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  • U.S. Presidential Election 2020
  • Premier Icon Houns
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    He’ll go for a last minute self pardon, it’ll be the last thing he does as a president, timed perfectly to try and distract news coverage from Biden being sworn in

    Premier Icon Klunk
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    He’ll go for a last minute self pardon

    he probably can’t afford it.

    Premier Icon scuttler
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    Ep. 4 of the excellent Trump Show entitled ‘Downfall’

    The Trump Show, Downfall: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p093rzhd via @bbciplayer

    Premier Icon p7eaven
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    Was expecting rent a rant anytime now! (8/10 – mostly for ‘lame duck a l’orange’) 🤣

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    The prime suspects are probably tying themselves in knots, wondering wether to ask for a pardon or not. Wondering what charges may or may not be coming.

    The catch with a pardon this late in the day is theres more to the process than the President announcing the pardon – until the process has been enacted and finalised ‘The President’ can change his mind and retract it Today the president is Trump, tomorrow its Biden – it can be a different president that revokes the pardon if it hasn’t yet been enacted.

    So a pardon is potentially worthless – however you can’t pardon someone who’s innocent. Giving pre-emptive pardons out this late in the day basically attributes guilt to them moments before the protection the pardon was supposed to offer gets taken away.

    A pre-emptive pardon can pre-empt a conviction and be issued before or even during a prosecution. They would be issued in circumstances where a trial and conviction would inevitably be followed by a pardon but they don’t contest the outcome of that trial – the pardon doesn’t overturn guilt it just overturns or reduces the sentence served by the guilty.  It can’t pre-empt a ‘crime yet to be committed’ or a charge or prosecution yet to be made – so a pardon in itself reveals a ‘Crime against the United States’ has been committed by that person – as those are the only kinds of crime a President can pardon.

    Premier Icon p7eaven
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    Don’t forget, Trump is a spoiled manbaby. As such, he knows that ‘a pardon’ is the grownup word for a ‘bottom-burp’

    Appellant: ‘President Trump Sir, have you thought about issuing a pardon?’

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    If he is dumb enough to attempt a self-pardon that will go straight to the courts.

    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    Isn’t trump pardoning himself late on just tee-ing up Biden to tear it up, thus giving him more ammo to feed to the baying hoards?

    Premier Icon Neb
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    It was reported that he would charge $2m for a pardon… I expect that’s why he’s planning to issue loads of them.

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    Neb, the reporting was that some of those seeking pardons were offering chunky payments to lobbyists – not to trump.
    Journos and various Dems will undoubtedly be looking for evidence of any payments getting to trump or close associates as that would be another legal stick to beat him with.

    Premier Icon dantsw13
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    Trump won’t pardon anybody close accused of misdeeds, as it points to his own associated guilt. he will hang the world out to dry to defend himself.

    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    Won’t his argument be ‘I have to Pardon myself/those close to me to to protect me/them from the radical left issuing bogus charges, in order to bankrupt me/them’?

    Premier Icon markgraylish
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    So, he’s pardoning Steve Bannon eh!
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/politics/steve-bannon-pardoned-by-trump/index.html

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    So, he’s pardoning Steve Bannon eh!

    The list of pardons is an interesting read – for each one issued theres a dialogue with things like who has supported or reccommended the pardon – details of the crime pardoned, the remorse shown. exemplary behaviour since the event, the efforts made to turn their life around, good deeds done.  Theres the odd amusing one – “a guy done a crime but it was like ages ago and is no an OK kinda a guy and if he gets a pardon then he can buy a gun”

    But Steve Bannon’s is just “he’s been investigated for some fraud stuff – he’s a conservative’

    Premier Icon bruneep
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    Stephen K. Bannon – President Trump granted a full pardon to Stephen Bannon. Prosecutors pursued Mr. Bannon with charges related to fraud stemming from his involvement in a political project. Mr. Bannon has been an important leader in the conservative movement and is known for his political acumen.

    How can you be pardoned for a crime you haven’t been convicted of? 🤔

    Premier Icon mudeverywhere
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    Didn’t recognise many names there, although Michael Ashley sounds familiar? 🤔

    Premier Icon MSP
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    Pardoning rappers to show he is down with the black community and BLM is just fake mews.

    Premier Icon richmars
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    Steven Samuel Grantham – He now seeks a pardon for forgiveness and to restore his gun rights.

    At least he’s honest about it!

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    Didn’t recognise many names there, although Michael Ashley sounds familiar?

    Mainly corrupt state and local politicians, by the looks of it. Tiger King seems to have missed the last limo to Pardonpalooza though.

    Premier Icon nickc
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    the ball is in the corridor of uncertainty.

    this deserves greater appreciation than it received. I’m storing this for deployment in dull meetings.

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    How can you be pardoned for a crime you haven’t been convicted of? 🤔

    Well, it leaves Bannon in the position of implied guilt, and I think removes his right to silence if asked to give evidence?

    Which could be interesting in an investigation into Trump himself? (Leaving aside Bannon would just lie)

    Premier Icon dantsw13
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    I don’t think Bannon holds any loyalty to Trump. He saw him as a useful idiot. In many ways I think Bannon would love to be the man who’s evidence convicted Trump.

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    Premier Icon akira
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    Also didn’t someone say he was charging for a pardon? Not sure how accurate this is, or even if it’s legal but if true it would explain why he was firing out so many pardons.

    Premier Icon MSP
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    would explain why he was firing out so many pardons.

    I don’t think that he has upped the game for numbers of pardons issued, just for pardons of close friends and allies. And even then a few previous presidents have issued a few dodgy pardons for friends and allies, Trump has just expanded that sector.

    Premier Icon grum
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    TBF there are a lot of pardons in there for non-violent marijuana offences etc that have received some incredibly long sentences.

    Premier Icon thols2
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    https://www.thoughtco.com/number-of-pardons-by-president-3367600

    Presidential Pardons Through the Years
    President Years in Office Pardons
    Franklin D. Roosevelt 1933-1945 2,819
    Harry S. Truman 1945-1953 1,913
    Dwight D. Eisenhower 1953-1961 1,110
    Woodrow Wilson 1913-1921 1,087
    Lyndon B. Johnson 1963-1969 960
    Richard Nixon 1969-1974 863
    Calvin Coolidge 1923-1929 773
    Herbert Hoover 1929-1933 672
    Theodore Roosevelt 1901-1909 668
    Jimmy Carter 1977-1981 534
    John F. Kennedy 1961-1963 472
    Bill Clinton 1993-2001 396
    Ronald Reagan 1981-1989 393
    William H. Taft 1909-1913 383
    Gerald Ford 1974-1977 382
    Warren G. Harding 1921-1923 383
    William McKinley 1897-1901 291
    Barack Obama 2009-2017 212
    George W. Bush 2001-2009 189
    George H.W. Bush 1989-1993 74
    Donald J. Trump 2017-2021 70*

    Premier Icon Klunk
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    it’s always worth seeing Mr Pies analysis in print form 😀

    Trump is nothing more than a brattish, sub-literate, braggart, ill-informed privileged, self-righteous, entitled, Mummy’s boy. He is a gurning slug who mistakes brash for charisma who thinks popularity matters more than integrity, that diplomacy has no place in politics. A bloated, incandescent lobotomised sexual predator. A paranoid and supremely unqualified demagogue. A massive 70 year old cheese puff Wotsit with tiny wandering hands. An arrogant ill-informed, oversized Oompa Loompa. A whinging, braying, misogynistic know nothing. A ****-headed egomaniac with a skull full of fetid shit.

    Premier Icon leffeboy
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    Concise. I like it

    Premier Icon myopic
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    90% of that could equally apply to Bojo

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Quite the rallying cry from Bernie here. If only we had someone like him in the UK.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/20/joe-biden-action-bernie-sanders

    Premier Icon thols2
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    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    Boarded AF1 to ‘YMCA’, for it to take off to ‘My Way’

    Real classy like.

    Premier Icon whitestone
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    The bawbag has left the building!

    Premier Icon mrmonkfinger
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    A massive 70 year old cheese puff Wotsit with tiny wandering hands.

    Around this point I lost my coffee.

    Premier Icon Jamze
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    Does anyone know the significance of the US flag with vertical stripes? They have one in the field of flags. A mixture of stuff on Google, peacetime flag?

    Premier Icon ads678
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    US flag with vertical stripes?

    Chinese knock off?

    Premier Icon grum
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    This idea of a civil or peacetime United States flag, such as the one your neighbor is flying, is pretty much an urban myth. It also seems to be a favorite of various conspiracy or anti-tax groups.

    Here’s the deal: In 1799 the U.S. Treasury Department had something called the Revenue Cutter Service, charged with enforcing custom rules and stopping smugglers. It was the forerunner of today’s Coast Guard.

    Congress authorized the service to fly a flag of 16 vertical red and white stripes. Sixteen stripes because there were 16 states at the time. The idea was to distinguish customers-enforcement ships from military ships. That’s where people today somehow got the idea there is an official civil flag separate from the military Stars and Stripes.

    There were a couple different versions of the first customs flag, mostly involving the arrangements of an eagle and stars. Of course, there were also various versions of the U.S. flag until the design we use today (plus two more stars) was specified by executive order in 1912.

    And something very similar to that original Revenue Cutter Service Ensign is used today by the U.S. Coast Guard.

    https://eu.azcentral.com/story/claythompson/2014/11/26/flag-america-coast-guard-stars-and-stripes/19542479/

    Premier Icon imnotverygood
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    Quite the rallying cry from Bernie here. If only we had someone like him in the UK.

    Dunno. I can’t help thinking that if he believes that is what is best for his country, perhaps he should have got himself elected.

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