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  • poly
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    Ironically English now must be a hot favourite for universal EU language because it’s no longer favouring any member state

    Colonial britain in action there – forgetting that english is an official (the main even!) language in Ireland, and that the Republic of Ireland is still in the EU!

    metaam
    Free Member

    I guess they could opt for Mongolian, thus ensuring no member state is favoured.

    ‘English’ is a push if you’ve ever worked with any regional infantry units…

    Ironically English now must be a hot favourite for universal EU language because it’s no longer favouring any member state 🙂

    ratherbeintobago
    Full Member

    Second biggest spender in NATO quite regularly during the Cold War.

    There’s a ‘but’ there. Throughout the cold war Germany had national service which is expensive for the capability it provides. A fully professional Bundeswehr with double the budget is a very different proposition.

    They used to have to salute regular troops which I found quite peculiar.

    Throughout the cold war Germany had national service which is expensive for the capability it provides.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Colonial britain in action there – forgetting that english is an official (the main even!) language in Ireland, and that the Republic of Ireland is still in the EU

    Not colonial, just forgetful!

    razorrazoo
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    I listened to this podcast whilst walking the dog this morning: Putin’s Rise to Power

    It’s a fairly brief background on how Putin came to power, and ends on the difficulty of his succession.  Was recorded in June 2020, so no real insight into the current situation in Ukraine, but very interesting all the same.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    I guess they could opt for Mongolian, thus ensuring no member state is favoured.

    Esperanto.

    timbog160
    Free Member

    Even the odious Lavrov is suggesting there may be room for some compromise. Totally agree re them being untrustworthy, but anything which can halt the senseless killing has to be a good thing (apart from surrender I mean)…

    thols2
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    Ironically English now must be a hot favourite for universal EU language because it’s no longer favouring any member state

    https://globalgraduates.com/articles/european-english-joke

    The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty’s Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as “Euro-English”.
    In the first year, “s” will replace the soft “c”. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard “c” will be dropped in favour of the “k”. This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.

    There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome “ph” will be replaced with “f”. This will make words like “fotograf” 20% shorter.

    In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent “e”s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.

    By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing “th” with “z” and “w” with “v”. During ze fifz year, ze unesesary “o” kan be dropd from vords kontaining “ou” and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

    After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!

    nickjb
    Free Member

    forgetting that english is an official (the main even!) language in Ireland

    Not quite. The constitution designates Irish as “the first official language”, although obviously it is the most spoken

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    To be fair, he did say “an” official…

    I’m sure something happened recently where Irish was designated an official EU language meaning there’s a whole new load of work for Irish graduates in Brussels, translating speech and written. Meaning you’re quite likely to hear Irish being spoken in amongst fluent speakers in Brussels as they now have a language in which they can converse without being “overheard”. 😀

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    Meaning you’re quite likely to hear Irish being spoken in amongst fluent speakers in Brussels as they now have a language in which they can converse without being “overheard”.

    It just means that the idiots who think they can discuss sensitive stuff in the open end up overplaying their hand

    molgrips
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    It just means that the idiots who think they can discuss sensitive stuff in the open end up overplaying their hand

    Yes, this happened to us in a Cardiff student bar. Sorry ladies, you aren’t the only Welsh speakers in Cardiff despite what you might think 😆

    richmtb
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60756993

    Some interesting analysis from John Simpson at the BBC discussing how the conflict might end.

    Now that a swift Russian victory is off the cards a negotiated settlement looks like the most likely out come. Putin can save face if Ukraine formally recognises Crimea and agrees to not to join NATO. Ukraine officially loses some territory but maintains its sovereignty and doesn’t get absorbed by Russia.

    onehundredthidiot
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    Can the oligarch’s impounded monies and good be used to rebuild Ukraine? I’m sure Vlad will reimburse them.
    I’ll lay bets that sanctions will be removed in less time than it takes the ink to dry.

    thols2
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    I love how the captured Russian vehicles always look like a bunch of homeless squatters have been living in them.

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    ^^
    A mattress on the tank as “Emotional Support Armour” – very good!

    This is the military that scared the west for decades due to its perceived ability to roll across the entirety of western europe within days?😐

    It’s pretty obvious that most of the money that Putin spend on “modernising” the military was creamed off along the way.

    Take away the nukes and oil and Russia is just a corrupt banana republic.

    ElShalimo
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    Take away the nukes and oil and Russia is just a corrupt banana republic.

    Take away the financial services sector, the libel laws and the London laundromat and the UK is just a corrupt banana republic.

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    ^^ Oh, I’m not disagreeing with you there!

    greyspoke
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    I love how the captured Russian vehicles always look like a bunch of homeless squatters have been living in them.

    The Mad Max look.

    matt_outandabout
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    I love how the captured Russian vehicles always look like a bunch of homeless squatters have been living in them.

    I suspect a couple of things:
    – during war a bin bag for rubbish is not a priority.
    – winning troops will search for any useful documents and weaponry, also making sure it’s safe to leave.
    – locals are apparently rather swift at looting these things, at very least nicking the fuel.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    I love how the captured Russian vehicles always look like a bunch of homeless squatters have been living in them.

    Well to me the important point about that photo would appear to be that they don’t look like military rations, it looks like they have looted a local supermarket.

    Bazz
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    I love how the captured Russian vehicles always look like a bunch of homeless squatters have been living in them.

    To be fair, I’ve seen just as bad in the back of a Saxon after 5 days on Salisbury plain.

    metaam
    Free Member

    @thols2

    Haha. Rumours that Canyon are also pushing for all vowels to be removed are unconfirmed.

    Poopscoop
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    Well to me the important point about that photo would appear to be that they don’t look like military rations, it looks like they have looted a local supermarket.

    One of the items Russia is alleged to have asked China for is MRE’s… Got to be embarrassing asking an ally for simple food stuffs to keep your troops from starving.

    doris5000
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    One of the items Russia is alleged to have asked China for is MRE’s… Got to be embarrassing asking an ally for simple food stuffs to keep your troops from starving.

    Yep

    Another example of the corruption that has hollowed out Russia. The military rations contract was awarded to Putin’s buddy. Who creamed off the money for himself. And the soldiers were paid so badly that they flogged some of the food off to local peasants.

    Russia is collapsing due to these clowns.

    Some Russian soldiers had rations that had expired in 2015. Most companies responsible for providing food to the Russian military are connected to Yevgeny Prigozhin — patron of PMC Wagner, the mercenary organization, and sponsor of the Internet Research Agency, accused of meddling in US elections. Prigozhin’s companies were accused by opposition leader Alexei Navalny of forming a cartel and gaming the state’s bidding system for defense orders, receiving contracts for several hundred million dollars. The quality of food and housing in the Russian military is reportedly worse than in its prisons, with unreasonably small meals and some carrying harmful Escherichia coli bacteria.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-military-corruption-quagmire/

    Poopscoop
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    Putin is losing the narrative at home too…

    Journalists/presenters quitting state TV and or leaving Russia entirely.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60763494

    nickc
    Full Member

    Take away the nukes and oil and Russia is just a corrupt banana republic.

    In 2014 I think, Sen John McCain called Russia; “Essentially a gas station run by the mafia, masquerading as a country”

    Vey encouraging signs that a peace agreement can be reached. Fantastic news

    mattyfez
    Full Member

    I hope this whole thing will now de-escalate. Russian army seems overstretched unless it’s a huge bluff.

    Here’s hoping.

    frankconway
    Free Member

    Vey encouraging signs that a peace agreement can be reached. Fantastic news

    Do you trust putin to keep his word?

    He wants to save face and present any agreement as a win – I think that means 4 main objectives:
    – russia to keep most territorial gains
    – russia not required pay reparations
    – Ukraine to drop it’s aspiration to join NATO
    – Ukraine to drop it’s aspiration to join EU

    I have no connection with Ukraine but I cannot see any of these being acceptable to Zelensky – with possible exception of no reparations.
    Despite reports to the contrary I’m not convinced Ukraine will drop their NATO wish.

    dantsw13
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    The answer will be some kind of conditional neutrality. No NATO, but Russia agrees to not invade, or NATO will help defend it. Obviously somebody cleverer than me will draft it!!

    Caher
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    Whilst still shooting people queuing for bread Putin is still demanding that Russia be treated as a great power. He’s a criminal just like Slobodan Milošević.

    BillMC
    Full Member

    Interesting background material from T Ali:

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n06/tariq-ali/before-the-war

    kelvin
    Full Member

    NATO made it clear a while back that Ukraine is not joining while Putin is still alive. The NATO membership has long been a red herring. Any peace deal will ultimately be about how small Ukraine will become, territory wise, if allowed to continue as a country at all. Russia will want Ukraine cut off from its ports, and for the RF to have a land bridge with Crimea. They will want Ukraine not just diminished in size, but cut off.

    avdave2
    Full Member

    At least the Russian infantry will be happy with the tank crews using mattresses. In the final assault on Berlin they were the additional armour, sat on the tanks to take the impact of Panzerfaust’s

    kelvin
    Full Member

    from T Ali

    Do you also think that Poland shouldn’t be in NATO? That even a United Germany should have been outside NATO? Where should the line have been drawn? In the Atlantic?

    BillMC
    Full Member

    You seem to think that NATO is a force for good. Personally I’m not a Blairite and don’t support all this bombing and killing.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Who are NATO bombing and killing?

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