Too good to be true: Issues with new (used) car

[nickfrog]

nickfrog

Kia and Hyundai are great until you need a spare part then you are likely to be waiting for a ship to bring it ,

Are you sure they haven’t worked out the need for a global logistics operation yet as a major global brand? Besides, the majority of the cars are made in Eastern Europe anyway using the same suppliers as other global brands. No need for a ship.

My FIL’s year old Hyundai has been off the road since December waiting a part needed for repairs after somebody crashed into it. It’s predicted to arrive sometime next month.

[nickfrog]

Kia and Hyundai are great until you need a spare part then you are likely to be waiting for a ship to bring it ,

Are you sure they haven’t worked out the need for a global logistics operation yet as a major global brand? Besides, the majority of the cars are made in Eastern Europe anyway using the same suppliers as other global brands. No need for a ship.

When they told me it would be weeks waiting for a part I thought either it’s a rare problem and no-one stocks the part; or it’s a really common problem and the parts are all sold out. I didn’t think of the third possibility which is that Hyundai’s parts supply chain is crap.

From the BMW i4 Facebook group I’m a member of plenty of people there are waiting for months for parts to repair various things – some warranty issues some just breakages.  I had to wait about 3 weeks for some door handle parts to replace bits that a hamfisted tech broke whilst replacing a door central locking module that failed post PDI but before delivery to me (module took a week to arrive) Basically parts are in short supply – not just Far Eastern brands

Ok they manufacture in Turkey and Czech Republic-  so why has parts supply been a reoccurring theme ?  Let’s be fair you are far less likely to need spares in normal operation than many other brands , perhaps that’s the price you pay – a brand that needs spares frequently creates its own spares ecosystem , the downside of reliability if it happens it’s an exception.

didn’t think of the third possibility which is that Hyundai’s parts supply chain is crap.

Amongst many issues Spares supply was a recurring issue with my 2000lantra piece of crap from new.

You’d think they would have worked it out you need many spares of the bits that probably should not break in stock…..

Re car choice, an Avensis estate is probably the single best car available if you value what matters about a car – reliability etc.  there is a good reason why a lot of taxis use them. Exiting in any way shape or form they are not mind.

If you want a reliable car that is less likely (but of course never guaranteed) not to be a money pit just check out what cars of the appropriate vintage are most popular with taxi drivers and then go with the most suitable or appealing model from that shortlist.

When they told me it would be weeks waiting for a part I thought either it’s a rare problem and no-one stocks the part; or it’s a really common problem and the parts are all sold out. I didn’t think of the third possibility which is that Hyundai’s parts supply chain is crap.

Honestly, I think it’s a wider problem than any of that.

There’s brexit of course. There’s the small matter of one of the primary manufacturers of wiring being Ukraine and they’re a little busy right now. Every other week there’s a global shortage of something and it only takes one component, back when I bought my Mondeo circa 2008 there was a delay of several months because they’d run out of steering wheels.

I knew it must be Brexit again.

Making cars is a global business. Irrelevant whether a brand is Korean or German. If its supply chain is crap then there will be shortages. In fact, even if isn’t there may still be some. Anecdotal evidence is not conclusive.

To add to the Avensis the Corolla estate and clone Suzuki Swace are also pretty decent.

“Are you sure? I thought they went their own way a long time ago. And even then, what’s wrong with the petrol Mazda engines? Nothing hilarious at all either way.”

Yeah I can’t see a Ford reference for the third gen. I’m not particularly bothered, they at least didn’t ruin it unlike Jaguars efforts with the X Type. My point about the engines was in relation to the diesels, I wouldn’t have a Skyactiv if you paid me. Japanese makers haven’t had much luck with diesels, 1st gen Honda N22s ate big ends and the less said about Subaru Boxers the better. Last I looked Toyota were using BMW diesels but that was the Avensis about 5 years ago.

“Don’t go near a Ford 1.5 Ecoboost the engines don’t last very long”

Mine is nearing 60k, doing just fine.

“The old PSA 1.6 DV6 engine was pretty reliable until the dpf was added, after that the turbo oil starvation problems started.”

Is that the one with the oil pickup running through the centre of the block that gums up and causes galling on the cams?

I knew it must be Brexit again.

You won, get over it.

Manufacturer approved Hyundai i30?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403087346549

not the fastest thing in the world, but decent sized boot and economical.

Is that the one with the oil pickup running through the centre of the block that gums up and causes galling on the cams?

Don’t think the oil channel runs up the centre of the block, nope. DV6s found their way into Fords, Minis, Berlingos, Volvos, Suzukis and Mazdas. Getting old now, mine’s on 117,000. I took the sump off a few years back to check/clean the mesh filter in the pick-up and change the filter in the banjo bolt in the turbo oil feed pipe just in case. Mine were actually ok, though the bottom of the sump was pretty sticky. The DV6 has a reputation for gumming up that filter and then the turbo overheats and blows, sending chunks of turbo into the cylinders

Honda 1.6 diesel is a superb engine.

“Ok they manufacture in Turkey and Czech Republic-  so why has parts supply been a reoccurring theme ?”

Maybe they’re importing raw materials or semi finished parts from China? Sea freight timing has increased by 2-3 weeks, obviously longer routes but also port congestion. Car production is also running on JIT, so a choice between production allocation and spares/service has a clear financial balance.