijan isn't a CSTO member but does have a military co-operation agreement with Turkey


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 7:28 am
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Whats the point of the CSTO if no one comes to your aid...

Well, beyond keeping Russia onside for not invading you.

Speaking of which https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/16/kazakhstan-russia-ukraine-war/

Opinion Piece of Kazakhstan trying to edge away from Moscow, be interested to see if anyone has any other sources on this.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 7:54 am
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ignore


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:20 am
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Hungary will ratify Sweden and Finland joining NATO


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:28 am
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Hungary will ratify Sweden and Finland joining NATO

deferred to 2023 I think...


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 12:57 pm
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See several weird & grim videos of Ukranian drones dropping grenades on Russian troops curled up in shallow dugouts, the russians appear to be barely conscious; hypothermia, drunk ? and hardly react at all when the grenade drops on them

It appears that conscripts are being just left to sleep in the open with no bedding, let alone proper bunkers or even tents


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 1:56 pm
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I didn't watch the video, but the header of the one in my newsfeed said wounded.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 2:23 pm
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Most of those vids are Bakhmut, where prisoner conscripts are just sent out as utter cannon fodder. They all then just try to hide in holes/ditches. What a waste of life for one mans ego.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 4:03 pm
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Ukraine has been using drones to drop bombs on trenches since the start of the war, with video footage - how are these different?


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 4:35 pm
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There's a Twitter thread about it I won't link to, as it contains the video. It says they are conscripts who've spent night after night out in these shallow trenches, huddled together for warmth because they are wet through and freezing without proper kit.  Some or all of them are probably in the advanced stages of hypothermia. Hence their sluggish or non existent reactions. It further speculates (credibly IMO) that they can't leave their positions because they'll be shot by their own side. Utterly, utterly grim.  I understand why the Ukrainians are attacking them, but the poor sods on the recieving end are victims of Putin too. Awful 😟


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 4:41 pm
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Grim 😖


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 5:15 pm
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Indeed it is extremely grim. Everyone suffering in this war are doing so because of the whims of an ageing, corrupt dictator.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 10:02 pm
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r/dronedorc on reddit

Plenty of vids where the Russians get bombed.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 10:43 pm
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r/dronedorc on reddit

Plenty of vids where the Russians get bombed.

I'll pass on that. I did open a couple that appeared in my Twitter feed early on in the war. I don't deliberately open them any more, unless there's evidence it's going to show a new tactic or piece of kit with strategic significance.

I'm not going to learn anything new, from watching yet another DJI drone drop a grenade or mortar bomb on an occupied fire trench. Plus, I don't want to become desensitised to what's actually happening. These are effectively snuff movies.

Stumbling across the odd clip in general war coverage is one thing, going looking for them is something else IMO.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 11:47 pm
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/26/world/europe/nato-weapons-shortage-ukraine.html

To shell Russian positions at Snake Island, for instance, the Ukrainians put Caesars, with a 40-kilometer range, on barges and towed them out 10 kilometers to hit the island, which was 50 kilometers away, astonishing the French.

You wot mate (supposedly bllx)

Link in image, NYT article focused on supply challenges


 
Posted : 26/11/2022 6:16 pm
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Hmmm. I read that it was the Ukrainian-developed Bohdana howitzer, which have 50km range
Maybe Bohdana is Ukrainian for barge 🙂


 
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To shell Russian positions at Snake Island, for instance, the Ukrainians put Caesars, with a 40-kilometer range, on barges and towed them out 10 kilometers to hit the island, which was 50 kilometers away, astonishing the French..

Which was nice


 
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There's a video in this article https://myukraineis.org/news/the_ukrainian_armed_forces_showed_how_the_bohdana_self_propelled_gun_fired_at_the_russian_occupiers_on_snake_island-692.html
The CAESAR is similar (CA is camion abbreviated). The only barge I'd want that firing from would be shaded by a large oak tree


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 6:58 am
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Article from Reuters about Georgia's concerns and Russia's actions on the border that could also afflict Ukrainians during a future "peace".
Residents need to wear GPS trackers to discount Russian accusations and kidnappings. They fear that "Russia will seek to take more territory or formally annex the breakaway region, following Moscow’s moves to incorporate parts of eastern and southern Ukraine into the Russian federation."
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-georgia-border/


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 7:17 am
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I understand why the Ukrainians are attacking them, but the poor sods on the recieving end are victims of Putin too. Awful

I asked this question at the time that conscription was announced and it became clear that unequipped, untrained kids were just being rounded up and sent out to die. Of course the blame lies squarely with the guy that is ordering it, but is there any point where the UAF has to say 'Nah, this is just fish in a barrel'. They're killing conscripts that essentially carry no real threat to them any longer.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 10:13 am
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They’re killing conscripts that essentially carry no real threat to them any longer.

Maybe the unpleasant truth is that they need to kill all the conscripts before the real soldiers will be forced to fight? This is a hideous war, but maybe I am naive and in fact this is what all wars are like.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 11:04 am
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They’re killing conscripts that essentially carry no real threat to them any longer at that point.

They might be retrained and sent back off. And for anything to happen in Russia to change the political mood, they need to feel pain in the population. Blame the bloke who started it


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 11:18 am
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They’re killing conscripts that essentially carry no real threat to them any longer.

Most of the soldiers who've died in wars over the centuries have been conscripts. The Russian conscripts are soldiers in uniform in a combat zone. They are legitimate targets unless they have surrendered.

After that stunt the Russian soldier pulled last week, when he opened fire on Ukrainian soldiers trying to accept a Russian surrender, I doubt that the Ukrainians will be taking any chances about "essentially carry no real threat." If they're wearing a Russian uniform and aren't waving a white flag, they are a target.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 12:01 pm
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Leaflets dropped by drones with essential phrases in Ukrainian.
" please don't shoot"
"I am surrendering"
" I am unarmed"

Or in English, as that appears to be the second language in the field as there are alot of Canadian, and other English speakers fighting unde ukr control

I have watched a few of those vids, my first thought was drugs or alcohol caused the lack of reaction to the bombs. Or they are so cold and hungry that being killed is actually a way out and their family might get a payout. But they are a tough watch


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 1:06 pm
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I have watched a few of those vids, my first thought was drugs or alcohol caused the lack of reaction to the bombs.

Hypothermia seems plausible, probably exaggerated by alcohol

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1596142055306063873


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 1:11 pm
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After that stunt the Russian soldier pulled last week, when he opened fire on Ukrainian soldiers trying to accept a Russian surrender,

I've yet to see any definitive proof of that and despite you claiming there was footage, the footage I posted showed nothing.


 
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The video I saw had Russian troops surrendering in an orderly fashion until one came out with a gun an opened fire.

There was shot of the Ukrainians, including some covering the surrender, and a number of Russians exiting a building and lying down in front of the Ukrainians. After a short while the guy in what appeared to be a black uniform exited cover holding what appeared to be a gun, then gunfire/barrel smoke (from the guy in the black uniform) and the camera man falls to the ground.


 
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If anyone wants a different take on proceedings there this

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/11/25/it-seems-russia-wont-require-a-winter-offensive-to-win-the-war/

Who also cites this website, which appears to have travelled in time from 2003

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

I know very little about both, but Roberts seems to be circulating on Telegram, so normally would end up posted anyway in the next couple of days.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 2:39 pm
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At least it is being investigated.

Just because the Ukrainians are fighting for the good doesn't mean they are holier than holy. The Ukrainian's opened fire, and even if it was to defend against this lone Russian, there was certainly no reason to kill the Russians lying unarmed and defenseless on the ground.

I think the problem is the missing segments from the original video.


 
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If anyone wants a different take on proceedings there this

That’s 5min I’ll never get back, don’t waste your time 👎


 
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The death of poorly trained and equipped conscripts is a tragedy but is one of Russia's own making.
Conscripts are a massive part of normal military life in the Russian Federation. They have a cadre of trained personnel who aren't expected to serve "abroad" during conscription and can be drafted in the event of mobilisation
The difference with the invasion of Ukraine is that conscripts have been involved from day one and mobilisation came later, by which time they needed more conscripts.
We know that they're now untrained and ill-equipped kids but they represent the RF and as such...
There is a theory that the untrained tranche will hold the frontline in a slow-moving winter war while more comprehensively trained conscripts will follow in the Spring for a new offensive. The reality is that conscripts are dying in huge numbers, partly because they don't have more experienced soldiers to learn even the basics from


 
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That’s 5min I’ll never get back, don’t waste your time 👎

He seems to think they’re still as capable as they was when he was working for the Reagan (I think) administration.


 
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The death of poorly trained and equipped conscripts is a tragedy but is one of Russia’s own making.
Conscripts are a massive part of normal military life in the Russian Federation. They have a cadre of trained personnel who aren’t expected to serve “abroad” during conscription and can be drafted in the event of mobilization
The difference with the invasion of Ukraine is that conscripts have been involved from day one and mobilization came later, by which time they needed more conscripts.
We know that they’re now untrained and ill-equipped kids but they represent the RF and as such…
There is a theory that the untrained tranche will hold the front line in a slow-moving winter war while more comprehensively trained conscripts will follow in the Spring for a new offensive. The reality is that conscripts are dying in huge numbers, partly because they don’t have more experienced soldiers to learn even the basics from.

This is very true, but we have to remember that Ukraine is also putting poorly trained soldiers into the field. They had a law from the start that men weren't allowed to leave with their families as refugees and had to stay and fight the aggressor.

We've seen plenty of vids early int he conflict, of pretty much locals manning the barricades as a militia force, unfortunately many of those have been killed.

I think for the US its a minimum of 10 weeks, and the UK it's 14 weeks training.

Although its nearly impossible to know casualty figures at this stage, it appears from more reputable sources the UN etc, that the Ukrainian death toll is about as high as Russia's.

And this conflict is far from over. We might end up with many hundreds of thousands dead on both sides.

What a waste of life.


 
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and the UK it’s 14 weeks training.

28 Weeks for Infantry in the UK. You'd then have any specialist training depending on unit (mounted/jumps/etc) afterwards, also maybe readiness workups as required depending on Brigade.


 
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If anyone wants a different take on proceedings there this

That’s 5min I’ll never get back, don’t waste your time

He gives away his stance in these comments:
"The Western whore media"
"The Western presstitutes"


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 6:26 pm
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Moon of Alabama is, and always has been, a very pro Russian site.


 
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Just because the Ukrainians are fighting for the good doesn’t mean they are holier than holy. The Ukrainian’s opened fire, and even if it was to defend against this lone Russian, there was certainly no reason to kill the Russians lying unarmed and defenseless on the ground.

The Russians were lying right in front of a Ukrainian machine gun. Another Russian opened fire on the Ukrainians. The machine gunner returned fire. All the Russians in front of the machine gun were killed. The Ukrainians had no way of knowing whether the Russians on the ground were part of the trap or not, having been fooled once, they had no obligation to put themselves at risk again.

Launching an attack under the pretense of surrender is a war crime. The fault in this case lies entirely with the Russians.


 
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After that stunt the Russian soldier pulled last week, when he opened fire on Ukrainian soldiers trying to accept a Russian surrender

Launching an attack under the pretense of surrender is a war crime. The fault in this case lies entirely with the Russians

AIUI this is uncorrobrated video. It was widely trumpeted by Russian media and Telegram channels
Why do you think that Russia would advertise an incident, open to interpretation, where fault lies entirely with the Russians?
If Russia shines a spotlight into a dark corner it's because they don't want you looking in the other corners.
By repeatedly returning to this you are perpetuating the Russian narrative, which IMHO is to avoid the public examination of their refusal to allow access to POWs and their apalling treatment of conscripts and POWS as reported by the UN.
Please let investigators investigate


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 7:49 am
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Why do you think that Russia would advertise an incident where fault lies entirely with the Russians?

Russia has been boasting of their war crimes right from the beginning. In the Russian narrative, Ukrainians are sub-human drug-addicted Nazis who deserve to be tortured and raped. Boasting about inflicting war crimes on Ukrainians boosts support among the militaristic groups in Russia. It makes no difference to them whether a Russian committed a war crime in this instance, they will reject any facts that don't suit them.


 
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SAAB and Boeing have been developing a hybrid rocket-bomb since 2019
It's now ready for production and is ideal for Ukraine in that it uses existing components that are well-stocked. The bomb has been in use since 2006 and is proven, as is the rocket motor, and it doesn't need a special launch platform. This will take a lot of supply pressure off western allies
150km range, capable of striking with incredible accuracy ("radius of a car tire (sic)") and a similar warhead weight to GMRLS (as used with HIMARS, etc) https://www.saab.com/products/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-glsdb
It hasn't been confirmed, but “We are imminently, shortly expecting contracts on that,” Saab president and CEO Micael Johansson https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/saab-expects-first-contract-soon-for-new-glsdb-artillery-weapon
SAAB has a strong military background with everything from aircraft to anti-tank weapons in their inventory


 
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"Nov 27 (Reuters) - Exports of Ukraine's grain will not reach 3 million tonnes in November as Russia tries to limit ship inspections at ports"
Inspections have dropped from 40 per day to around 8
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/ukraine-sees-less-than-3-mln-tonnes-grain-leaving-november-minister-2022-11-27/


 
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150km range, capable of striking with incredible accuracy (“radius of a car tire

So if I had one here in Cardiff, I could hit say, a specific wheely bin in Swindon.


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 8:22 am
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So if I had one here in Cardiff, I could hit say, a specific wheely bin in Swindon

Let it go man. Let it go.


 
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I could hit say, a specific wheely bin in Swindon

Yes, wheally. Don't bother opening the lid


 
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If the bomb component could be replaced by a basic container then I could see this being a great development for Evri.


 
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I could hit say, a specific wheely bin in Swindon

Please note there is a "Wheelie Free" zone behind the Nationwide... Trash Free Trails etc etc


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 9:07 am
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150km range is a game changer!


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 9:23 am
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150km range is a game changer!

It would make a big difference, but unless I've missed something, there's nothing to suggest Ukraine is getting that Saab/Boeing munition?  I hope they do, but seeing as there has been so much western resistance to Ukraine getting ATACAMS and other long range systems, I can see some blocks being put on that.  Hope I'm wrong.


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 11:05 am
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/28/ukraine-news-russia-war-live-citizens-flee-kherson-shelling/

This has been covered today in the Torygraph, so is hitting the MSM, which would indicate that there is some credibility to these claims


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 11:19 am
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Ooh, I'd not seen that.  Hope it happens.


 
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