U.S. Presidential Election 2020

Can we do this separately to the Trump thread?

Anyone planning an all-nighter? I’ll try as late a one as I can, although it sounds like some of the states might not declare on the night.

Will Florida or Georgia go blue? Will Pennsylvania stay Red?

Will we even have a declared winner on the night?

fivethirtyeight.com now have Georgia as being pro Biden. Their simulations only have Trump at a 1 in 10 chance of winning.

I think I’ll wait until late on Wednesday until I’m sure.

Hopefully the new kangaroo Supreme Court won’t need to make a ruling.

Will we even have a declared winner on the night?

Yes. Trump will declare himself the winner for sure. Whether it’s through outright votes (unlikely, as above), Trump choosing to simply ignore postal votes (likely) or, failing that, calling the whole thing some sort of democrat scam. Will either of them concede victory on the night? Not a chance IMO.

Tempted to stay up and watch it as it could be one giant comedy show. Sadly I think it will go to the Supreme Court as Trump will declare himself the winner and pull every trick he can to stay in power.

If it wasn’t for the fact I was failing at Xmas Chub Club I’d be tempted to get a load of snacks and drinks and watch it all fall apart!

Not convinced we will have a final conclusive and (begrudgingly accepted) result until December. It’ll be a hanging chad farse all over again only with a shouty lying man being shouty on twitter from his presidential toilet.

Just typing ‘hanging chad’ makes me angry all over again. Old knackered voting machines in poor democrat voting areas with votes spuriously discounted with the republican candidate’s brother in charge of the process as the governor. It’s almost enough to make you proud of our wonderful system.

I’ll be staying up to watch.

I stayed up for the referendum.

Trump 2016.

Actually, I probably should go to bed.

I stayed up for the referendum.

Trump 2016.

Actually, I probably should go to bed.

Me too. 😃

I’ll be doing an all-nighter; always do for the big votes – GE, brexit, US elections.
I cannot see trump conceding even if it’s a complete Biden landslide; he would choke on the words.
trump sees only two possible outcomes – he wins or the election is stolen from him.
If/when Biden wins the inauguration will be interesting; will trump co-operate in the transition, will be pass on attending, how poisonous will he be, will he set up his own tv station as rumoured?
How long will it be before the lawsuits start landing on his desk?

I’d love to see Joe win but I just have this nagging doubt which I hope is just a nag.

will he set up his own tv station as rumoured?

Considering all the debts trump has that are due not long after election & his tax data showing the Apprentice was the only thing he made a profit on, id say its a certainty!

Which means he’ll be obsessively slating Biden & the corrupt election that stole his presidency….

I’ll not be staying up, especially as it seems likely trump will drag out through the courts regardless, so it won’t be official for a week at least

Anyone planning an all-nighter?

You might be in for a pretty long binge if you are hoping to wait till a final result is confirmed.

Here’s a map based on Fivethirtyeight data. Any state within a 3 point margin is coded bronze. Trump is ahead in Texas by about 2 points, Biden is ahead in Arizona by about 3 points, so it wouldn’t be a big surprise if those states went either way. Problem is, Trump has to win every single bronze state, plus at least one blue state. Pennsylvania is closest, where Biden is ahead by 5 points. So, it’s not impossible that Trump scratches out a very close victory, but it’s much, much more likely that Biden wins by a fairly comfortable margin. It looks to be more likely that Biden wins Texas than Trump wins Pennsylvania, so a Biden landslide is more likely than a narrow Trump victory.

I can see trump setting up his own TV station, as a more swivel eyed version of Fox news. He ll make Alex Jones look like des lynam. He ll staff it full of his family members so you can look forward to Sunday morning breakfast show with Eric. And make up tips with Tiffany

He ll be able to meet his astronomic debts with merch sales. Seriously he ll coin it with so much tat sold to gullible fools

When Biden gets in I hope he unleashes the full weight of the law on Trump. Trump manicled and in an orange jumpsuit being being marched out of Trump Tower come next Friday. I’d stay up for that.

I remember when I woke up the next day thinking surely we’d be remaining in the EU to find that Brexit won, I can see somehow the same happening here. I hope trump gets massively embarrassed.

I quote “I’m not racist, look at the audience you can barely see them”!!!!!

The fact he still classes American citizens as colour disgusts me…

If you looked at the polls it would be very hard to tell when a massive global pandemic hit the country. I think this die was cast in 2017 but we just had to wait 3 years for the result (either result)

— Mark DeWitt (@maxhostile) October 31, 2020

What’s the point of this thread if in the first page it’s already the circle jerk that the Donald trump thread is….

My prediction is that Trump will step down in November, Pence becomes president and pardons Trump and all his motley crew, Biden takes over in January.

The Republican Party is hoping to build its ranks of Black lawmakers in the House, following the planned retirement of its sole current Black member.https://t.co/tfIlpef6av

— Capital Journal (@WSJPolitics) October 31, 2020

Was reading a very feasible thread on Reddit that explains how all the court packing, postal service meddling and general all round shithousery the republicans have been doing paves the way for a “legally sound” interpretation of a particular amendment that basically let’s Mike Pence decide who wins.

Comment from discussion cwmoo740’s comment from discussion "New Zealand announces official Travel Warning to New Zealanders in the United States due to the upcoming election and civil unrest".

What a surprise.  The US is fast becoming the very dictatorship it purports to defend against.

My prediction is that Trump will step down in November, Pence becomes president and pardons Trump and all his motley crew, Biden takes over in January.

A few people suggested that a couple of months back, but if it was going to happen, they would have used the cover of his Covid infection, so that’s out now. And I think Pence can only pardon him for federal offences anyway. The Independent has an interesting piece today wishing for a scenario that as Biden is sworn in, Trump gets arrested as he lands in Florida.

I can’t see the result being declared on the night. Which is a good thing. The last two big votes I’ve woken up to a result headlining the news were Brexit and Boris’s thumping majority, a third “WTAF” wake up would not be good.

I’ll be staying up for this. Been following it too closely not to see out the final few hours.

I reckon it’ll be pretty much done and dusted on the night. All the indicators (polls, very high turnout which always benefits the Dems) are pointing towards a convincing Biden victory.

Hopefully that’ll prove to be the case..

The real question if Boden wins is how long it will take to unravel various laws, puppet government employees and (the biggest task of all) create a more cohesive society in USA.

A question – is there a big silint majority in USA who are not so entrenched in two party politics and more about a better USA?

The way US politics works Biden will be able to replace almost all of the rotten wood pretty quickly. It will be interesting to see if he reinstates any of those fired or marginalised by Trump

A question – is there a big silint majority in USA who are not so entrenched in two party politics and more about a better USA?

If turnout figures are to be believed, that’s a possibility, and you have to hope that Trump’s legacy (if he loses), is to engage an awful lot of previously apathetic people with democracy for decades to come.

I feel bad for Americans.
The choices they’ve been given to vote for are a pervy old man with a dodgy family and declining faculties or another pervy old man with a dodgy family and declining faculties.
The Democrats learned nothing from 2016 and have picked a candidate from the same stock as Clinton and the like. Biden will probably win, but let’s not pretend he’s a good person to be president of the USA, he’s barely fit to conduct a TV interview.
Trump got in because he wasn’t Hillary, if Biden gets in, it will be because he isn’t Trump. Voting for someone because they’re not the person you hate is never a good position to be in.
Not to mention Harris and her ongoing mission to maintain the USA as the world’s greatest prison colony.

Please remember that whoever wins there are going to be a lot of scared, angry and confused Americans out there. Huge swathes of the population seem to actively fear the opposition. There are a lot of hard working people that actually think Trump has done them some good and whilst it’s easy for us to mock them, they live in very different circumstances to you or I.
So when hopefully Trump gets dragged from power, we should spare a thought for his supporters. They won’t all be the idiots that we see on the TV, many will be quietly worried everyday folk
If ever the opportunity arises then a kind word would be better than humiliation. I’ve found that when you actually talk to someone, even if you have wildly different views, common values can usually be found and some kind of friendship can be struck up.
The internet is awash with hurtful messages, the dream of unifying the world is instead assisting in its fracturing. Maybe we should do something about it and reach out to those we don’t understand.

The Democrats learned nothing from 2016 and have picked a candidate from the same stock as Clinton and the like.

No they did learn. They learned that America isn’t really ready for change, and you need something familiar to get the millions of incredibly conservative people on board. Hence old white man candidate.

even if you have wildly different views, common values can usually be found and some kind of friendship can be struck up.

This. Don’t be like the internet.

Some quality but plausible doom mongering on that thread.

The possibility for civil conflifct (not sure I’m going to go so far as to say war) is quite strong. If Trump tries to use the military that will be the big one as there’ll be pro-Trump and rationalists all the way through the forces from top to bottom.

There’s already plenty of civil conflict going on, not much of it from Trump supporters.

I’m not super worried about conflict if Trump loses, there’ll be a lot of shouting and protesting and the odd incident, but it’ll fizzle out.

I’m more worried about violence if Trump wins.

Getting nasty in NC.

WHEN do we see that pepper spraying people have consequences for the law enforcement?

WHEN!?!?!?

If a black man would have done this, he wouldn't be alive right now.#BLM https://t.co/6G9Y3mKul9

— DoTheRightThing (@AllHumanREqual) October 31, 2020

Trouble in Texas

President Trump endorses attempted vehicular homicide https://t.co/CxNcu2WgnR

— David Frum (@davidfrum) November 1, 2020

Texas Republicans have asked a federal judge to throw out 100,000 ballots in Harris County cast through curbside voting. They drew Judge Andrew Hanen, one of the most notoriously partisan Republican judges in the entire federal judiciary. This is alarming. https://t.co/VODOZrCoUF

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) October 31, 2020

Among these new voters:

A 47-year-old Florida independent who didn't vote in 2016 because she thought both Hillary and Trump were bad

A 73-year-old Pennsylvanian who has never voted in his life but now calls Trump "the worst president we ever had"https://t.co/VSHH6jSqkN pic.twitter.com/vM1LomeNzP

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) November 1, 2020

I’ve got the dubious pleasure of being on a night shift, so I’ll get to watch a fair bit of it. I’m very pessimistic about this one. Every time I’ve had any sort of optimism the outcome has been awful. The future’s bleak. The future’s orange.

I still hope to be wrong, and that the predictions above, and in the main thread come to fruition.

Bookies offering 50/1 for a Trump win. Probably worth a tenner on that for all you pessimists!

Bookies offering 50/1 for a Trump win. Probably worth a tenner on that for all you pessimists!

Unfortunately this is just an eye catching headline to get you to join the betting site, think you can only bet £1 max and the winnings are paid as free bets.
I’ve got £20 on Trump which will net me £40, if his odds get longer over the next couple of days I’ll be increasing my stake. Obviously I hope he loses but I think its going to be close and he’s already laid the groundwork to steal this if there’s any ambiguity.

Unfortunately this is just an eye catching headline to get you to join the betting site, think you can only bet £1 max and the winnings are paid as free bets.

Ah, see this is why I don’t bet, I’m too naive and gullible.. or am I too cynical? Both maybe!

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/fox-news-tucker-carlson-mocked-for-lost-in-the-mail-biden-documents-claim

Well the good news is that the documents that prove Biden’s guilt beyond doubt have been found. Thank god, the public have a right to know!

Though, the fact that this happened on Thursday and we have yet to see them almost makes me suspicious that no such evidence ever existed and that it was all just a play for time from some pretty desperate people after their half-arsed laptop scam failed miserably..

Though, the fact that this happened on Thursday and we have yet to see them almost makes me suspicious that no such evidence ever existed and that it was all just a play for time from some pretty desperate people after their half-arsed laptop scam failed miserably..

Tucker’s team actually gave evidence in court that his programme shouldn’t be thought of as presenting ‘actual facts’, but instead ‘engaging in exaggeration’.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye?t=1604238223772