UK Government Thread

Nothing in Cobyns manifesto was outside of mainstream European socil democratic policied

I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate

Taken in isolation it wasn’t particularly left wing, it was hardly socialism was it, but it still had to be treated as such by the people with power who don’t like that sort of thing.

he was committed to delivering brexit in a sensible way

Thats certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of events. After going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign, he magically reappeared on the morning of the result to demand that article 50 be triggered immediately, thus stressing his lifelong Brexiteer credentials that would make Farage feel inadequate.

There was never anything remotely ‘sensible’ about Magic Grandads. relationship with Europe.

Thats certainly an ‘interesting’ interpretation of events. After going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign

Your interpretation of events are quite “interesting” too.

If Corbyn was the election liability to the degree which was endlessly and tediously claim he was then you should be very grateful indeed that he supported Brexit/did bugger all, it must have put a lot of “gammons” off voting to leave.

Just imagine how big the vote to leave would have been if Corbyn had enthusiastically supported the EU.

As it is he screwed  Labour in 2019 by committing the party to a second referendum that voters very clearly did not want. Thanks to relentless pressure from his Brexit shadow minister Keir Starmer.

Jeremy Corbyn says ‘overwhelming case’ for staying in EU

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36430606

I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate

Far more damaging attacks from the right wing press,  which he didn’t have the nous to deal with.

Hard for many on here to accept, but Labour’s failure to get elected in recent years isn’t automatically the fault of the “other” wing of the party. Consistently crying that it was does not endear you to wavering voters.

Reading that manifesto now with the benefit of hindsight, it looks like exactly what the country needed at the time, certainly moreso than the charlatans we ended up with.

Absolutely. And it didn’t need hindsight. Which is why nearly everyone discussing this on here voted Labour in 2017. Speaking for myself, it was the first time I’d voted Labour at a general election, and I can pin point the moment my vote switched… it was when that manifesto was leaked early, and contained so much that seemed so obviously needed (to me anyway).

I am sure he would have been pm if not for the constant attacks from the labour right even tho he was a poor candidate

Might have looked that way in Scotland and London, but nearly everywhere else the mistrust of, and even hatred for, Corbyn was deep seated and based on his own past and continued willingness to back Russia and Iran so publicly, and nothing to do with what any other (mostly also unpopular and untrusted) Labour politicians were saying about him.

Corbyn rightly or wrongly was seen as a left wing loon by much of the electorate, that wasn’t the fault of the more moderate PLP members, Corbyn abjectly failed to address that. Up against an idiot like Johnson many more people, me included, voted for Corbyn. If he had been facing an even vaguely moderate or competant Tory government the defeat would have been a lot worse.

Far more damaging attacks from the right wing press,  which he didn’t have the nous to deal with.

Which were amplified by the loons in the labour right who were happy to help out. Every **** attack the tories launched the right wingers helped out since they preferred a hard brexit than anything vaguely left wing.

As for nous. Lets see how the current glorious leader is handling it?

Hmmmm not well really is he? Although its good to see the right wingers have now suddenly decided that the right wing rags can be a problem.

binners
Full Member

After going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign

You know that’s not true, we know you know that’s not true. You can do better than this.

we know you know that’s not true

Really? He decided that having Dave front the remain campaign gave him the excuse he needed to absent himself from proceedings and he retired to the allotment for the duration until he popped back up, the result he wanted having been delivered, to demand article 50 be triggered immediately.

He’s a lifelong Brexiteer. During his career (such as it is) he voted against every single piece of EU integration. He’s a time serving, uselesss backbench idiot who should have never been anywhere near the Labour leadership, but his biggest crime, of many, was his lazy facilitating of Brexit

Hes as responsible for the idiocy of Brexit as Johnson, Farage  or Gove

He represented neither the views of his MPs or the Labour membership or Labour voters, merely his own

But then that’s what narcissists do. And on that score he’s as bad as Boris Johnson, with his own cult of Momentum sixth formers cheering him on

You know that’s not true, we know you know that’s not true. You can do better than this.

I distinctly remember it… radio silence all through the brexit debate, on the subject of brexit at least, other than some non-commital weasel words to keep people guessing, and then a 3 line whip at the 11th hour.

Corbyn yet again ?

But you’re spot on, Binners. He shares no small part of the responsibility.

But then that’s what narcissists do.

That comment surprised a little because I couldn’t recall ever hearing Jeremy Corbyn being described as a narcissist before. But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn’t been reading the right sort of newspapers, so I thought a quick Google might help.

And sure enough “Jeremy Corbyn narcissist” gets a result :

Jeremy Corbyn is accused of ‘narcissism’ after boasting that the coronavirus pandemic proved he was ‘absolutely right’ on public spending 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162311/Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-narcissism-boasting-coronavirus-pandemic.html

So there you have it, just like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump Jeremy Corbyn is also a narcissist……….because he claimed that he was right on public spending. I think we can safely put that little gem in the same category as “Jeremy Corbyn is a racist because he keeps condemning Israelis for murdering Palestinians”.

Btw binners since you are moaning about Corbyn’s alleged poor input during the 2015 Referendum campaign (apparently the outcome would have been different if Corbyn had used his famous powers of persuasion)  what exactly was your input like during the 2019 general election campaign?

I mean as a Labour Party member were you knocking on people’s doors and urging them to vote for a narcissist or did you just lie to them and tell them that you thought he would make a great PM, or maybe you stayed at home and just did bugger all waiting until the the election was over so that you could moan endlessly that Boris Johnson had won?

Union boss and media darling Mick Lynch also an ardent Brexiteer, he’s been strangely silence since.

But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn’t been reading the right sort of newspapers,

It was odd how reliably binners hilarious comments basically repeated the mails  attack lines against Corbyn. If ever I couldnt be arsed to look at the heils output I knew binners would summarise it for me.

Its also entertaining watching the labour right rant and rave about how Corbyn was invisible and then also ranting about how Farage is overrepresented. Possibly one day they might manage to join the dots but they might need a sixth former to help them out.

Speaking about the referendum campaign its odd how silent people are about how the official campaign helped out the brexiteers, doing their normal accuse others of their own faults, attack on the elite had as the campaign director Jack Straws son. Nowt wrong there.

But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn’t been reading the right sort of newspapers, so I thought a quick Google might help.

And sure enough “Jeremy Corbyn narcissist” gets a result

Yeah, because I get all my opinions from the Daily Mail. Or maybe I can spot a classic narcissist from miles away, even if it’s a tiny, parochial, pathetic form of it that only demands adulation from a small band of hopelessly naive sixth formers

I mean as a Labour Party member were you knocking on people’s doors and urging them to vote for a narcissist or did you just lie to them and tell them that you thought he would make a great PM, or maybe you stayed at home and just did bugger all waiting until the the election was over so that you could moan endlessly that Boris Johnson had won?

Do you know how this democracy lark works? We’re not in America, voting for a president. I went out and campaigned for my local Labour candidate James Frith to become the elected representative for my constituency. I’m grown up enough to separate that from the useless old goat who was allegedly the party leader, who never stood a cat in hells chance of becoming PM because…. well… he’s Jeremy Corbyn

I went out and campaigned for my local Labour candidate James Frith to become the elected representative for my constituency

And who would be the next Prime Minister was a complete non-issue in the 2019 general election? Wow that’s amazing! Which begs the question why were you so obsessed about Corbyn then?

 I can spot a classic narcissist from miles away, even if it’s a tiny, parochial, pathetic form of it that only demands adulation from a small band of hopelessly naive sixth formers

How terribly Daily Mail to put it like that. I reckon Richard Littlejohn would approve.

Ah yes. I often forget that in the view of the sixth form, everyone who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should have seen out the rest of his days as an anonymous timeserving backbencher, as that reflected his extremely limited abilities, is obviously just spouting what they’ve been spoon fed by the Daily Mail/Richard Littlejohn/Whatever

Life really isn’t very nuanced in the common room, is it? It must be nice when everything is so simple

Well I am just a simple soul binners,  which is why I’d like you to explain how as a Labour Party member you were making the case for a Labour government in 2019 but somehow, according to you, the leader of the Labour Party wasn’t an issue with the punters.

Because, you point out, “we’re not in America”.

It all sounds rather complicated…… this democracy lark.

Labour Party Member In ‘Campaigning For Labour ‘ Shocka!

Headache incoming for starmer with the arrest of Ivor Caplin, he was removed from the Labour Party last year for “things” and it appears he’s now been arrested for sending dick pics and Attempting to meet up with a 15yr old boy.

I won’t link to his twitter account as you’ll wish to claw your eyes out, I made the mistake of having a look.

Be a damn shame if he fell down some stairs…..repeatedly, or suffers a nasty injury to his groin with a circular saw. Think he was the ex chair of Jewish labour movement who were instrumental in stirring the shit and ousting Corbyn

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg45y4r0yngo

Anyone else get a full house when binners wrote “sixth form”?

Anyone else get a full house when binners wrote “sixth form”?

yep, but the (school) cap fits.

he was committed to delivering brexit in a sensible way

Being left-handed, I’ve decided I can halve the cost to me of gloves, by cutting off my right hand. I can see no issues with this policy at all.

Now, who can help me deliver it in a ‘sensible’ way?

Life really isn’t very nuanced in the common room, is it?

I don’t recall ever seeing much nuance or originality in your tedious little rants. And I find it telling that you have nothing to say about the current Dear Leader’s 180 degree pivot to hard Brexit. It is, I suppose consistent with his lack of belief generally.

Headache incoming for starmer with the arrest of Ivor Caplin

Given when he was in office I cant see it being a major issue.

Now Tulip Siddiq on the other hand. Having the anticorruption minister being accused of what she is being accused of is a tad awkward. Its not like it should be a surprise either, private eye reported on it several years back.

Yeah, Siddiq should be “stepping aside” while her current connections are looked into. It doesn’t mean she can’t come back, and Labour isn’t short of MPs who could step into the government role, surely?

I don’t recall ever seeing much nuance or originality in your tedious little rant

Binners is effectively a dictionary definition of projection.  I am sure he will demand the thread is shut down soon and redirected to a nice happy space for him to pat himself on his back about his intellectual superiority over everyone.

Intellectual superiority? Blimey, I certainly hope not. There are things at the bottom of my fridge that are brighter than me. 😀

I’m not actually sure Starmer could really have been in a better position now than he is. There was never going to be a magic pot of cash to be found, the country is a mess. The gammons are still lapping up the right wing rubbish, the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one (and have doubled down on attacking him, the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony), some unpopular but appropriate policies have been enacted (WFA and farmers IHT) and surprisingly little rebellion within such a large party except for a handful of fringe councillors and the odd discontent MP (what did happen to those who had the whip removed, did they just disappear into the sidelines where they should have stayed).

The gammons are still lapping up the right wing rubbish

I love that, 25% of people who voted Labour six months ago are telling pollsters that they are regret doing so but the problem is “gammons” 🙂

And love this too

the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one (and have doubled down on attacking him, the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony),

Yeah that is exactly it, the Left, along with gammons apparently, were expecting a miracle on day one, well spotted!

And now they are “doubling down”  on their attacks on poor ol’ Starmer…… endless rants about Starmer on this thread, which put binners incessant ranting about Corbyn 5 years after he ceased to be Labour leader to shame!

If there is one thing that Centrists cannot be accused of is lacking insincerity! 🙂

And now they are “doubling down” on their attacks on poor ol’ Starmer…… endless rants about Starmer on this thread, which put binners incessant ranting about Corbyn 5 years after he ceased to be Labour leader to shame!

Point of order @binners didn’t mention the ‘C’ word untill dazh mentioned it 2 days ago…before that, no one had mentioned the ‘C’ word on this thread for about 1 month prior to that and it was then mentioned by *checks notes* Rone, and you, Ernie.

Talk about sincerity!

😉

Fresh Blow For Keir Starmer As Labour’s Popularity Slumps To New Low

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fresh-blow-for-keir-starmer-as-labours-popularity-slumps-to-new-low_uk_677d3e22e4b0a25e19fca051

All these gammons and lefties don’t seem to be impressed :

Labour approval rating has slumped to its lowest ever level in a grim start to the New Year for Keir Starmer.

 

The YouGov survey showed that 63% of voters now disapprove of the government’s performance, compared to just 16% who approve.

 

That gives an overall approval rating of minus 47, down two points on the last poll at the end of December.

And try to get your head round this:

Separately, the poll also found that 40% of Labour voters disapprove of the government’s performance, compared to just 36% who approve.

40% of Labour voters disapprove of the government’s performance.

Very obviously it isn’t Starmer’s fault. But I just can’t remember who’s fault it is…… Jeremy Corbyn’s, Kemi Badenoch’s, Nigel Farage’s, Elon Musk’s, Donald Trump, a handful of lefties on stw?

 the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one

Bingo. Its fascinating how the “miracle on day one” replaced the “wait until after the election” and so forth.

Leaving aside the predictablity of bread tomorrow it also lacks that nuance that binner demands. People arent expecting a miracle today but what they are expecting is evidence of changes to be implemented to give us a chance of at least some of the issues the tories caused being fixed by the next GE.

the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony)

You seem confused about what irony means. For the right wingers to whine about the glorious leader being attacked is ironic.

For those on the left of labour to return the favour especially after Starmers purging of the nonbelievers in him isnt.

Farmer IHT is a good example of a halfarsed policy. Some good to it but if you read the experts opinion they should have started with rollover relief. Pretty much impossible to defend that when it comes to selling for development.

Point of order @binners didn’t mention the ‘C’ word untill dazh mentioned it 2 days ago

And ? What do you think that proves……. that Starmer is attacked on here more severely than binners avalanches of abuse against Corbyn ?

Its never me who brings up Magic Grandad, though I’m always accused of it.

Anyway… fascinating though this discussion of Comrade Corbyn is…..just to get back to the subject title, with it being a UK Governemnt thread and all that:

I was out for a few beers on Friday night with an old mate who’s a former cabinet minister (under Blair… boooooo hiss!) and is still very active and well connected in Westminster as a consultant*. After a few amusing anecdotes about Liz Truss – you’ll be unsurprised to hear that she really is as thick as she looks and is almost permenently pissed, as she mainlines Chardonnay all day – he came out with this statement:

“Do you know where we are at the moment mate? We’re in 1938, its just that most people don’t realise it yet.”

His take on it is that within the next year or so we’re going to realise how lucky we’ve been to live through such a prolonged period of (relative) peace, because it isn’t going to last for much longer. The government has red lights flashing up all over the dashboard which is taking up an awful lot of bandwidth. Hence Rachael Reeves going to China this week, despite the protestations of the Daily Mail. What the press (and us) are told gets discussed at these visits is only apparently a small part of what actually gets discussed. Theres an awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment.

In his opinion in 12 months time we’re certainly not going to be indulging in trivia like Elon Musks opinion of Jess Phillips. Theres going to be far more critical and pressing issues, internationally, for Starmer and co to deal with, and they know it.

An interesting take, given that he knows what really going on far more than most

* you can try and guess who it is if you like

“Do you know where we are at the moment mate? We’re in 1938, its just that most people don’t realise it yet.”

His take on it is that within the next year or so we’re going to realise how lucky we’ve been to live through such a prolonged period of (relative) peace, because it isn’t going to last for much longer.

So nothing like 1938 then.

Theres going to be far more critical and pressing issues, internationally, for Starmer and co to deal with, and they know it.

Care to elaborate? Or did your mate not want to tell you? Who are we going to war with?

I think binners might be busy fashioning his tin foil hat……it might be a nuclear war, and you can’t be too careful.

Anyway the ex cabinet minister might have shared it down the pub with an old mate but it is very clearly a huge secret. I mean have you read anything about it in any newspaper? Of course not!

Apparently the only people who know that something big is going to turn people’s lives upside down in 12 months time are the government, binners mate, binners himself, and now a bunch of geezers on a MTB forum.

Don’t let it leak to the press !

And remember…..

“Theres an awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment”

You heard it first here.

Its all very cryptic, isn’t it? It’s difficult to imagine any of the present little conflicts going on in the world massively escalating due to… oh I don’t know… an absolutely loon taking the reins of the worlds largest superpower in a weeks time

Everything will probably be fine though. Probably. Nothing for our government to worry their pretty little heads about