UK Government Thread

Nothing in Cobyns manifesto was outside of mainstream European socil democratic policied

I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate

Taken in isolation it wasn’t particularly left wing, it was hardly socialism was it, but it still had to be treated as such by the people with power who don’t like that sort of thing.

he was committed to delivering brexit in a sensible way

Thats certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of events. After going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign, he magically reappeared on the morning of the result to demand that article 50 be triggered immediately, thus stressing his lifelong Brexiteer credentials that would make Farage feel inadequate.

There was never anything remotely ‘sensible’ about Magic Grandads. relationship with Europe.

Thats certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of events. After going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign

Your interpretation of events are quite “interesting” too.

If Corbyn was the election liability to the degree which was endlessly and tediously claim he was then you should be very grateful indeed that he supported Brexit/did bugger all, it must have put a lot of “gammons” off voting to leave.

Just imagine how big the vote to leave would have been if Corbyn had enthusiastically supported the EU.

As it is he screwed  Labour in 2019 by committing the party to a second referendum that voters very clearly did not want. Thanks to relentless pressure from his Brexit shadow minister Keir Starmer.

Jeremy Corbyn says ‘overwhelming case’ for staying in EU

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36430606

I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate

Far more damaging attacks from the right wing press,  which he didn’t have the nous to deal with.

Hard for many on here to accept, but Labour’s failure to get elected in recent years isn’t automatically the fault of the “other” wing of the party. Consistently crying that it was does not endear you to wavering voters.

Reading that manifesto now with the benefit of hindsight, it looks like exactly what the country needed at the time, certainly moreso than the charlatans we ended up with.

Absolutely. And it didn’t need hindsight. Which is why nearly everyone discussing this on here voted Labour in 2017. Speaking for myself, it was the first time I’d voted Labour at a general election, and I can pin point the moment my vote switched… it was when that manifesto was leaked early, and contained so much that seemed so obviously needed (to me anyway).

I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate

Might have looked that way in Scotland and London, but nearly everywhere else the mistrust of, and even hatred for, Corbyn was deep seated and based on his own past and continued willingness to back Russia and Iran so publicly, and nothing to do with what any other (mostly also unpopular and untrusted) Labour politicians were saying about him.

Corbyn rightly or wrongly was seen as a left wing loon by much of the electorate, that wasn’t the fault of the more moderate PLP members, Corbyn abjectly failed to address that. Up against an idiot like Johnson many more people, me included, voted for Corbyn. If he had been facing an even vaguely moderate or competant Tory government the defeat would have been a lot worse.